880 release date. Thoughts?

[HouseOfGaming]

When do you guybut I can wats think Nvidias new flagship card wil be out. I am going to build a pc soon and Its either 880 or 780ti, but I can wait til June for the 880

[Fred Janssen]

as it stands now.... prolly end of this year or Q1 of 2015..., something about the chip manufacturer having problems with the 20nm GPu versions (not the CPu 20nm)

[Prokart2000]

well im guessing the flagshop will be the 880ti

[SAV1OUR]

well im guessing the flagshop will be the 880ti

unlikely this was the first generation to have a X80 gpu with a to boost on it

[Mitrailleuse]

maxwell will come Q2 2015.

[Paralectic]

maxwell will come Q2 2015.

Source?

[ragedev]

unlikely this was the first generation to have a X80 gpu with a to boost on it

Yes, unless NVIDIA finds that their 880s can perform a lot better and add another higher binning option such as an 880Ti

[isteelsolz]

If they do end up releasing the 800 series this year, it will be maxwell based on 28nm, same as keplar, not 20nm

[creativename]

maxwell will come Q2 2015.

maxwell is already here.... gtx750ti gtx750.

[SAV1OUR]

Yes, unless NVIDIA finds that their 880s can perform a lot better and add another higher binning option such as an 880Ti

your talking about nvidia here nvidias well you know they dont like doing logical stuff look at the titan z

[One Who Craves Souls]

Ok, you sir are exactly in the same boat I am, I plan to do a build around June(after Computex) with a 780Ti. Here's my opinion to which I consider the most neutral you can find. I'm gonna resume for you what people will tell you on this forum.
 
"Dates on 880", "problems with the chips", "Nvidia simply milking the 700 series because they have no reason to release a 880 yet", "it's too early", "it's gonna be 28nm not 20nm anymore" or "Nvidia's making a spaceship instead". 
 
ALL RUMORS, no one, absolutely NO ONE on this forum or other forum knows or can tell you the truth. All the articles are based on others forum conversations on rumors. What I'm going to recommend you to do is what I'm gonna do. Don't wait for anything unless officially confirmed by Nvidia itself, build your summer build with whatever it's out by that date.

[Mitrailleuse]

Source?

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/200061/nvidia-gm204-and-gm206-to-tape-out-in-april-products-to-launch-in-q4.html

to be precise 

 

 

For that, it has to be based on the 20 nm process. It will tape-out in June 2014, and products based on it will launch only in or after Q2 2015.

maxwell is already here.... gtx750ti gtx750.

I'm talking about 20nm maxwell,not this pathetic 28nm.

[HouseOfGaming]

Ok, you sir are exactly in the same boat I am, I plan to do a build around June(after Computex) with a 780Ti. Here's my opinion to which I consider the most neutral you can find. I'm gonna resume for you what people will tell you on this forum.

 

"Dates on 880", "problems with the chips", "Nvidia simply milking the 700 series because they have no reason to release a 880 yet", "it's too early", "it's gonna be 28nm not 20nm anymore" or "Nvidia's making a spaceship instead". 

 

ALL RUMORS, no one, absolutely NO ONE on this forum or other forum knows or can tell you the truth. All the articles are based on others forum conversations on rumors. What I'm going to recommend you to do is what I'm gonna do. Don't wait for anything unless officially confirmed by Nvidia itself, build your summer build with whatever it's out by that date.

Thank you my fine gentelman of a friend you actually helped clear that up. I hope they are making a spaceship though.

[GuideMe002]

maxwell will come Q2 2015.

this is crazy. im waiting for maxwell card

i really really need it as soon as possible.

if this is true i would go for 780ti next month

[One Who Craves Souls]

this is crazy. im waiting for maxwell card

i really really need it as soon as possible.

if this is true i would go for 780ti next month

Read the entire thread. 

[ericlee30]

To far to think about now, but I'm hoping some time in early to mid 2015, need to finally change out my tri-7950's for tri-GTX880's or 880ti's

[GuideMe002]

Read the entire thread. 

Done

i just reacted on what Mitrailleuse said a while a go. 

[One Who Craves Souls]

To far to think about now, but I'm hoping some time in early to mid 2015, need to finally change out my tri-7950's for tri-GTX880's or 880ti's

3? oh my  :huh:

[kungfury7]

Man, i'm so confused about this shit. Is there any piece of info solid at all? Whether it is TSMC unable to produce 20nm, NVIDIA not releasing any cards sooner than December 2014? Or everything is just rumored extrapolated from other websites?

[BrightCandle]

There are two ways to look at how to buy PC components. You can either buy ignoring the silicon process cycle and buy new cards either when they are released or when they get cheap. Or alternatively you buy cards when the silicon process changes and new cards are available on it. Most of the extra performance comes from the silicon process, so that is the only real way that progress is made, but they can tweak designs based on what games actually use for refreshes. Historically there has been a 2 year long cycle for GPUs, they release a card on the new process then refresh it a year later. Then the next card will be on a new silicon process and so it goes. Refreshes typically bring 20% or so performance, new silicon process cards more like 100% or more.

 

So where are we in that cycle now? Well both AMD and Nvidia released refresh cards last year, 28nm 200 series from AMD and 700 series from NVidia are both refresh cards, Nvidia's was nearly a year ago. Is 20nm ready? We don't know and from various rumours it doesn't look like it is, but at the same time now is about the worst time to buy a new GPU, its end of life cycle for a refresh card just before a new design and new silicon comes out. Practically your new GPU should be bought when they release them, or you just buy a discounted refresh card now and not worry about it, all depends how much you care about the performance really.

[One Who Craves Souls]

Man, i'm so confused about this shit. Is there any piece of info solid at all? Whether it is TSMC unable to produce 20nm, NVIDIA not releasing any cards sooner than December 2014? Or everything is just rumored extrapolated from other websites?

If you search long enough the "sources" people have, is articles based on another articles based on another forums like this one were people are guessing. I'm not saying that 20nm(or 28nm)cards are coming soon or that they're delayed, I'm just telling the actual truth, which is that nobody knows really. 

 

Rumors goes from terrible news to good news, like "TSMC had already started the mass-produced 20nm process months ago".

 

Honestly, all this is very much complicated than it looks like, there are marketing strategies that Nvidia only knows. A big company like Nvidia had this all planned years ago(be 20nm or 28nm), when they release a new gen of cards they're already working on the next. 

 

This is why both "bad" rumors and "good" rumors are bull shit in my opinion, Nvidia will release their cards whenever they see fit for their marketing purpose. Not when a couple of guys on a forum will say.

 

Just to clear up a bit more, both Nvidia's roadmaps from last year and this year show Maxwell exactly in the same spot.

 

Last year roadmap

 

New roadmad

 

If I were to take this info from Nvidia itself like a hint, I'd assume that they have no problems with Maxwell whatsoever and they're gonna release their high end cards by Q3-Q4 this year. But again that's all rumors, you can interpret that info however you want, Nvidia will release it whenever they want.

 

My recommendation? enjoy the present and ignore all the rumors. 

[kungfury7]

If you search long enough the "sources" people have, is articles based on another articles based on another forums like this one were people are guessing. I'm not saying that 20nm(or 28nm)cards are coming soon or that they're delayed, I'm just telling the actual truth, which is that nobody knows really. 

 

Rumors goes from terrible news to good news, like "TSMC had already started the mass-produced 20nm process months ago".

 

Honestly, all this is very much complicated than it looks like, there are marketing strategies that Nvidia only knows. A big company like Nvidia had this all planned years ago(be 20nm or 28nm), when they release a new gen of cards they're already working on the next. 

 

This is why both "bad" rumors and "good" rumors are bull shit in my opinion, Nvidia will release their cards whenever they see fit for their marketing purpose. Not when a couple of guys on a forum will say.

 

Just to clear up a bit more, both Nvidia's roadmaps from last year and this year show Maxwell exactly in the same spot.

 

Last year roadmap

 

New roadmad

 

If I were to take this info from Nvidia itself like a hint, I'd assume that they have no problems with Maxwell whatsoever and they're gonna release their high end cards by Q3-Q4 this year. But again that's all rumors, you can interpret that info however you want, Nvidia will release it whenever they want.

 

My recommendation? enjoy the present and ignore all the rumors. 

 

Can I trust this road map ? As it is the single info that is officially released by Nvidia, have they always stayed true to their statements?

[One Who Craves Souls]

Can I trust this road map ? As it is the single info that is officially released by Nvidia, have they always stayed true to their statements?

Trust it? the only thing in life that it's certain is death itself. So, Yes & No.

 

No because all we have is the word Maxwell near the possible end of 2014 in that picture, because they're not that revealing, it's vague to start with anyways. 

 

Yes because if there is a chance in plans again, Nvidia(possibly) would've updated the roadmap like they do, as seen in their old kepler roadmap..

 

Conclussion: More rumors, Nvidia will do as it pleases.

[BrightCandle]

TSMC made a press release in January that 20nm was in mass production, what that precisely means is well up to debate especially considering statements from all the companies involved over time. Nvidia has obviously put out slides with release estimates at various points and we don't have a revision showing anything but this year. Most of everything else was based on AMDs statements that they were not releasing 20nm this year, the assumption therefore is that its not ready and Nvidia wont be either.

 

Who knows what is going to happen, whether its H2 this year or H1 2015 the cycle will basically hold for now, 20nm is a process that can produce silicon, it will be mass production. Like I said before it all depends on your perspective, are you buying cards because your upgrading the PC and your doing it all or are you following the progress of silicon products in general and upgrading each piece when it makes sense?