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so basically my GPU died but thankfully I found an old GPU that is probably hot garbage but ay at least it works. Also my mobo has some onboard graphics so I wanted to ask which is better to use temporarily. The physical GPU nVidia GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB or the onboard graphics on gigabyte GA 78LMT s2 . Rly old stuff I know but pls help 

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Both are terrible and basically e-waste, but the 9800 GTX+ is probably better than the on board. 

 

Unless you own the 9800 GTX+ though, I'd just run the on board and save your money for something that is actually worth buying. I

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13 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Both are terrible and basically e-waste, but the 9800 GTX+ is probably better than the on board. 

 

Unless you own the 9800 GTX+ though, I'd just run the on board and save your money for something that is actually worth buying. I

I own it

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1 minute ago, yagamilight said:

I own it

If you own it, you might as well try them both and see which is faster, though the 9800 GTX+ is likely the faster card.

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2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

If you own it, you might as well try them both and see which is faster, though the 9800 GTX+ is likely the faster card.

man also 1 more question if u know. does cleaning dust from a GPU ever fix it? Its not completly dead it can boot and I can use windows but there are lines on screen, not a lot but noticable.

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4 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

man also 1 more question if u know. does cleaning dust from a GPU ever fix it? Its not completly dead it can boot and I can use windows but there are lines on screen, not a lot but noticable.

I have seen weirder stuff fix cards, if there happens to be a metal flake in the dust caked onto the card it could be shorting something out causing it to have issues, but it's not something that I would count on. IIRC the card you had die was a GTX 770, that's a 9 year old card. Average life expectancy for a GPU is roughly 5-7 years depending on the actual card design, it was bound to happen some time.

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3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I have seen weirder stuff fix cards, if there happens to be a metal flake in the dust caked onto the card it could be shorting something out causing it to have issues, but it's not something that I would count on. IIRC the card you had die was a GTX 770, that's a 9 year old card. Average life expectancy for a GPU is roughly 5-7 years depending on the actual card design, it was bound to happen some time.

yea but whats the life expectancy for 9800 then? cuz it works like brand new and it doesnt make sense if its like that because the gtx 770 is still newer. Maybe just luck? I have no idea about gpus so you are probably right

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1 minute ago, yagamilight said:

Maybe just luck?

Probably, either that or it's lived a much more pleasant life, wasn't used that much or something along those lines

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13 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Probably, either that or it's lived a much more pleasant life, wasn't used that much or something along those lines

1 more question bro I am so sorry for bothering you but you seem so nice so I know u won't mind. So keeping in mind that my GPU is usable but it shows some lines on screen and cant be used to play games or install drivers, can using it with those problems for basic stuff like spotify or chrome cause more damage to it?

Below is an image attached with an example of the "lines" I mention.

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The video card is a 9800GT not GTX. 

The onboard graphics is ATI radeon HD 3000 (very poor for anything modern - might be ok at 720P)

The lines on the screen could be a bad cable. Try a different one, if they are still there, the GPU (9800GT) Vmem is probably toast.

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2 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

can using it with those problems for basic stuff like spotify or chrome cause more damage to it?

Maybe? I wouldn't worry about it though. The card is dead anyway, if it can't install drivers, there's not really a way to bring that back. If it damages it more, it's already dead, what's the harm in that? The only things that could be damaged further are the GPU core or memory chips, none of which are useful for people using the card for parts. 

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Just now, Guest 5150 said:

The video card is a 9800GT not GTX. 

The onboard graphics is ATI radeon HD 3000 (very poor for anything modern - might be ok at 720P)

The lines on the screen could be a bad cable. Try a different one, if they are still there, the GPU (9800GT) Vmem is probably toast.

I don't know if you understood, the GPU that I am currently using is the half broken gtx 770 and I am asking if I can damage it more by using it more, In the picture above the GTX 770 is shown not the old 9800

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3 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

I don't know if you understood, the GPU that I am currently using is the half broken gtx 770 and I am asking if I can damage it more by using it more, In the picture above the GTX 770 is shown not the old 9800

I missed the part about the GTX 770. Sry for that.

 

Yes using the damaged card won't make it better, it'll probably get worse. 

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50 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Maybe? I wouldn't worry about it though. The card is dead anyway, if it can't install drivers, there's not really a way to bring that back. If it damages it more, it's already dead, what's the harm in that? The only things that could be damaged further are the GPU core or memory chips, none of which are useful for people using the card for parts. 

wait so ur saying because it can't install drivers that means that  there is not a chance that cleaning it deeply will fix it?

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9 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

wait so ur saying because it can't install drivers that means that  there is not a chance that cleaning it deeply will fix it?

I mean, anything is possible, but no, the odds of a deep cleaning fixing it are incredibly low. I'd consider the card a write off at this point.

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41 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I mean, anything is possible, but no, the odds of a deep cleaning fixing it are incredibly low. I'd consider the card a write off at this point.

damn bro but before u said it can be fixed why u change your mind so fast

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Just now, yagamilight said:

damn bro but before u said it can be fixed why u change your mind so fast

I said it's unlikely to fix it in the first place. Plus, if a driver doesn't install and there's artifacting, the core is likely dead. and a a metal flake would not count that. I'm not saying don't try it, it's not that hard to clean a GPU, but don't expect it to do anything, and I would be kinda surprised if it did. 

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31 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I said it's unlikely to fix it in the first place. Plus, if a driver doesn't install and there's artifacting, the core is likely dead. and a a metal flake would not count that. I'm not saying don't try it, it's not that hard to clean a GPU, but don't expect it to do anything, and I would be kinda surprised if it did. 

alright ill mention u here if it does xd

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32 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I said it's unlikely to fix it in the first place. Plus, if a driver doesn't install and there's artifacting, the core is likely dead. and a a metal flake would not count that. I'm not saying don't try it, it's not that hard to clean a GPU, but don't expect it to do anything, and I would be kinda surprised if it did. 

1 more question i swear bro Im gonna stop being annoying. When I'm cleaning the GPU do i have to change the thermal paste or can i just reuse the old one? Also I saw some ppl put some stuff on the edges of the chip, idk where to buy that stuff seems hard to get. Also is the thermal paste the same as the one you would use for CPUs

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2 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

1 more question i swear bro Im gonna stop being annoying. When I'm cleaning the GPU do i have to change the thermal paste or can i just reuse the old one? Also I saw some ppl put some stuff on the edges of the chip, idk where to buy that stuff seems hard to get. Also is the thermal paste the same as the one you would use for CPUs

Depends on how old the thermal paste application is, but if it's over a month or two old I would replace it. 

 

Yeah, it's the same stuff that you use for a CPU, you just need to make sure that you've got a paste that's non-conductive (most are, there's just a couple very low end and very high end pastes that are).

 

For applying the paste you just need to make sure the entire die is covered, erring on the side of more paste than less. 

 

What did you see people applying to the edge of a GPU? I've repasted many a GPU and all I've ever applied was thermal paste.

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8 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Depends on how old the thermal paste application is, but if it's over a month or two old I would replace it. 

 

Yeah, it's the same stuff that you use for a CPU, you just need to make sure that you've got a paste that's non-conductive (most are, there's just a couple very low end and very high end pastes that are).

 

For applying the paste you just need to make sure the entire die is covered, erring on the side of more paste than less. 

 

What did you see people applying to the edge of a GPU? I've repasted many a GPU and all I've ever applied was thermal paste.

they apply it to the edges of the chips, it's called "liquid soldering flux" they apply it if it's a gpu that is malfunctioning like mine is, it helps the solder flow, he also uses a heat gun I think over it. Maybe that's too complex to do.

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Just now, yagamilight said:

they apply it to the edges of the chips, it's called "liquid soldering flux" they apply it if it's a gpu that is malfunctioning like mine is, it helps the solder flow, he also uses a heat gun I think over it. Maybe that's too complex to do.

Oh, so you're talking about reflowing the solder on the core. That's not impossible to do. The problem is if that does resurrect the card, it won't resurrect it for long, maybe a month or two at most. If you have to use that, your card is on borrowed time. 

 

This is basically what the oven trick does, it's just that the oven trick is less directed. 

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5 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Oh, so you're talking about reflowing the solder on the core. That's not impossible to do. The problem is if that does resurrect the card, it won't resurrect it for long, maybe a month or two at most. If you have to use that, your card is on borrowed time. 

 

This is basically what the oven trick does, it's just that the oven trick is less directed. 

if I reapply the soldering flux in 2 months will it work for another 2 months??? Am I a genius? Probably not HAHHAHA

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6 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

if I reapply the soldering flux in 2 months will it work for another 2 months??? Am I a genius? Probably not HAHHAHA

It's hit or miss on the second time. Sometimes it comes back, sometimes it doesn't.

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14 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

It's hit or miss on the second time. Sometimes it comes back, sometimes it doesn't.

I'm about to clean it, if I don't have compressed air can I just use cloth and a toothbrush to try and clean it?