Programming Build

[rpkak]

Budget (including currency): 1300€ (if the best price-performance ratio is up to 200€ higher, it's not too bad)

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:

I want to use the computer for software development and basic office work.

I will use Arch Linux, so I would prefer a GPU from AMD (and intel) over Nvidia GPU.

The things I need and which concern the hardware the most, are I think compiling (I don't need something, which can compile the Linux kernel in two minutes, but with my old laptop compiling tensorflow took a hole night) and Vulkan development (GPU should be future prove, but does not have to be very fast).

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

I had a laptop before, which was just too slow (too old).

I got an old PC (image), but because it is so old, I will probably only use the case and one fan of it. I don't know what case it is, but I'm pretty sure it is an ATX case.

No peripherals needed.

The PC should be future proof (usable as long as possible, upgradable in the futute)

 

I, as a beginner in hardware PC stuff, have put together some stuff from pcpartpicker together:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TFPw3y

 

What do you think about it?

What can should I choose to make it better?

What would you choose?

[Pixelfie]

I'm not sure how good the airflow of that case is, so I also included a new case if you want that.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€361.90 @ Alza) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€76.57 @ Galaxus) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660M GAMING X DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€141.89 @ Alternate) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€114.89 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Crucial P2 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€82.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Fighter Video Card  (€327.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€109.22 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€76.30 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1291.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-12 18:17 CEST+0200

[brob]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700F 2.1 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€338.90 @ Alza) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler  (€39.98 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€161.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€114.89 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€133.90 @ Galaxus) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 8 GB MECH 2X Video Card  (€354.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case  (€97.59 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM (2021) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€71.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1314.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-12 19:07 CEST+0200

[Tan3l6]

CPU cooler, perhaps - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwqPxr/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120

 

Haha!

Cheap now.

 

Edit: Ha - Germany, then 34 eSports it is.

[rpkak]

Is there an advantage of the RX 6600 8 GB over the RX 6500 XT 4 GB for me?

The main usage for the GPU will be for Vulkan programming (and maybe machine learning). The only game I play is Minecraft.

[brob]

12 minutes ago, rpkak said:

Is there an advantage of the RX 6600 8 GB over the RX 6500 XT 4 GB for me?

The main usage for the GPU will be for Vulkan programming (and maybe machine learning). The only game I play is Minecraft.

 

An RX 6500XT would do, you could even make do with the i7-12700 UHD770 iGPU as long as the motherboard has the needed video ports (not all newer boards do).

[igormp]

10 hours ago, rpkak said:

and maybe machine learning

No you won't, at least not with an AMD GPU. No major framework supports AMD GPUs properly, and it's even worse when it comes to Navi. 

 

You're better off with nvidia. As a fellow arch user and also an nvidia user, it works flawlessly.

[venomtail]

Very little knowledge on what you actually need. I feel like Machine learning build is a legit case by case basis. More focus or VRAM, RAM or CPU.

From what I can remember, all machine learning guys I knew kept going on about how little RAM all the machines have. I've put in 64GB as a minimum.

CPU is a slower, smaller Ryzen. If your case is anything similar to how mine was or others I knew, CPU was the least of the worries.

 

My worry is, the GPU. As @igormpmentioned, I've also heard of NVIDIA currently being in the lead by a large margin when it comes to machine learning. NVIDIA cards often get the first support and the best utilization from softwares. AMD is lucky if they're even compatible to run a lot of these things in the first place. You wanting to do everything on Linux tho maybe it works on linux completely differently. In any case, you can easily swap the 6700XT for a 12GB 3060.

 

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100F 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€105.90 @ Galaxus) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black CPU Cooler  (€39.23 @ Galaxus) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B660 DS3H DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€125.99 @ Galaxus) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€234.44 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€84.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB PULSE Video Card  (€554.99 @ Caseking) 
Case: Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€47.43 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€99.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1292.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-13 16:05 CEST+0200

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2022 by venomtail
Swapped 5500 for 12100F, same price but some 5% faster. If you need more cores, pick 5500 or older i5

[igormp]

1 hour ago, venomtail said:

You wanting to do everything on Linux tho maybe it works on linux completely differently

It doesn't, and it's even worse on Linux. On windows you can at least try to use DirectML (which has shitty performance, even worse than running on a CPU, but hey, it works!).

 

1 hour ago, venomtail said:

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€234.44 @ Galaxus) 

2x32gb would be better since it'd allow for a later upgrade. 3600mhz isn't really needed, 3200mhz would be better (as long as it's cheaper, ofc).

 

I'd go with something like that:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£184.32 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler  (£28.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£135.37 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£235.84 @ Technextday) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£102.40 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB GAMING Twin Edge Video Card  (£379.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £1155.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-13 16:27 BST+0100

 

 

If you're not really serious on ML, you could go for a cheaper GPU and get a better CPU, like so:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£355.89 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler  (£28.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£135.37 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£235.84 @ Technextday) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£102.40 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3050 8GB 8 GB EAGLE Video Card  (£279.99 @ Technextday) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £1227.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-13 16:31 BST+0100

 

I went with an AMD build because it was a tad little cheaper than the Intel 12th gen counterpart, but feel free to pick whichever you want.

[rpkak]

1 hour ago, venomtail said:

Very little knowledge on what you actually need. I feel like Machine learning build is a legit case by case basis. More focus or VRAM, RAM or CPU.

From what I can remember, all machine learning guys I knew kept going on about how little RAM all the machines have. I've put in 64GB as a minimum.

CPU is a slower, smaller Ryzen. If your case is anything similar to how mine was or others I knew, CPU was the least of the worries.

Machine learning won't be the main usecase of the PC. It is one of the usecases for the GP.

Because I compile quite often, I think the CPU does matter for me.

[igormp]

34 minutes ago, rpkak said:

Machine learning won't be the main usecase of the PC. It is one of the usecases for the GP.

Because I compile quite often, I think the CPU does matter for me.

Ayy boss, there you go:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  (£482.82 @ Senetic) 
CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B 39.44 CFM CPU Cooler  (£74.50 @ Computer Orbit) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£135.37 @ CCL Computers) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£235.84 @ Technextday) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£102.40 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB AERO ITX OC Video Card  (£258.48 @ Ebuyer) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £1378.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-13 17:31 BST+0100

 

I went a tad bit over your budget, but you can go for an even cheaper GPU like the 6500 if you're not planning on doing ML with the GPU (like using just colab or scikit learn), otherwise the 5950x is a compile beast, I can chew through projects in no time and don't regret it. Again, the 12900k offers really similar performance, but the mobo+cpu combo would be a tad bit more expensive, and you'd need better cooling.

I manage my 5950x with a fuma2 without problems (heck, even a gammax 400 would be enough as long as you don't mind the cpu hitting close to 90º), so that's why I included it.

[rpkak]

After reading your messages and some research created this list:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€409.00 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler  (€38.37 @ Galaxus) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z690-P D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€196.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€114.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€99.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3050 8GB 8 GB VENTUS 2X Video Card  (€346.99 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: EVGA GQ 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€88.05 @ Galaxus) 
Total: €1293.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-16 09:19 CEST+0200

 

What do you think about it?

[ahmad13610]

budget version:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€299.00 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions Phantom CPU Cooler  (€39.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€76.21 @ Galaxus) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€111.88 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP34 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€137.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Speedster SWFT 210 Video Card  (€319.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: SHARKOON VG7-W RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€46.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: SHARKOON WPM Gold Zero 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€44.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1073.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-16 10:33 CEST+0200
 

perfect version:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€390.00 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€53.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€81.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€119.54 @ Computeruniverse) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€214.85 @ Computeruniverse) 
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Speedster SWFT 210 Video Card  (€319.00 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: SHARKOON VG7-W RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€46.89 @ Alternate) 
Power Supply: Enermax Revolution D.F. 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€96.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1322.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-16 11:37 CEST+0200

 

 

[igormp]

3 hours ago, rpkak said:

After reading your messages and some research created this list:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€409.00 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler  (€38.37 @ Galaxus) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z690-P D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€196.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (€114.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€99.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3050 8GB 8 GB VENTUS 2X Video Card  (€346.99 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: EVGA GQ 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€88.05 @ Galaxus) 
Total: €1293.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-06-16 09:19 CEST+0200

 

What do you think about it?

As long as 32gb is enough for you, that lgtm

[Somerandomtechyboi]

On 6/13/2022 at 10:54 PM, rpkak said:

Machine learning won't be the main usecase of the PC. It is one of the usecases for the GP.

Because I compile quite often, I think the CPU does matter for me.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/KcdGjZ

¯\_ (ツ) _/¯ 

[igormp]

4 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/KcdGjZ

¯\_ (ツ) _/¯ 

OP has no GPU and also wants to work with vulkan, so that build may go over their budget after you factor a new gpu.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

43 minutes ago, igormp said:

OP has no GPU and also wants to work with vulkan, so that build may go over their budget after you factor a new gpu.

In that case 12700 + b660 will do