GPU Vertical vs Horizontal

[Nightscar]

Hello all o/

Have a quick question.

My current PC case (BeQuiet) I have gives me an option to run my GPU Vertical instead of the old Horizontal. However running my GPU (RTX 2080) vertical makes the temp of the GPU shoot up pretty high 75c - 80c with graphical intensive games. However I didn't think anything of it and have used Argus monitoring software (which is really nice btw) to monitor and adjust the fan speeds to keep things cool.

 

So fast forward about a year lol.. and just out of curiosity I switched my fan to Horizontal. Wow what a difference in GPU temps. going from 75c - 80c down to 60c - 68c playing graphically intensive games.

 

However my question is.. and why I am here. The GPU when placed in the horizontal position totally covers my chipset fan on my x570 Pro MB. and the temp on the chipset has risen about 10c along with my NVME and CPU as well has risen in temps.

 

So my question is, hotter GPU cooler chipset, NVME, and CPU? Or Cooler GPU and hotter chipset, NVME and CPU? 

I brought along some pics to show the difference in temps. The 75c is the GPU standing up in the vertical position the 67c is the GPU laying in the horizonal position.

These temps are me playing V Rising for about 10 min. Not the best test setup but it shows my point. longer play times will equal higher temps.

 

I know all these temps are within safe working conditions, I am just curious on others opinions.

Thank you 

[JogerJ]

Cooler GPU. GPU will throttle at above 80-90°C and chipset temps are not always the most reliable sensor on the board, there will be hotspots and you can't really do much about it. 

 

[PDifolco]

Keep the GPU horizontal, vertical is imo only good for watercooled cards, else you end up choking their fans as they're too close to the case panel

 

 

[Ralphred]

46 minutes ago, Nightscar said:

So my question is, hotter GPU cooler chipset, NVME, and CPU? Or Cooler GPU and hotter chipset, NVME and CPU? 

For longevity, what you are looking for is the least "thermal hysteresis", i.e. the closest value between "idle temp" and "full load temp". This has to be balanced with how hard the silicon is working and how hot it is; permanent high temp hard working silicon (type A) WILL degrade faster than 20°C hysteresis but 20°C lower max temp silicon (type B), but for lower values of "work" type A will outlast type B. Considering you don't want to "overwork" a GPU to keep it's temps higher at idle, the best option is to lower its 100% temp and push it into the type B category.

Configure as you will with ^this^ info.
 

[Ralfi]

Did the extra fan RPM noise bother you with a vertically mounted GPU?
 

I’m curious what temps you’d see with a horizontal GPU, but with your GPU & Case fan RPM matching that of your vertical GPU setup: so 63% GPU fan & 100% Case fans.

[thrasher_565]

vertical can help in serten cases if done right when the fan is like an inch away from the glass. but manly is for water cooling.

 

cases that have poor front intake and need to do a bottom to top to get more air for say a cpu aio on top. still not ideal as the gpu would be exhausting out the op and bottom guess a guess thow no testing has been done...

 

the Cooler Master MasterCase SL600M being famus for this but they also do a have a really good vertical mout that comes with the case.

 

[Nightscar]

Thank you all for the reply.

I think I will keep my GPU mounted in the Horizontal position from here on out. I didn't realize what a difference it would make on the temps of the GPU. The hottest I have seen my chipset so far go is 71c, CPU at 55c and NVME stays around 60c which makes no sense cause the NVME is mounted below the GPU .. lol.

 

 

@Ralphred I'm not totally sure what you even said lol. I'm not a hardware engineer maybe laymen's terms next time would be better yes?

 

@Ralfi With the headset I use (HyperX Alpha Wireless) I didn't even notice the RPM noise from the fans. The only reason I know my card is getting hot is I have the RGB change to yellow then red depending on the Temp of the GPU. Also I have not changed my custom fan curve I have setup for my case fans and GPU temps in Argus Monitor on a vertical GPU setup. The fastest my case fans spin is about 50-60% and being Noctua fans.. there quiet.

 

@thrasher_565 I know some cases are made to breath a little easier with a vertical mounted GPU.. The Case I have however is the BeQuiet Dark Base 700 Mid. While having a Vertical GPU mount available, it is very close to the glass front defiantly less then an inch.

[Ralfi]

8 hours ago, Nightscar said:

Also I have not changed my custom fan curve I have setup for my case fans and GPU temps in Argus Monitor on a vertical GPU setup. The fastest my case fans spin is about 50-60% and being Noctua fans.. there quiet.

From your screenshots above, your case fans are spinning at 100% when the GPU is vertical.

 

I’m suggesting your cooler temps are in part due to the case fans spinning faster & also your GPU fans spinning faster when your GPU was mounted vertically.

 

You may be able to improve your temps when the GPU is mounted horizontally, by adjusting your fan curves so they spin at the same RPM as shown above in your ‘vertical’ screenshot.

[Nightscar]

On 6/4/2022 at 7:35 PM, Ralfi said:

From your screenshots above, your case fans are spinning at 100% when the GPU is vertical.

 

I’m suggesting your cooler temps are in part due to the case fans spinning faster & also your GPU fans spinning faster when your GPU was mounted vertically.

 

You may be able to improve your temps when the GPU is mounted horizontally, by adjusting your fan curves so they spin at the same RPM as shown above in your ‘vertical’ screenshot.

Oh I got what your saying. I have adjusted my fan curve slightly and everything stays nice and cool.. GPU temps stay around 60c now instead of 77c which is crazy.

 

However the only thing that IS making me a little nervous is the chipset is sitting at around 70c.. I'm used to seeing it at around 60c. The Asus x570 pro chipset mini fan is totally being blocked by the GPU now.. but from what I hear I guess the chipset can run hot and be ok ?

[Ralfi]

7 minutes ago, Nightscar said:

I have adjusted my fan curve slightly and everything stays nice and cool.. GPU temps stay around 60c now instead of 77c which is crazy.

Ok, so in the Horizontal GPU position, are your fans running at the same RPM as they were in the Vertical position? I just want to know if this improves your Chipset temp.

 

12 minutes ago, Nightscar said:

However the only thing that IS making me a little nervous is the chipset is sitting at around 70c.. I'm used to seeing it at around 60c. The Asus x570 pro chipset mini fan is totally being blocked by the GPU now.. but from what I hear I guess the chipset can run hot and be ok ?

Where is your chipset located on your motherboard? Is it the lower right area? I ask because i've done some testing on my motherboard & have seen my chipset temp increase depending on my fan numbers/orientation & I can maybe suggest some things for you. Post a side on pic of your motherboard if possible.

[Nightscar]

On 6/6/2022 at 1:31 AM, Ralfi said:

Ok, so in the Horizontal GPU position, are your fans running at the same RPM as they were in the Vertical position? I just want to know if this improves your Chipset temp.

 

Where is your chipset located on your motherboard? Is it the lower right area? I ask because i've done some testing on my motherboard & have seen my chipset temp increase depending on my fan numbers/orientation & I can maybe suggest some things for you. Post a side on pic of your motherboard if possible.

Yes, my fans are running at the same rpm as they where when the fan was in the Vertical position. The only tweaking I did was when the GPU hits 60c the case fans rev up a little faster. If the GPU hits 75c the case fans are at 100%. This makes very little difference for the chipset temps. They still run about 10c - 12c hotter then they did when the GPU was in the Vertical position.

 

On the x570-pro the chipset mini fan is in the bottom right-ish. The GPU totally covers it, as you can see from the pictures.

So far the highest temps I have seen on my chipset have been 72c.

[thrasher_565]

3 hours ago, Nightscar said:

Yes, my fans are running at the same rpm as they where when the fan was in the Vertical position. The only tweaking I did was when the GPU hits 60c the case fans rev up a little faster. If the GPU hits 75c the case fans are at 100%. This makes very little difference for the chipset temps. They still run about 10c - 12c hotter then they did when the GPU was in the Vertical position.

 

On the x570-pro the chipset mini fan is in the bottom right-ish. The GPU totally covers it, as you can see from the pictures.

So far the highest temps I have seen on my chipset have been 72c.

its because the gpu exhaust out the sides some at the mb and some at the side panel. if its vertical it will be in taking from the side panel depending how close it is can incres the gpu temps. and it exhaust out the bottom and top. if you got good bottom mount fans it might force most out the top but some will sill get sucked back in the the gpu. the top heat can go into the cpu cooler making that hotter.

[Ralfi]

5 hours ago, Nightscar said:

On the x570-pro the chipset mini fan is in the bottom right-ish. The GPU totally covers it, as you can see from the pictures.

In that case, then it’s an unfortunate design by MSI to place the chipset right where the GPU exhaust is
 

So if your case fans are running at 100% & making no change to the chipset temp, your only option may be to undervolt your GPU to try & reduce heat output. Have you looked into that?

[Nightscar]

@Ralfi 

Well that's Asus not MSI But yes that's a crap design lol.

To be honest with you, from what I have researched online the chipset of this MB until it reaches 90c I shouldn't have to worry. The hottest I have seen it get to is 72c.

Even at 85f - 90f ambient summertime temps (rarely gets 90F lol) The chipset, CPU, and GPU all stay within safe temps even without the case fans running at 100%. 

The only thing I will do is once every 6 months or year. Take my GPU out and make sure I blow any dust from the mini chipset fan. Almost wish ASUS went with a fan less chipset design, would of made more sense.

Overall lesson learned. Unless I get a water cooled GPU, from here on out my GPU's are staying Horizontal lol.

 

@thrasher_565

I cannot mount bottom fans, unfortunately wire management.. plus the black decorative shroud that covers the wires and PSU is installed in my case.