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Okay, I want to start this with saying that my friend has an old 285 and was saying it runs BF4 ultra multiplayer 1080p 60fps. I feel like he's bluffing, since even with my 770, its still a bit of a challenge to run 1080p 60fps ultra all day everyday.

 

 

What do you guys think

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I think he shoves things where the light doesn't shine, but... Yeah... He's just pulling it out of his ass.

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No only a 4870 can do dat shit brwh.

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another question too, would it be worth it to try to get this on ebay? I could SLI them in my rig with my current single 770 assuming I have enough PCI slots. I could use the 285's for my gaming with games that have good SLI scaling and my single 770 for non ones, what do you think?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-285-01G-P3-1281-AR-1GB-GDDR3-PCI-E-x16-GPU-Video-Card-/271456175022

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another question too, would it be worth it to try to get this on ebay? I could SLI them in my rig with my current single 770 assuming I have enough PCI slots. I could use the 285's for my gaming with games that have good SLI scaling and my single 770 for non ones, what do you think?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-285-01G-P3-1281-AR-1GB-GDDR3-PCI-E-x16-GPU-Video-Card-/271456175022

0/10 not worth.

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Buy a fucking 560Ti, basically 275 Sli.

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No way... I can only go to high on my 660 and keep 60fps

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No 200 series card is worth it anymore. No 400 series. No 500 series. 600 Series only for the 660 new really, unless you get a good deal on a 670/680. 

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Don't, I will not perform any better then your 770, just save up for a second one if you need more horse power.

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Okay, I want to start this with saying that my friend has an old 285 and was saying it runs BF4 ultra multiplayer 1080p 60fps. I feel like he's bluffing, since even with my 770, its still a bit of a challenge to run 1080p 60fps ultra all day everyday.

 

 

What do you guys think

I have a gtx285, it doesn't, simple as that.

that said its not a bad card (aside from no dx11 and its 188 watts), here's my benchmarks on my sig rig

MEDIUM
gtx285-BF4 1360x768=min/avg/max=44, 58.9, 83
gtx285-BF4 1360x768=min/avg/max=40, 56.2, 76
gtx285-BF4 1360x768=min/avg/max=44, 58.2, 79
avg min:42.6
avg avg:57.7 
------------------------------------------------------------------
gtx285-BF4 1600x900=min/avg/max=41, 51.8, 65
gtx285-BF4 1600x900=min/avg/max=41, 52.6, 68
gtx285-BF4 1600x900=min/avg/max=42, 55.0, 77
780mb vram
avg min:41.3
avg avg:53.1
------------------------------------------------------------------
1600mhz ram
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=36, 45.8, 66
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=37, 43.7, 54
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=36, 44.7, 60
830mb vram
avg min:36.3
avg avg:44.7
------------------------------------------------------------------
800mhz ram
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=36, 44.3, 59
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=37, 45.8, 54
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=38, 45.3, 54
801mb vram
avg min:37
avg avg:45.1
#########################################
HIGH
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=25, 33.7, 40
65*c,63%fan, 900mb vram
avg min:25
avg avg:33.7
ULTRA
gtx285-BF4 1920x1080=min/avg/max=30, 37.3, 57
881mb vram
avg min:25
avg avg:37.3

65*c, at 63%fan speed, very quiet upto 60% fan speed so acceptable

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No 200 series card is worth it anymore. No 400 series. No 500 series. 600 Series only for the 660 new really, unless you get a good deal on a 670/680.

Considering the 660 ie 480/580 performance and lacking Fermi's compute performance, you are wrong, Fermi is now extremely affordable too.

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More like a 4850

No, 285=4890.

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Considering the 660 ie 480/580 performance and lacking Fermi's compute performance, you are wrong, Fermi is now extremely affordable too.

660 is a little worse than the 580. I would not buy a 4 year old card. They run stupid hot too. I do believe the 660 will support DX12 while the 580 probably wont.

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is gtx 285 = 7850 ?

not really, its still hugely powerful and certainly gave my 7770 a run for its money, the memory bandwidth and texel rate meant it really can use 1-2gb of ram wheras my 2gb 7770 started to struggle when the textures/res started going up, bf4 start cranking it to high-ultra at 1080p started bringing it close to the 30fps (ish) mark.

I.e its a powerful card in the sense that it takes a lot to bring the fps down from say 60fps to 50, to 40.. etc you really have to crank it.

that said while some cards today in SOME games might outperform it in certain benchmarks if you start turning up the textures etc those cards can have the fps tank and seriously drop once the gpu reaches its texture/pixel/bandwidth limit

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660 is a little worse than the 580. I would not buy a 4 year old card. They run stupid hot too. I do believe the 660 will support DX12 while the 580 probably wont.

im guessing most cards that support dx11 will support dx12, it makes NO sense for some cards like say a gtx 770 to get it and not others, teh game API doesnt care what architecture you use so long as some required parts are there (like teselators) i dont know this as im not a programmer but the way the industry works is fairly simple and microsoft have been resting on the loins long enough now that since amd has shown people want it microsoft has stepped up and put some effort into it, with that in mind they are going to want as many people as possible to be able to us it.

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im guessing most cards that support dx11 will support dx12, it makes NO sense for some cards like say a gtx 770 to get it and not others, teh game API doesnt care what architecture you use so long as some required parts are there (like teselators) i dont know this as im not a programmer but the way the industry works is fairly simple and microsoft have been resting on the loins long enough now that since amd has shown people want it microsoft has stepped up and put some effort into it, with that in mind they are going to want as many people as possible to be able to us it.

There is no logical reason why nvidia would let the 580 have dx12. They want people to buy more cards and upgrade. 

 

quick change: just because it's capable of supporting it doesnt mean nvidia will let it.

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sure what? he's lying?

 

IK, sarcasm......

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