First ever build help :)

[Willus101]

Budget (including currency): 1500 AUD (ish)

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Most popular shooters with friends and casual pc use

 

Hello! I am a long time gamer who has finally decided to finish the purchase of my first ever PC build. I will be building it myself (with the help of friends). The parts listed below are what I am looking to be using. Anything without a price has been purchased by me or gifted too me. 

If there are any adjustments or obvious changes that a new comer like myself should know I would love to hear about it (and why if possible, would love to learn more). The compatibility warning stems from the BIOS update, which from my research is a simple flash drive fix.

 

My budget is somewhat strict but if the changes are necessary it can be adjusted 

 

Thank you in advance for any help given!

 

 

 

[An0maly_76]

That board supports M.2 NVME, and I would highly suggest using it. Lots of options that are reasonably priced, my personal recommendation on a bang-for-the-buck basis is the WD Blue SN570 1TB. If money is no object and performance is paramount, you might step up to the WD Black SN850, they do run hot but your board appears to have good cooling for this.  I don't think it will be a whole lot faster than the SN570 though.

 

M.2 is a bit faster than your standard SATA SSD, and will greatly improve your load times and overall performance. Other than that, seems like a fairly balanced build. I'd like an 850W over the 750W, but it should be sufficient for the 3060. You also might want to think about 32GB over 16GB. Made quite a difference in my build's performance.

 

However, the case could be a bit stuffy for the likes of a 5800X, I have a 5900X in a Corsair 4000X case (three fans front, two fans top, one fan rear) and my temps are okay even with air cooling, but I idle 38C-42C, moderately load between 57C-65C, and peak (with Cinebench R23) at 76C with PBO off, 87C with PBO on. The 5800X / 5900X / 5950X are safe to 90C at full load, however, so I would say you're probably okay with a fan controller and some fan curve tweaking.

 

I have noticed a rather high number of folks posting issues with AIO pumps, however, so I'm not a fan of liquid cooling. I use a Scythe Mugen 5 with six 120mm case fans and it cools my 5900X just fine. And the 4000D Airflow would cool even better.

 

Just my $0.02.

Edited May 14, 2022 by An0maly_76
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[Willus101]

10 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

That board supports M.2 NVME, and I would highly suggest using it. Lots of options that are reasonably priced, my personal recommendation on a bang-for-the-buck basis is the WD Blue SN570 1TB. M.2 is a bit faster than your standard SATA SSD, and will greatly improve your load times and overall performance. Other than that, seems like a fairly balanced build. I'd like an 850W over the 750W, but it should be sufficient for the 3060. You also might want to think about 32GB over 16GB. Made quite a difference in my build's performance.

 

However, the case could be a bit stuffy for the likes of a 5800X, I have a 5900X in a Corsair 4000X case (three fans front, two fans top, one fan rear) and my temps are okay even with air cooling, but I idle 38C-42C, moderately load between 57C-65C, and peak (with Cinebench R23) at 76C with PBO off, 87C with PBO on. The 5800X / 5900X / 5950X are safe to 90C at full load, however, so I would say you're probably okay with a fan controller and some fan curve tweaking.

 

I have noticed a rather high number of folks posting issues with AIO pumps, however, so I'm not a fan of liquid cooling. I use a Scythe Mugen 5 with six 120mm case fans and it cools my 5900X just fine. And the 4000D Airflow would cool even better.

 

Just my $0.02.

Thank you so much, I will look at getting the M.2 NVME. If you have a recommendation to help with the cooling it would be appreciated 

 

Cheers

 

 

[Jeppes]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($469.00 @ PCByte)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($85.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($134.63 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB VISION OC Rev 2.0 Video Card  ($849.00 @ JW Computers)
Total: $1537.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-14 22:44 AEST+1000

 

The 25$ id-cooling se 224 xt should also be just fine for gaming.

 

[An0maly_76]

1 minute ago, Willus101 said:

Thank you so much, I will look at getting the M.2 NVME. If you have a recommendation to help with the cooling it would be appreciated 

 

Cheers

Cooling for the M.2, or the system in general?

 

The board appears to have generous heatsinks for the M.2, which should be plenty, though there are some aftermarket coolers out there I've seen. Don't know enough about them to say they'd be any better.

 

As for system cooling, I prefer air. I run a Scythe Mugen 5 and six 120mms with an iCUE Commander Core and a custom fan curve with temp-monitor RGB control and it works well on my system (4000X Corsair case, has slightly more ventilation than yours), but I have no problems with cooling. Zen3 heats up quick under load, but my setup returns to idle temp within 45 - 120 seconds depending.

[An0maly_76]

To expand on my remarks -- here are two threads I've posted...

 

My 5900X build show-off thread

 

Write-up I did on air-cooling and how to properly set it up

[Willus101]

10 minutes ago, Jeppes said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($469.00 @ PCByte)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($85.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($134.63 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB VISION OC Rev 2.0 Video Card  ($849.00 @ JW Computers)
Total: $1537.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-14 22:44 AEST+1000

 

The 25$ id-cooling se 224 xt should also be just fine for gaming.

 

Thank you!

I hate to be that guy but for aesthetic purposes I as hoping for a black GPU, any similar recommendations? 

[dizmo]

• Looks like a decent build plan, however you're going to rapidly run out of room with a 250GB SSD. Games are getting quite large.
• Also, why do you have an external drive there?
• The 5800x runs hot, so I'd probably get a decent cooler. I haven't looked into reviews of AIOs, but there's lots of great sources I'd dive into before making a decision. Some AIOs have extremely loud fans, and it'd be unfortunate to have to replace them, as it adds cost.
• Any particular reason why you went with the 5800x over the 5600x?

43 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

That board supports M.2 NVME, and I would highly suggest using it. Lots of options that are reasonably priced, my personal recommendation on a bang-for-the-buck basis is the WD Blue SN570 1TB. If money is no object and performance is paramount, you might step up to the WD Black SN850, they do run hot but your board appears to have good cooling for this.  I don't think it will be a whole lot faster than the SN570 though.

 

M.2 is a bit faster than your standard SATA SSD, and will greatly improve your load times and overall performance. Other than that, seems like a fairly balanced build. I'd like an 850W over the 750W, but it should be sufficient for the 3060. You also might want to think about 32GB over 16GB. Made quite a difference in my build's performance.

 

However, the case could be a bit stuffy for the likes of a 5800X, I have a 5900X in a Corsair 4000X case (three fans front, two fans top, one fan rear) and my temps are okay even with air cooling, but I idle 38C-42C, moderately load between 57C-65C, and peak (with Cinebench R23) at 76C with PBO off, 87C with PBO on. The 5800X / 5900X / 5950X are safe to 90C at full load, however, so I would say you're probably okay with a fan controller and some fan curve tweaking.

 

I have noticed a rather high number of folks posting issues with AIO pumps, however, so I'm not a fan of liquid cooling. I use a Scythe Mugen 5 with six 120mm case fans and it cools my 5900X just fine. And the 4000D Airflow would cool even better.

 

Just my $0.02.

• While it makes sense to get NVME just from a cost perspective, you don't see significantly improved load times apart from a few select titles.
• Even a 550w would be sufficient for a 3060, they're far from power hungry.
• You see issues because that's when people post. That doesn't mean there's inherent problems with AIOs, and they're a perfectly acceptable and reliable form of cooling.

28 minutes ago, Jeppes said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($469.00 @ PCByte)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($85.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($134.63 @ Amazon Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB VISION OC Rev 2.0 Video Card  ($849.00 @ JW Computers)
Total: $1537.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-14 22:44 AEST+1000

 

The 25$ id-cooling se 224 xt should also be just fine for gaming.

 

Hmmm it's almost as if you're missing half the components needed to make a build actually work...

[An0maly_76]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

• Looks like a decent build plan, however you're going to rapidly run out of room with a 250GB SSD. Games are getting quite large.
• Also, why do you have an external drive there?
• The 5800x runs hot, so I'd probably get a decent cooler. I haven't looked into reviews of AIOs, but there's lots of great sources I'd dive into before making a decision. Some AIOs have extremely loud fans, and it'd be unfortunate to have to replace them, as it adds cost.
• Any particular reason why you went with the 5800x over the 5600x?

• While it makes sense to get NVME just from a cost perspective, you don't see significantly improved load times apart from a few select titles.
• Even a 550w would be sufficient for a 3060, they're far from power hungry.
• You see issues because that's when people post. That doesn't mean there's inherent problems with AIOs, and they're a perfectly acceptable and reliable form of cooling.

Hmmm it's almost as if you're missing half the components needed to make a build actually work...

I suspect OP is interested in future proofing, mostly the same reason I went with a 5900X for my build.

 

I beg to differ on the M.2 and load times, it made a world of difference on my previous rig.

 

 

I don't believe in tempting the fates, and another 100-200W is hardly worth skimping on. I find it's best to leave room for future upgrades. Not everybody gets their desired results the first time.

 

Linus himself has even said that AIO is cool if you prefer tinkering with your PC as opposed to actually using it. That speaks volumes, especially in a video that specifically did a comparison of various air and liquid cooling setups.

 

I'm curious, what components do you see missing here?

Edited May 14, 2022 by An0maly_76
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[Willus101]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

• Looks like a decent build plan, however you're going to rapidly run out of room with a 250GB SSD. Games are getting quite large.
• Also, why do you have an external drive there?
• The 5800x runs hot, so I'd probably get a decent cooler. I haven't looked into reviews of AIOs, but there's lots of great sources I'd dive into before making a decision. Some AIOs have extremely loud fans, and it'd be unfortunate to have to replace them, as it adds cost.
• Any particular reason why you went with the 5800x over the 5600x?

• While it makes sense to get NVME just from a cost perspective, you don't see significantly improved load times apart from a few select titles.
• Even a 550w would be sufficient for a 3060, they're far from power hungry.
• You see issues because that's when people post. That doesn't mean there's inherent problems with AIOs, and they're a perfectly acceptable and reliable form of cooling.

Hmmm it's almost as if you're missing half the components needed to make a build actually work...

After looking at some answers the storage will be adjusted.

Im not sold on a certain cooling system yet so I will have to do some more research as to what will work best for me. I went with the 5800x purely for the future use.

 

I think the build he put only had the components I was looking for.

 

Do you have an recommendations in terms of cooling? 

[An0maly_76]

Black GPU? You might look at this one...

 

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Gaming-08G-P5-3667-KL-Cooling/dp/B097S8BR3C

[Jeppes]

47 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Hmmm it's almost as if you're missing half the components needed to make a build actually work...

Somehow I have a feeling it will work.

1 hour ago, Willus101 said:

Thank you!

I hate to be that guy but for aesthetic purposes I as hoping for a black GPU, any similar recommendations? 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/ktvqqs/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-eagle-oc-video-card-gv-n3070eagle-oc-8gd

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, An0maly_76 said:

I suspect OP is interested in future proofing, mostly the same reason I went with a 5900X for my build.

 

I beg to differ on the M.2 and load times, it made a world of difference on my previous rig.

 

 

I don't believe in tempting the fates, and another 100-200W is hardly worth skimping on. I find it's best to leave room for future upgrades. Not everybody gets their desired results the first time.

 

Linus himself has even said that AIO is cool if you prefer tinkering with your PC as opposed to actually using it. That speaks volumes, especially in a video that specifically did a comparison of various air and liquid cooling setups.

 

I'm curious, what components do you see missing here?

The future proofing argument makes no sense, especially now. By the time he actually needs 8 cores, it'll be far more beneficial to move on to a newer platform.

He might as well save the money and go with the 5600x.

 

You can beg all you like, however testing, even that done by Linus since that seems to hold more weight with you, shows that there's basically no difference between SATA and NVME SSDs when it comes to load times outside of a handful of titles. So, you're likely just experiencing a placebo effect to solidify you're buying decisions.

 

You don't tempt fates with 550w power supplies, especially with the card he's running. Hell, I'm running a 5900 and a 6700XT on a 600w, no issues. All you have to do is make sure you're getting a quality unit, which you should be doing regardless of how much wattage you're getting. Most PCs aren't going to pull more than 400 watts from the wall at peak.

 

An over exaggerated opinion. Obviously you can still use your PC with AIOs, he was probably referring more to liquid cooling, where you have to maintain the loop. Not something that you have to do with an AIO. A good percentage of users on the forum use AIOs, and they're perfectly fine.

2 hours ago, Willus101 said:

After looking at some answers the storage will be adjusted.

Im not sold on a certain cooling system yet so I will have to do some more research as to what will work best for me. I went with the 5800x purely for the future use.

 

I think the build he put only had the components I was looking for.

 

Do you have an recommendations in terms of cooling? 

Yeah, aim for at least 1TB. Especially with the way prices are right now, they're not that much more expensive.

AIOs are fine, but do your research as some are good and others not so much. Air coolers are another choice, however they're much larger and a slight bit more of a pain to install. A good AIO will almost always beat a good air cooler.

 

Depends what look you're going for, and what case you're getting. I'd probably look at a case with better airflow, check out GamersNexus for case shootouts, they're usually quite good and have lots of cooling information. I'd go with a 5600x and an air cooler, or an AIO if you want that look, or if you move the PC from house to house at all.

[An0maly_76]

49 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You can beg all you like, however testing, even that done by Linus since that seems to hold more weight with you, shows that there's basically no difference between SATA and NVME SSDs when it comes to load times outside of a handful of titles. So, you're likely just experiencing a placebo effect to solidify you're buying decisions.

There's no need to be condescending with the 'beg all you like' remark, but humor me. Explain why after going from HDD to M.2, 8GB of cheesy RipJaws, and a GT1030 to a GTX1650S-4GB-OC, EVERYTHING was faster. Not just load times. I play BeamNG and American Truck Simulator a lot, and both games were not only smoother, but faster. Is there really that big of a difference between a GT1030 and a GTX1650S? And that RipJaws must have been slower than hell for 32GB of DDR4-3200 to run circles around the original configuration, because that's basically what you're saying, that the GPU and RAM upgrades were the most beneficial. I'm just not seeing that, so what percentage of performance increase would you say they made?

 

And BTW, in that context, it's your, not you're.

[dizmo]

11 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

There's no need to be condescending with the 'beg all you like' remark, but humor me. Explain why after going from HDD to M.2, 8GB of cheesy RipJaws, and a GT1030 to a GTX1650S-4GB-OC, EVERYTHING was faster. Not just load times. I play BeamNG and American Truck Simulator a lot, and both games were not only smoother, but faster. Is there really that big of a difference between a GT1030 and a GTX1650S? And that RipJaws must have been slower than hell for 32GB of DDR4-3200 to run circles around the original configuration, because that's basically what you're saying, that the GPU and RAM upgrades were the most beneficial. I'm just not seeing that, so what percentage of performance increase would you say they made?

 

And BTW, in that context, it's your, not you're.

It's not condescending, you used the 'beg to differ' line yourself. Can't handle a slight play on words then the internet might not be the place for you.

You're arguing HDD over SSD, which isn't what you said initially. However, it has also been shown that an SSD will not really give you better frame rates.

Yes, there really is that big of a difference between a GT1030 and GTX 1650S.

This video, for example, using a basic 1650 and not the Super, shows between 2x and 5x performance increases. You'd see more with a Super.

 

Yes, the GPU upgrade was the most beneficial. Full stop.

[An0maly_76]

 

21 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It's not condescending, you used the 'beg to differ' line yourself. Can't handle a slight play on words then the internet might not be the place for you.

 

Yes, there really is that big of a difference between a GT1030 and GTX 1650S.

Yes, the GPU upgrade was the most beneficial. Full stop.

So I did.  

 

You'll have to excuse me if I seem a bit sporadic or difficult. I have put this in my sig as a heads-up to others, but I was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder last month, and I've got a rather interesting mix of traits in comparison to most that I'm afraid can make me a bit persnickety. It really does make life hell, especially when trying to interact with others. Not trying to hide behind it, mind you, but it explains a lot, and I'm starting to realize I may steam a bit too confidently into uncharted waters at times. I often forget what I said five minutes ago or was about to do. I know I may come off as disagreeable, but it's not my intention, so I offer my apologies FWIW. My bad.

 

Moving along... Wow. Didn't think the GPU made that big a difference. Appreciate the info.

 

On that note (and not to hijack the thread), as I still have the 1700 rig in question, would an RTX2xxx or RTX3xxx GPU be worth it with that CPU? I only ask because the CPU and GPU usage have never been anywhere close to being in sync. It is a standard 1700, not an X.

Edited May 14, 2022 by An0maly_76
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