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I'm moving some parts around as I retire older systems and prepare them for sale. I decided to keep my 8086k in a Z390 chipset ITX mobo to carry over some old software than can no longer be activated, even thought I've bough it, although that is a rant for another time. Anyway, I installed Intel DSA to let it update wireless driver and whatever else it found, and was interested to see this alert.

 

While a 6 core Coffee Lake might not be the latest CPU and platform, it is about 4.5 years since the 8700k released. Is this really too old for Intel's impending GPU release? Is it the CPU itself, or maybe it "needs" at least PCIe 4.0? Clicking on it for more information just took me to a generic support landing page with no relevant info on it. Can't find anything in a quick search either.

 

I'll go check my Comet Lake system shortly and see if that is supported, as it is much newer at under 2 years but still also PCIe 3.0. 

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I think either the DSA is broken/not ready yet or it's a case of "you don't have an ARC card installed so the system isn't supporting ARC" deal... I get the same on a 9900K system. 

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That's interesting, perhaps they rely on something inside the 12th gen CPUs? Like AMD's cache thing with the 6000 series, Infinity Cache was it called? but maybe it's mandatory... or maybe I'm overthinking it and it's some random error

 

Kinda goes against the idea of almost any card going in almost any PCIe slot... 

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I'm sure that this is just letting you know that your system doesn't support the Arc drivers with your Intel graphics solution. The graphics in the 8086K are not based on the same architecture as Arc, so there's no way it could use Arc drivers.

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It's an alert, not in the actual driver update section. A bit like MS your PC is ready for Win11 or not messages.

 

I'm running DSA on some more systems now. For now, I can only say:

8086k/Z390 says no Arc

10600k/Z490 no message

 

To be tested:

7300HQ laptop

8350k/Z370

There are more but this is just for a feel.

 

Edit: 8350k/Z370 no message

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2 hours ago, porina said:

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I'm moving some parts around as I retire older systems and prepare them for sale. I decided to keep my 8086k in a Z390 chipset ITX mobo to carry over some old software than can no longer be activated, even thought I've bough it, although that is a rant for another time. Anyway, I installed Intel DSA to let it update wireless driver and whatever else it found, and was interested to see this alert.

 

While a 6 core Coffee Lake might not be the latest CPU and platform, it is about 4.5 years since the 8700k released. Is this really too old for Intel's impending GPU release? Is it the CPU itself, or maybe it "needs" at least PCIe 4.0? Clicking on it for more information just took me to a generic support landing page with no relevant info on it. Can't find anything in a quick search either.

 

I'll go check my Comet Lake system shortly and see if that is supported, as it is much newer at under 2 years but still also PCIe 3.0. 

Only taking 12th gen or newer would alienate way too much of the pc install base. I doubt you will have any issues 

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18 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

Only taking 12th gen or newer would alienate way too much of the pc install base. I doubt you will have any issues 

I've posted it on an official Intel discord. Officially no one is saying anything, so it is down to mods and users to speculate. Given I have seen this on one Coffee Lake system, but not another, doesn't rule out Coffee Lake by itself. There may be other unspecified factors leading to that message appearing. It may also be an error, why check if I can run a GPU that isn't launched yet? We only get mobile in 2 days, desktop unknown.

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3 hours ago, porina said:

I've posted it on an official Intel discord. Officially no one is saying anything, so it is down to mods and users to speculate. Given I have seen this on one Coffee Lake system, but not another, doesn't rule out Coffee Lake by itself. There may be other unspecified factors leading to that message appearing. It may also be an error, why check if I can run a GPU that isn't launched yet? We only get mobile in 2 days, desktop unknown.

If Intel is locking out support for some CPUs, for whatever reason, I think the fact that you saw it with an 8086K could be significant. It could be that Intel is using a whitelist of supported CPUs, and since the 8086K is technically a different CPU from the 8700K, it could be that whoever was doing the whitelisting forgot to add in the 8086K as a supported CPU.

 

However, that wouldn't explain why Intel is even using some kind of CPU whitelist to begin with. There's no reason to lock out support for a graphics card based on what CPU the system is using. OS version? Sure. But not CPU version.

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