new fibre router

[Tom_nerd]

Hi,

 

I am a massive PC nerd but I've managed to go through my PC nerd life without diving into networking. So when I wanted to get a new router I realised that the "input" for the router is a fibre optic cable, and all of the routers I see online have an ethernet "input" (I'm putting input in speech marks because there is probably a more technical term that I haven't learnt yet). When I get a new router (I just can't deal with the horrible stock one) is there a way to go directly from fibre into the router or do I still have to use the stock router as a passthrough for the new router?

 

Thanks in advance,

Tom

[tkitch]

Do you have FIOS or other Fiber internet?

 

If you can log into the router you can probably change it to bridge mode and then use a normal router instead.  

[AlexHD]

I've got fiber, and it is pretty simply. You have to buy an optic fibre to Ethernet adapter (Like this one I got https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Ethernet-Converter-Supporting-MC220L/dp/B003CFATL0) , its pretty cheap and a JBIC to adapt the fiber to SFP. (I got a purple JBIC and understood that only this one will work successfully :P);

not an expert, but that is how I got it

Edit: Forgot to mention that I've got my Adapter for free as long I am staying with this ISP xd

[Tom_nerd]

1 minute ago, AlexHD said:

I've got fiber, and it is pretty simply. You have to buy an optic fibre to Ethernet adapter (Like this one I got https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Ethernet-Converter-Supporting-MC220L/dp/B003CFATL0) , its pretty cheap and a JBIC to adapt the fiber to SFP. (I got a purple JBIC and understood that only this one will work successfully :P);

I know this is going to sound really stupid but:

 

I have a round fibre optic cable not a square one. Is there an adapter for that?

 

(Thanks by the way for helping me out)

[Tom_nerd]

If it helps this is the cable:

Extension Cable for Virgin Media Broadband Superhub Modem Router TiVo or Sky TV | eBay

[AlexHD]

[AlexHD]

1 minute ago, Tom_nerd said:

If it helps this is the cable:

Extension Cable for Virgin Media Broadband Superhub Modem Router TiVo or Sky TV | eBay

This cable is an coax I think,
sorry to disappoint you its not a fiber lol

[Tom_nerd]

1 minute ago, AlexHD said:

So, from my 5 minute googling I think thats SFP+, although I've got a coaxial input.

[Tom_nerd]

Just now, AlexHD said:

This cable is an coax I think,
sorry to disappoint you its not a fiber lol

I think that both coaxial and SFP+ carry a light signal, so are therefore fibre.

[AlexHD]

Just now, Tom_nerd said:

I think that both coaxial and SFP+ carry a light signal, so are therefore fibre.

I might be really stupid, But I had coax for 10 Years and I think it is not optical and it is working on electrical signals.

[Tom_nerd]

correction:

when I say SFP+ I meant to say SFP, I've just realised they don't mean the same thing and are slightly different:

[LIGISTX]

If you have fiber internet, you need a fiber modem… not a fiber router. You always need a modem between your router and the ISP supplied line, weather its fiber, coax, DSL etc. 

 

Your ISP would have provided this. So are you trying to upgrade? Are you trying to do internal (LAN) over fiber? 

[AlexHD]

1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

If you have fiber internet, you need a fiber modem… not a fiber router. You always need a modem between your router and the ISP supplied line, weather its fiber, coax, DSL etc. 

 

Your ISP would have provided this. So are you trying to upgrade? Are you trying to do internal (LAN) over fiber? 

I have the AX11000 Rupture with an adapter, with no modem. And it still works fine, and SFP, SFP+ work on the same idea the SFP+ is just more capable.

[Tom_nerd]

Just now, LIGISTX said:

 

Your ISP would have provided this. So are you trying to upgrade? Are you trying to do internal (LAN) over fiber? 

I don't know what that means but here is my interpretation:

 

currently I have a coaxial cable going into the house which then goes into what I would call the router (It might have a modem built in, to be perfectly honest I don't know). I was looking to get a new "router" because the stock one can barely reach upstairs (downstairs: 180 up, 50 down. Upstairs: 1 up, 0.5 down). So my question was: is there a way to get a new router that can accept that coaxial input instead of me having to pass through the current router?

 

(Thanks in advance)

[AlexHD]

I know that there are a few companies (asus is one of them Im pretty sure) that sell routers with a Coax connection.
You should check it out because I am not 100% sure about that.

[LIGISTX]

2 minutes ago, AlexHD said:

I have the AX11000 Rupture with an adapter, with no modem. And it still works fine, and SFP, SFP+ work on the same idea the SFP+ is just more capable.

What is doing the public to private IP translation? Is that AX11000 also a modem? 

 

5 minutes ago, Tom_nerd said:

I don't know what that means but here is my interpretation:

 

currently I have a coaxial cable going into the house which then goes into what I would call the router (It might have a modem built in, to be perfectly honest I don't know). I was looking to get a new "router" because the stock one can barely reach upstairs (downstairs: 180 up, 50 down. Upstairs: 1 up, 0.5 down). So my question was: is there a way to get a new router that can accept that coaxial input instead of me having to pass through the current router?

 

(Thanks in advance)

The “router” you currently have is likely a modem/router combo unit. If it has coax going in, that portion of it is the modem. Then that is internally connected to a router which proves Wifi and likely 4 Ethernet ports. 
 

Why are you looking at fiber? Don’t bother with fiber unless you need to, it won’t make anything faster and will only make things more difficult. 
 

To get better Wifi, you will need to put your router into bridge mode (or get your own modem from someone like Motorola or netgear etc) and connect a better router to either your bridge moded ISP provided combo unit or your new modem. 

[Tom_nerd]

1 minute ago, AlexHD said:

I know that there are a few companies (asus is one of them Im pretty sure) that sell routers with a Coax connection.
You should check it out because I am not 100% sure about that.

I've just been looking online and I've seen that routers will advertise themselves as being fibre but then only have an ethernet input. Is there something I'm missing out?

[LIGISTX]

I guess let’s take a step back.
 

1) Do you have fiber optic internet provided to your house/apartment? Or is it coax?

 

2) Your goal is to increase your Wifi range and your looking to upgrade your router in order to accomplish this?

[Tom_nerd]

4 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

1) Do you have fiber optic internet provided to your house/apartment? Or is it coax?

I thought I had a fibre connection going over coaxial although from that statement it sounds like it couldn't be true. Although if it helps here is a link to a cable extender for the cable I've got going into the router currently:Extension Cable for Virgin Media Broadband Superhub Modem Router TiVo or Sky TV | eBay

[AlexHD]

No the AX11000 is not a modem, It just works.
 

[Tom_nerd]

(just accidently pressed the submit button so couldn't put both answers in there. Anyway:

5 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

 

2) Your goal is to increase your Wifi range and your looking to upgrade your router in order to accomplish this?

The main goal is to increase the Wi-Fi range/speed as I've heard that getting a new router that isn't the stock one can get you your advertised speeds, also extra range would be nice, as our toilet is like an anechoic chamber, and everyone enjoys a bit of YouTube whilst dropping anchor. 

[Tom_nerd]

2 minutes ago, AlexHD said:

No the AX11000 is not a modem, It just works.

I am so incredibly confused by that statement. It works for what?

[AlexHD]

Just now, Tom_nerd said:

(just accidently pressed the submit button so couldn't put both answers in there. Anyway:

The main goal is to increase the Wi-Fi range/speed as I've heard that getting a new router that isn't the stock one can get you your advertised speeds, also extra range would be nice, as our toilet is like an anechoic chamber, and everyone enjoys a bit of YouTube whilst dropping anchor. 

If it is just to extend the range get an another router, when I had coax I've bought an Archer 1750 (TP-Link) to extend the range and just connect it to work in Bridge mode, or just as an AP (Access point).

[Tom_nerd]

1 minute ago, AlexHD said:

If it is just to extend the range get an another router, when I had coax I've bought an Archer 1750 (TP-Link) to extend the range and just connect it to work in Bridge mode, or just as an AP (Access point).

Although I would also like a new web interface,  because currently its a "near-terminal" like interface, and interacting with it is like talking to a dead Pidgeon, and the new UI's seem to be drastically more intuitive to use, and that would be really useful for making sure that gaming machines get higher priority when it comes to latency over my smart bulb.

[LIGISTX]

1 minute ago, AlexHD said:

No the AX11000 is not a modem, It just works.
 

It’s either a modem, or it’s connected to an upstream modem…. Routers are not modems and modems are not routers. You definitely have a modem somewhere. 

 

5 minutes ago, Tom_nerd said:

(just accidently pressed the submit button so couldn't put both answers in there. Anyway:

The main goal is to increase the Wi-Fi range/speed as I've heard that getting a new router that isn't the stock one can get you your advertised speeds, also extra range would be nice, as our toilet is like an anechoic chamber, and everyone enjoys a bit of YouTube whilst dropping anchor. 

The “best” way to did this is to put your ISP’s router into bridge mode (what ISP do you have, what is the modem number on your modem/router?) and then use your own higher performance router.