HELP

[IreneWasTaken]

I need help can you use a GTX 1650 Super with only 170 watts and what would happen if you tried it? I really want to get into gaming and I don't want to break my PC.
I have a i3 core with 2 cores not the best but it works I know you can run a GTX 1650 Super with only a 240 psu but if you have 18 cores on your cpu then that's where it like not breaks but not turning on if you know what I mean but how about i3 GTX 1650 Super only 2 cores with 170 watts I feel like it would work?

[Tech87]

22 minutes ago, IreneWasTaken said:

I need help can you use a GTX 1650 Super with only 170 watts and what would happen if you tried it? I really want to get into gaming and I don't want to break my PC.
I have a i3 core with 2 cores not the best but it works I know you can run a GTX 1650 Super with only a 240 psu but if you have 18 cores on your cpu then that's where it like not breaks but not turning on if you know what I mean but how about i3 GTX 1650 Super only 2 cores with 170 watts I feel like it would work?

Are you saying you only have a 170w power supply?

 

I definitely wouldn't even try if so.

[mariushm]

The answer as usual is ... it depends on the power supply.

 

GTX 1650 Super consumes up to around 95 watts from the 12v output of your power supply.  If your model has no extra 6 pin pci-e connector, then it will consume less than 75 watts, because that's the maximum allowed to be taken from pci-e slot on the motherboard.

 

Your 2 core i3 will probably consume up to 20-30 watts from the 12v output, stuff on the motherboard will consume maybe around 10 watts from the 12v output, fans will consume maybe 1-2 watts,  a mechanical hard drive will consume around 5 watts from 12v.

 

So your power supply would have to supply AT LEAST  95w + 30w + 10w + 10w = around 145 watts on the 12v output.

 

While the power supply is 170 watts, that may not be ALL on the 12v output - a portion of that 170 watts may be reserved for 5v or 3.3v 

You really have to read the label on the power supply, and see how much current (the value with A at the end) the power supply can provide ... so for example, if it says 12v 10A  then it means the power supply can provide a maximum of 12v x 10A = 120 watts on the 12v output.

 

5v is used to power ram slots (maybe 2-3 watts per stick of ram , usb keyboard, mice, onboard audio and network card)

 

The system will boot with the video card, because in 2D and while watching movies, the card won't consume more than 10-15 watts.

 

You could play with the power budget of the video card, I would guess lowering the power limits - using a software like MSI Afterburner or nVidia's control power - by around 10% would probably make the card consume closer to 65-75 watts.

 

[--SID--]

46 minutes ago, IreneWasTaken said:

can you use a GTX 1650 Super with only 170 watts

NO!! 1650 Super needs a 6 pin PCI-e from the PSU. There are no 170w (240w also) PSUs with a 6 pin PCI-e connector. Molex/sata to PCI-e adapters are not recommanded.

[Tech87]

FYI - Nvidia recommends a 350w power supply for the 1650 Super.

 

IMO you're playing with fire if you use it on your 170w power supply.

 

Good luck!

[IreneWasTaken]

21 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The answer as usual is ... it depends on the power supply.

 

GTX 1650 Super consumes up to around 95 watts from the 12v output of your power supply.  If your model has no extra 6 pin pci-e connector, then it will consume less than 75 watts, because that's the maximum allowed to be taken from pci-e slot on the motherboard.

 

Your 2 core i3 will probably consume up to 20-30 watts from the 12v output, stuff on the motherboard will consume maybe around 10 watts from the 12v output, fans will consume maybe 1-2 watts,  a mechanical hard drive will consume around 5 watts from 12v.

 

So your power supply would have to supply AT LEAST  95w + 30w + 10w + 10w = around 145 watts on the 12v output.

 

While the power supply is 170 watts, that may not be ALL on the 12v output - a portion of that 170 watts may be reserved for 5v or 3.3v 

You really have to read the label on the power supply, and see how much current (the value with A at the end) the power supply can provide ... so for example, if it says 12v 10A  then it means the power supply can provide a maximum of 12v x 10A = 120 watts on the 12v output.

 

5v is used to power ram slots (maybe 2-3 watts per stick of ram , usb keyboard, mice, onboard audio and network card)

 

The system will boot with the video card, because in 2D and while watching movies, the card won't consume more than 10-15 watts.

 

You could play with the power budget of the video card, I would guess lowering the power limits - using a software like MSI Afterburner or nVidia's control power - by around 10% would probably make the card consume closer to 65-75 watts.

 

Thank you so much I will get MSI after burner your smart damn you actually wrote all that so your saying it will work and I will play games if I put it down to 10% how much undervolt do I put it at? for 10% and what type of games any games?

[IreneWasTaken]

8 minutes ago, Tech87 said:

FYI - Nvidia recommends a 350w power supply for the 1650 Super.

 

IMO you're playing with fire if you use it on your 170w power supply.

 

Good luck!

it'll catch on fire ;-; damn

[IreneWasTaken]

42 minutes ago, Tech87 said:

Are you saying you only have a 170w power supply?

 

I definitely wouldn't even try if so.

Im 66 years old so 

[mariushm]

5 minutes ago, --SID-- said:

NO!! 1650 Super needs a 6 pin PCI-e from the PSU. There are no 170w (240w also) PSUs with a 6 pin PCI-e connector. Molex/sata to PCI-e adapters are not recommanded.

The card needs a 6 pin pci-e connector because at 95w, it consumes more than the maximum permitted to be taken from pci-e slot, which is 65w on 12v and 10w on 3.3v .

The card will pull maybe 20-30w from the 6 pin pci-e connector, which is perfectly possible to be provided using a molex -> pci-e 6 pin adapter ( a single molex connector is rated for up to 5A or 60w)

 

There's perfectly good 270-360w power supplies in OEM systems which can provide 250-320w on 12v, but come without pci-e connectors because the systems originally came with integrated graphics. Lack of pci-e connectors is not an indicator that the power supply is capable or not of providing enough power.

 

8 minutes ago, Tech87 said:

FYI - Nvidia recommends a 350w power supply for the 1650 Super.

 

IMO you're playing with fire if you use it on your 170w power supply.

 

Good luck!

nVidia recommends a 350 watts power supply  because nVidia has no way of knowing how much current a power supply provides on just 12v, which is what powers the CPU and the video card. nVidia also doesn't know what CPU you're gonna use (a 20w dual core, or a 80w quad core) and doesn't know if you're gonna use a SSD or 6 mechanical hard drives.

The 350w value is "cover our ass" value, it has no real life meaning.

 

People in poorer countries or where they have smaller paychecks will often buy cheap power supplies which will be missleading.

For example, have a look at this "400w" power supply on Amazon India : https://www.amazon.in/Artis-VIP400R-power-Power-Supply/dp/B01J7NDQ7O/

If you zoom on the picture with the label, you will notice it says 12v 20A   and 240w max  on the 12v output

So in reality, IF the label is honest and the power supply can even do that much, this would be a "real" 300w power supply.

 

Here's a "450w" power supply, the label says max 300w on 12v output and I'm 80% sure even that's a lie: https://www.amazon.in/Techbloggers-Economic-Power-Supply-PS450W/dp/B08WPFVQKQ/

 

Or another "450w" power supply, that can only do 18A on 12v or 216 watts, if you trust the label : https://www.amazon.in/Intex-Techno-Watts-Economy-Supply/dp/B084QCTS9Z/

 

So like I said, by saying 350w minimum, nVidia is simply hoping you'd go for a more expensive power supply, which won't shit itself when it has to give 150-200w to the components in your system (75-95w of that being the video card)

 

There are 300-400w power supplies that don't lie about their capabilities. THe ones in OEM computers like Dell, HP, Lenovo don't.

 

Here's an example of a retail model that can do up to 288w out of 300w on 12v output and yet it has NO pci-e connectors - perfectly safe to use adapters to make pci-e connectors : https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-ss-300es-bronze-300w/p/N82E16817151085

 

[IreneWasTaken]

5 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The card needs a 6 pin pci-e connector because at 95w, it consumes more than the maximum permitted to be taken from pci-e slot, which is 65w on 12v and 10w on 3.3v .

The card will pull maybe 20-30w from the 6 pin pci-e connector, which is perfectly possible to be provided using a molex -> pci-e 6 pin adapter ( a single molex connector is rated for up to 5A or 60w)

 

There's perfectly good 270-360w power supplies in OEM systems which can provide 250-320w on 12v, but come without pci-e connectors because the systems originally came with integrated graphics. Lack of pci-e connectors is not an indicator that the power supply is capable or not of providing enough power.

 

nVidia recommends a 350 watts power supply  because nVidia has no way of knowing how much current a power supply provides on just 12v, which is what powers the CPU and the video card. nVidia also doesn't know what CPU you're gonna use (a 20w dual core, or a 80w quad core) and doesn't know if you're gonna use a SSD or 6 mechanical hard drives.

The 350w value is "cover our ass" value, it has no real life meaning.

 

People in poorer countries or where they have smaller paychecks will often buy cheap power supplies which will be missleading.

For example, have a look at this "400w" power supply on Amazon India : https://www.amazon.in/Artis-VIP400R-power-Power-Supply/dp/B01J7NDQ7O/

If you zoom on the picture with the label, you will notice it says 12v 20A   and 240w max  on the 12v output

So in reality, IF the label is honest and the power supply can even do that much, this would be a "real" 300w power supply.

 

Here's a "450w" power supply, the label says max 300w on 12v output and I'm 80% sure even that's a lie: https://www.amazon.in/Techbloggers-Economic-Power-Supply-PS450W/dp/B08WPFVQKQ/

 

Or another "450w" power supply, that can only do 18A on 12v or 216 watts, if you trust the label : https://www.amazon.in/Intex-Techno-Watts-Economy-Supply/dp/B084QCTS9Z/

 

So like I said, by saying 350w minimum, nVidia is simply hoping you'd go for a more expensive power supply, which won't shit itself when it has to give 150-200w to the components in your system (75-95w of that being the video card)

 

There are 300-400w power supplies that don't lie about their capabilities. THe ones in OEM computers like Dell, HP, Lenovo don't.

 

Here's an example of a retail model that can do up to 288w out of 300w on 12v output and yet it has NO pci-e connectors - perfectly safe to use adapters to make pci-e connectors : https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-ss-300es-bronze-300w/p/N82E16817151085

 

Do you have discord? im not like some bad kid that's tryna scam you or something I just need help with this

I really want to start gaming

[mariushm]

14 minutes ago, IreneWasTaken said:

Thank you so much I will get MSI after burner your smart damn you actually wrote all that so your saying it will work and I will play games if I put it down to 10% how much undervolt do I put it at? for 10% and what type of games any games?

 

NO.

 

I'm saying PROVIDED THE POWER SUPPLY CAN PROVIDE AT LEAST 150W OUT OF THOSE 170W ON 12V OUTPUT, then there's a good chance you'd be able to play games without the computer shutting down or without having crashes.

You have to check the power supply capabilities.

 

Even then, it's not a good idea to play games for hours and have that power supply run at 90% or more of its capabilities for so long periods of time.

 

The computer WILL start with the video card, because like I said, the video card consumes only as much as it needs, so when you're not gaming the video card will consume very little, let's say under 10 watts.  In Windows, watching videos on Youtube, the card won't consume more than 15 watts.

When you start a game, the power consumption will jump to 70-95w and if it's too much, the computer will shut down.  

 

[IreneWasTaken]

7 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The card needs a 6 pin pci-e connector because at 95w, it consumes more than the maximum permitted to be taken from pci-e slot, which is 65w on 12v and 10w on 3.3v .

The card will pull maybe 20-30w from the 6 pin pci-e connector, which is perfectly possible to be provided using a molex -> pci-e 6 pin adapter ( a single molex connector is rated for up to 5A or 60w)

 

There's perfectly good 270-360w power supplies in OEM systems which can provide 250-320w on 12v, but come without pci-e connectors because the systems originally came with integrated graphics. Lack of pci-e connectors is not an indicator that the power supply is capable or not of providing enough power.

 

nVidia recommends a 350 watts power supply  because nVidia has no way of knowing how much current a power supply provides on just 12v, which is what powers the CPU and the video card. nVidia also doesn't know what CPU you're gonna use (a 20w dual core, or a 80w quad core) and doesn't know if you're gonna use a SSD or 6 mechanical hard drives.

The 350w value is "cover our ass" value, it has no real life meaning.

 

People in poorer countries or where they have smaller paychecks will often buy cheap power supplies which will be missleading.

For example, have a look at this "400w" power supply on Amazon India : https://www.amazon.in/Artis-VIP400R-power-Power-Supply/dp/B01J7NDQ7O/

If you zoom on the picture with the label, you will notice it says 12v 20A   and 240w max  on the 12v output

So in reality, IF the label is honest and the power supply can even do that much, this would be a "real" 300w power supply.

 

Here's a "450w" power supply, the label says max 300w on 12v output and I'm 80% sure even that's a lie: https://www.amazon.in/Techbloggers-Economic-Power-Supply-PS450W/dp/B08WPFVQKQ/

 

Or another "450w" power supply, that can only do 18A on 12v or 216 watts, if you trust the label : https://www.amazon.in/Intex-Techno-Watts-Economy-Supply/dp/B084QCTS9Z/

 

So like I said, by saying 350w minimum, nVidia is simply hoping you'd go for a more expensive power supply, which won't shit itself when it has to give 150-200w to the components in your system (75-95w of that being the video card)

 

There are 300-400w power supplies that don't lie about their capabilities. THe ones in OEM computers like Dell, HP, Lenovo don't.

 

Here's an example of a retail model that can do up to 288w out of 300w on 12v output and yet it has NO pci-e connectors - perfectly safe to use adapters to make pci-e connectors : https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-ss-300es-bronze-300w/p/N82E16817151085

 

so are you saying my psu is enough to use a GTX 1650 Super and it won't explode in my face

[IreneWasTaken]

Just now, mariushm said:

 

NO.

 

I'm saying PROVIDED THE POWER SUPPLY CAN PROVIDE AT LEAST 150W OUT OF THOSE 170W ON 12V OUTPUT, then there's a good chance you'd be able to play games without the computer shutting down or without having crashes.

You have to check the power supply capabilities.

 

Even then, it's not a good idea to play games for hours and have that power supply run at 90% or more of its capabilities for so long periods of time.

 

The computer WILL start with the video card, because like I said, the video card consumes only as much as it needs, so when you're not gaming the video card will consume very little, let's say under 10 watts.  In Windows, watching videos on Youtube, the card won't consume more than 15 watts.

When you start a game, the power consumption will jump to 70-95w and if it's too much, the computer will shut down.  

 

thats helpful but what if I undervolt it like not all the way down but more than 10% maybe like 25%

[mariushm]

19 minutes ago, IreneWasTaken said:

thats helpful but what if I undervolt it like not all the way down but more than 10% maybe like 25%

You can't. It's usually a slider with  -10% ... + 10% 

Going all the way to -10% may lower the power consumption from 95w peak to maybe 75-80w peak... basically the equivalent of a regular GTX 1650.

 

That's PEAK power consumption... your video card may not consume that much because it could be limited by the slow processor, or by a lower resolution of your monitor (for example if your monitor is 1366x768 or 1440x900), may not be used fully by the game you're playing (older games don't use all the features of modern video cards, so the card won't be used near its maximum)

 

 

[IreneWasTaken]

34 minutes ago, mariushm said:

 

NO.

 

I'm saying PROVIDED THE POWER SUPPLY CAN PROVIDE AT LEAST 150W OUT OF THOSE 170W ON 12V OUTPUT, then there's a good chance you'd be able to play games without the computer shutting down or without having crashes.

You have to check the power supply capabilities.

 

Even then, it's not a good idea to play games for hours and have that power supply run at 90% or more of its capabilities for so long periods of time.

 

The computer WILL start with the video card, because like I said, the video card consumes only as much as it needs, so when you're not gaming the video card will consume very little, let's say under 10 watts.  In Windows, watching videos on Youtube, the card won't consume more than 15 watts.

When you start a game, the power consumption will jump to 70-95w and if it's too much, the computer will shut down.  

 

WAIT nvm I have 240 watts I just checked

[IreneWasTaken]

11 minutes ago, mariushm said:

You can't. It's usually a slider with  -10% ... + 10% 

Going all the way to -10% may lower the power consumption from 95w peak to maybe 75-80w peak... basically the equivalent of a regular GTX 1650.

 

That's PEAK power consumption... your video card may not consume that much because it could be limited by the slow processor, or by a lower resolution of your monitor (for example if your monitor is 1366x768 or 1440x900), may not be used fully by the game you're playing (older games don't use all the features of modern video cards, so the card won't be used near its maximum)

 

 

I have 240 watts not 170 I just checked sorry for confusing you

[--SID--]

7 hours ago, IreneWasTaken said:

I have 240 watts

Brand and model?

[IreneWasTaken]

I fixed it right now I have the GTX 1650 Super I actually installed it like 3 or 4 days ago 

thanks for your help