windows 11 Windows 11 Issues

[mikevittorio12]

Hello, I have just finished building my new gaming pc, and I tried to install Windows 11. But it is saying that I need to enable secure boot. The issue is that I already have secure boot on and no matter what I change the settings to, nothing works. I have a ROG x570-e motherboard with a Ryzen 7 5800x. If someone could help me out that would be awesome. 

[GuiltySpark_]

Is the BIOS up to date? Is fTPM enabled?

 

It seems like you're trying to upgrade not install fresh?

[mikevittorio12]

5 minutes ago, rickeo said:

Is the BIOS up to date? Is fTPM enabled?

 

It seems like you're trying to upgrade not install fresh?

So i originally tried to fresh install, but it kept giving me an error, so i booted into win10 just to see. Ftpm is good, its just the secure boot that is giving me the error. Also I do believe the bios to be updated, at least thats what it says in the mobo software.  

[GoodBytes]

Ambiguity issue:

On the picture you are only showing UEFI being enabled. 

This is not Secure Boot, if that is what you inferring.

 

[mikevittorio12]

15 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Ambiguity issue:

On the picture you are only showing UEFI being enabled. 

This is not Secure Boot, if that is what you inferring.

 

Oh then what should i do to enable it? Because thats the only setting I see. 

[GoodBytes]

20 minutes ago, mikevittorio12 said:

Oh then what should i do to enable it? Because thats the only setting I see. 

So first things first, make sure you have the latest UEFI update installed.

Then looking at page 72 and 73 of your motherboard manual:

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_X570-E_GAMING/E15826_ROG_STRIX_X570-E_GAMING_UM_v2_WEB.pdf

 

It says that under the Boot menu, you should have the option: CSM (Compatibility Support Module) and that should be Disabled

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Warning: If this option was Enabled, it means that your UEFI was going into BIOS emulation mode, and so the drive was formatted incorrectly. BIOS can only interact with drive formatted as MBR, and UEFI can only interact with drive formatted as GPT (don't look at me.. this is the UEFI consortium decision.. I am sure there was technical reasons for this. This is extreme low level stuff.). So you need to convert MBR to GPT. Windows 10 features a built-in conversion tool, which is real nice, as normally it would require a format and re-install. Of course, like doing any drive configuration changes, it is critical to backup your data first. If things goes bad, data won't be recoverable. Better be safe, and spend the extra time to do a backup, at least of valuable data that can't be required (example: family pictures, important documents) then to be sorry. 

 

Here is a guide in using Windows 10 MBR to GPT conversion tool:

Of course, you'll need to do the conversion before disabling CSM, as the UEFI doesn't understand GPT, so it won't find the OS launch it.

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Then, once CSM is Disabled (if it wasn't already), you should have the option to enable Secure Boot that should be accessible. Enable it, and you should be good to go (Save and quit UEFI)

[D-reaper]

22 minutes ago, mikevittorio12 said:

Oh then what should i do to enable it? Because thats the only setting I see. 

11 seems like such a hassle given this. Glad I went to Linux.

 

Anyway, you are probably better off going to Team OS and getting a lite mod with all the TPM and CPU check crap removed. Not only that, but you'll most likely have better performance with all the bloat removed.

 

That is how I can use 11 just fine with my GPU pass through setup on top of Linux. Because I am using a clean image of Windows that isn't from MS.

[GoodBytes]

17 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

11 seems like such a hassle given this. Glad I went to Linux.

• It's not a hassle. This was SUPPOSED to be done by the user the moment they bough their system.
   
• It isn't Microsoft fault if you have some people who don't read the manual, and don't set their system up correctly after building it. (I don't blame the user. I blame YouTuber's to not educate the public (sorry Linus, but it is true) and Motherboard manufacture for not educating the public... we had the same issue with SATA Controller mode a few years back.. most people has theirs on IDE emulation mode, instead of AHCI, locking them out from some serious real world performance benefits (imagine running your GPU on PCI-E Gen 1 instead of Gen 4. Or have your CPU set to single core only, instead to it's 4-6-8+ core it has.. that kind of deal). Not helped that many YouTubers encourage tossing out the manual, or skipping it, not to mention the included driver disk, which is actually important to get the SATA controller drivers to install Windows (at the Windows setup screen), when AHCI mode was all new back in the days.
   
• It isn't Microsoft fault that Motherboard manufactures in the DIY space (doesn't affect pre-builds, they set that part up correctly) set their default settings as if you are going to install Windows XP, as it "works" under the latest version of Windows (at the time 10, due to its incredible backward compatibility). It';s not good that they go "Let's reduce support calls by setting everything to legacy mode in the case we have that 1 user that might install XP. Not our problem for everyone else, they should know.... I mean we don't even know half our settings we put in the BIOS/UEFI, LOL!!!! I mean look at our manuals!!! LOLz! Oh this reminds me, where is that intern guy... the only employee we have making our UEFIs... he is late on his UEFI release for new  $600 motherboard coming up! Maybe we should fire him and get another intern".

 

These issues also affects Linux. Secure Boot is a security features, and should be enabled to protect against rootkits which replaces the OS bootloader, to boot itself first, gaining super user privilege on the CPU has now your OS, nor any security software can detect it, and has control and monitoring of your system.

 

17 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

Anyway, you are probably better off going to Team OS and getting a lite mod with all the TPM and CPU check crap removed. Not only that, but you'll most likely have better performance with all the bloat removed.

Ah yes, let's fix a problem by suggesting the user to go with unsupported, hacked up, release of an OS that goes against the EULA, and causes him to have a broken experience only to blame it on "Windows" even if it was his doing, and  have to living with a broken experience. I get your agenda that you want people to have a horrible experience with Windows in the hope of using Linux. But Linux is a chore, and has MANY problems. Some of them have not been fixed since early 2000... maybe it needs another big profile YouTuber to expose these flaws to finally stop dismissing people reports of these issues, and actual

[D-reaper]

38 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

It's not a hassle. This was SUPPOSED to be done by the user the moment they bough their system.

 

It isn't Microsoft fault if you have some people who don't read the manual, and don't set their system up correctly after building it. (I don't blame the user. I blame YouTuber's to not educate the public (sorry Linus, but it is true) and Motherboard manufacture for not educating the public... we had the same issue with SATA Controller mode a few years back.. most people has theirs on IDE emulation mode, instead of AHCI, locking them on serious performance benefits (imagine running your GPU on PCI-E Gen 1 instead of Gen 4. Or have your CPU set to single core only, instead to it's 4-6-8+ core it has)

 

It isn't Microsoft fault that Motherboard manufactures in the DIY space (doesn't affect pre-builds, they set that part up correctly) set their default settings as if you are going to install Windows XP, as it "works" under the latest version of Windows (at the time 10, due to its incredible backward compatibility), that they go "Let's set reduce support calls, from people that might install XP, and set everything in legacy mode.... not my problem for everyone else, they should know.... I mean we don't even know half our settings we put in the BIOS/UEFI, LOL!!!! I mean look at our manuals!!! LOLz! Oh this reminds me, where is that intern guy... the only employee we have making our UEFIs... he is late on his UEFI release for new motherboard coming up! Maybe we should fire him and get another intern".

 

Ah yes, let's fix a problem by suggesting the user to go with unsupported, hacked up, release of an OS that goes against the EULA, and causes him to have a broken experience only to blame it on "Windows" even if it was his doing, and  have to living with a broken experience. I get your agenda that you want people to have a horrible experience with Windows in the hope of using Linux. But Linux is a chore, and has MANY problems. Some of them have not been fixed since early 2000... maybe it needs another big profile YouTuber to expose these flaws to finally stop dismissing people reports of these issues, and actual

You respond like a teenager. Are you teenager?

 

Now, my suggestion is swift fix compared to all this. Maybe MS shouldn't have deployed this on their latest OS. It seems to have taken people 3 steps back. Because if the guy is turning UEFI  secure boot on and Windows is still complaining, clearly doing things this way isn't helping.

 

Oh, and who cares about the EULA? Do you read it word for word? I bet not.

 

FYI, I don't care if people use Linux or not. But I will say there are better and cleaner options than going the standard MS route with this forced crap that has been placed upon them. Which is why I was saying get a modded image of Windows and be done with it.

[GoodBytes]

15 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

Well, my suggestion is swift fix compared to all this. Maybe MS shouldn't have deployed this on their latest OS. Huh?

Why MS should not implement UEFI Security feature?

MS had this feature supported since Windows 8. Required all OEMs and System Builders to set it correctly (meaning Secure Boot enabled), while providing the option to turn it off, as per contract in order to have the right to sale their system with Windows. They are contractually obligated. As Microsoft can provide control for these companies (else they have to purchase Windows at full price like anyone else. Not enjoy large scale licensing). All pre-builds from OEMs has, as a result, no issues. 

 

You have a few Linux distros that also has support for it, and recommends to have it enabled as well, such as Ubuntu

 

The issue are the minority of DIY system builders (like you and me), who builds their own systems, who were not forced to set things up correctly.. until Windows 11.

 

I also remind you that Microsoft has develop a tool to CONVERT to pass from MBR to GPT. Something that was totally not required for them to do for the minority of users, Microsoft could have simply said: "Too bad, set your stuff up correctly, format and re-install". But they didn't. They made a tool, which is, in my opinion, very nice, considering the low market share of affected systems. This tool as in Windows 10, giving lots of time for people to convert and setup their system correctly, for those who were not, reducing down time.

 

15 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

Oh, and who cares about the EULA? Do you read it word for word? I bet not.

What do you mean "who cares". It is considered piracy, with legal ramifications if not followed. You are also downloading an OS.. a software that operates your system (hence the name: Operating System), the core essential software that makes your computer nothing more then a terrible door stop without it. The one piece of software you don't want to pirate and you don't want to have any modifications done to it. 

[D-reaper]

17 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Why MS should not implement UEFI Security feature?

MS had this feature since Windows 8. Required all OEMs and System Builders to set it correctly (meaning Secure Boot enabled), while providing the option to turn it off, as per contract in order to have the right to sale their system with Windows. They are contractually obligated. As Microsoft can provide control for these companies (else they have to purchase Windows at full price like anyone else. Not enjoy large scale licensing). All pre-builds from OEMs has, as a result, no issues. 

 

The issue are the minority of DIY system builders (like you and me), who builds their own systems, who were not forced to set things up correctly.. until Windows 11.

 

I also remind you that Microsoft has develop a tool to CONVERT to pass from MBR to GPT. Something that was totally not required for them to do for the minority of users, Microsoft could have simply said: "Too bad, set your stuff up correctly, format and re-install". But they didn't. They made a tool, which is, in my opinion, very nice, considering the low market share of affected systems.

 

 

What do you mean "who cares". It is considered piracy, with legal ramifications if not followed. You are also downloading an OS.. a software that operates your system (hence the name: Operating System), the core essential software that makes your computer nothing more than a terrible door stop without it. The one piece of software you don't want to pirate, you don't want to have any modifications done to it. 

You really are going out of your way to defend MS's actions. Aren't you? Meanwhile they steal data from you? I'd say tit for tat in this regard. If they steal from us, why can't we pirate their stuff?

 

At least with the mods, those call home features that take your data are removed. So I'd feel safer with those than with the stock image from MS.

 

BTW, you say Linux has many problems. But to me, that's an ambiguous statement. Care to empathize on what problems those are? For me, for the past year, I've been problem free; along with my entire household who uses Linux daily on their computers. I fail to see your point.

[GoodBytes]

43 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

You really are going out of your way to defend MS's actions.

There is nothing to defend Microsoft of. UEFI has nothing to do with Windows. Windows 8 and up fully support UEFI. That is all. (Partial support for Windows 7, and little support for Vista.. mainly for support for support for single partitions of 2TB or larger, and that is about it)
 

If  you have any disagreement, you can complain to the following companies:

https://uefi.org/members

Or board of directors:

https://uefi.org/board

 

Mainly Intel, who started it all, and is at the head of it all.

 

 

43 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

Aren't you? Meanwhile they steal data from you? I'd say tit for tat in this regard.

Off topic. And Microsoft privacy policy are clear. No one cared for Windows 7 and 8 when you needed, like Google, a team of lawyers to understand. Now written in plain English, all available online grouped together, because the company has switch to be more transparent, and now "panic panic panic", thanks to click bait article. Then once you actually dive in, you quickly discover that it is all over blown. Example: "Microsoft has access to my files!!!! when I upload my files to OneDrive.. to be able to, well, deliver the service it wants to provide.. and has to comply with government regulations regarding child pornography and data access requested based on the country laws where the data is stored.... oh.. yea.. obviously....". I won't go for everything.. this is off topic, you can read it through.

 

All data collected are documented. Telemetry data collected can be viewed in the OS. Microsoft provides a tool that you can use to confirm the data being delivered. No identifiable information is used in regards to that.

 

Of course, using other services and apps, such as Edge and Bing, or an app using Bing ads platform... does have data collection... but Bing was there long before Windows 8, and, same for the OS web browser. IE before, Edge now. Point being, everyone (most) seemed to accept it back then, and now.. not?! Worse is that mass number of users switch from Firefox, who was treating personal info seriously (ignoring what sites could collect) to Chrome, who tracks you even in incognito mode, fooling you in the sense of privacy... it doesn't do much beyond not saving cookies and history... not very "incognito".

 

I will agree that having an opt-out option should be there.

 

43 minutes ago, D-reaper said:

At least with the mods, those call home features that take your data are removed.

I guess. or modified to collect personal info and/or rerouted to another non Microsoft server. I mean.. you have no guarantee.

[D-reaper]

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

If  you have any disagreement, you can complain to the following companies:

https://uefi.org/members

Or board of directors:

https://uefi.org/board

 

Mainly Intel, who started it all, and is at the head of it all.

Or you can stop being such a sheep and stop supporting this.

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

Off topic. And Microsoft privacy policy are clear. No one cared for Windows 7 and 8 when you needed, like Google, a team of lawyers to understand. Now written in plain English, all available online grouped together, because the company has switch to be more transparent, and now "panic panic panic", thanks to click bait article. Then once you actually dive in, you quickly discover that it is all over blown. Example: "Microsoft has access to my files!!!! when I upload my files to OneDrive.. to be able to, well, deliver the service it wants to provide.. and has to comply with government regulations regarding child pornography and data access requested based on the country laws where the data is stored.... oh.. yea.. obviously....". I won't go for everything.. this is off topic, you can read it through.

 

All data collected are documented. Telemetry data collected can be viewed in the OS. Microsoft provides a tool that you can use to confirm the data being delivered.

No identifiable information is used in regards to that.

 

Of course, using other services and apps, such as Edge and Bing, or an app using Bing ads platform... does have data collection... but Bing was there long before Windows 8, and, same for the OS web browser. IE before, Edge now.

 

I will agree that having an opt-out option should be there.

I didn't care to read all this. You respond like a teenager. Anyway, what about the people who are forced to use MS accounts just to use their computer? Do they have a say? How can you trust the tool is saying that your computer isn't sending personal identification to MS's server? A tool from MS no less?

 

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

I guess. or modified to collect personal info and/or rerouted to another non Microsoft server. I mean.. you have no guarantee.

You guess? You seem very manipulated.

 

And no. A Windows mod that isn't managed by MS itself. Much like Windows 10 AME. Now that's better. I trust a small community of developers more than I would trust a company whose only goal is just to make profit and steal data in any way they can from their end users.