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48 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

If ddr5 wouldnt have that limited temperature scaling, 8000cl40 would be doable at around 1.56v when using the ddr5 6000 cl36 1.3v hynix kits.

But overclockability looks real bad for ddr5 right now ;(

Just gotta keep waiting. It'll mature and we'll see some memory that scales well. It's way early in the game.

 

Intel got the ddr4 memory controller right at 8000 series core eye seven.

 

That's was 3 years after ddr4 was released.

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Thank you all for your input.

 

I've decided not to pursue this at this time.

 

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3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I've decided not to pursue this at this time.

 

This is subsequently the time every time, to be conservative. 

Though yea, Zen3D will take it's throne probably in 1H 2022

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6 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

 

This is subsequently the time every time, to be conservative. 

Though yea, Zen3D will take it's throne probably in 1H 2022

Maybe I'll try for more aggressive OCs on what I've got for now. Disable HT, try to get this sucker to 5.4ghz

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5 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Maybe I'll try for more aggressive OCs on what I've got for now. Disable HT, try to get this sucker to 5.4ghz

Just for kicks - how much watts would the OC-ed 10900KF use (under max (AVX2) loads), reported by some software thing (Like OCCT or similar)?

Wondering, because my AC Liquid Freezer II gets a bit overwhelmed even at 200W (12600K)

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9 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Thank you all for your input.

 

I've decided not to pursue this at this time.

 

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Granted it'd be with a 6800xt and not directly comparable to the benchmarks above, but if you remind me here in a week or so, or if I remember, I'll run some benchmarks with the 5800x and compare to the 12900k. I'm going to keep the RAM I've got now so it'll be 2x16 3200mhz. I don't think I'm going to gain hardly any performance from the swap, if any. 

I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems.

I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. 

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22 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Just for kicks - how much watts would the OC-ed 10900KF use (under max (AVX2) loads), reported by some software thing (Like OCCT or similar)?

Wondering, because my AC Liquid Freezer II gets a bit overwhelmed even at 200W (12600K)

in CBR23 at full load, 1.29v vdrooped, it pulls around 225w (51x mulitplier, 48x cache).

 

Haven't tried those stress tests; I usually just use RealBench which reports similar numbers.

 

EDIT: Thermally, the H150i manages to keep it around 80c at full tilt. That said, HT is a huge thermal burden so disabling that would allow for much more voltage than 1.29v load. 

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44 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

in CBR23 at full load, 1.29v vdrooped, it pulls around 225w (51x mulitplier, 48x cache).

 

Haven't tried those stress tests; I usually just use RealBench which reports similar numbers.

 

EDIT: Thermally, the H150i manages to keep it around 80c at full tilt. That said, HT is a huge thermal burden so disabling that would allow for much more voltage than 1.29v load. 

HT also takes away some of that per core epeen. Should see better figures even without pushing frequency, just by shutting HT off.

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1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

HT also takes away some of that per core epeen. Should see better figures even without pushing frequency, just by shutting HT off.

I actually tested this a while ago, and yep single core does improve with HT disabled even at the same frequency.

 

Maybe I'll fiddle with it later.

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26 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I actually tested this a while ago, and yep single core does improve with HT disabled even at the same frequency.

 

Maybe I'll fiddle with it later.

When I was benching 3D last year (legacy benchmarks mostly) that's exactly what I did. 3DMark06 doesn't scale past 6 cores, so the extra threads made the scores substantially lower. Let's never mind the fact that 3DMark really loves fast tight memory and high cache freq. 

 

Intel's only bummer is power draw. The heat you can deal with by applying a great cooling system, but this is all diminishing returns for the $$ spent. That's why I found it more cost effective to run "geothermal" or what you might call tap to drain liquid cooling. Ground water is cheap and F'n cold. Always a constant delta with very little swing over many hours of weather change. 

 

Custom loop, hundreds of dollars, 100$+ for block alone.... isn't cheap, but still restricted to your end cooling solution, THE ROOM TEMP, or ambient as professionally used. I found it a waste of money for Benchmarking.

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On 11/27/2021 at 12:32 PM, ShrimpBrime said:

When I was benching 3D last year (legacy benchmarks mostly) that's exactly what I did. 3DMark06 doesn't scale past 6 cores, so the extra threads made the scores substantially lower. Let's never mind the fact that 3DMark really loves fast tight memory and high cache freq. 

 

Intel's only bummer is power draw. The heat you can deal with by applying a great cooling system, but this is all diminishing returns for the $$ spent. That's why I found it more cost effective to run "geothermal" or what you might call tap to drain liquid cooling. Ground water is cheap and F'n cold. Always a constant delta with very little swing over many hours of weather change. 

 

Custom loop, hundreds of dollars, 100$+ for block alone.... isn't cheap, but still restricted to your end cooling solution, THE ROOM TEMP, or ambient as professionally used. I found it a waste of money for Benchmarking.

Minor update: ordered the $2.99 LGA 1700 retrofit kit from Corsair..."just in case" 

 

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23 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Minor update: ordered the $2.99 LGA 1700 retrofit kit from Corsair..."just in case" 

 

 

 

That's not what I meant.... lol. XD. Nice emoji though!! 😄 

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2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That's not what I meant.... lol. XD. Nice emoji though!! 😄 

they tend to go oos on stuff. in the event i stumble upon amazon bucks that have nowhere to go....i'd like to know that i can use my cooler still, even if it is a peasant AIO

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1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

they tend to go oos on stuff. in the event i stumble upon amazon bucks that have nowhere to go....i'd like to know that i can use my cooler still, even if it is a peasant AIO

Manufacturers have supplied updated brackets for AIO for a long time, often times free. 3 bucks, close enough!

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3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Manufacturers have supplied updated brackets for AIO for a long time, often times free. 3 bucks, close enough!

i tried getting a replacement PCIE cable for a year from them, it was just oos forever. So I figured why not.

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