Need help with New Setup.

[theZanyone11]

Hello. So I have this problem/conflict that i need help for. Thanks in Advance

 

THE PROBLEM:

I just moved into a new room in my house were the Wi-Fi strength is poor from the main router (Router 1). Therefore, I got a cheap router (Router 2) and drilled some holes to pass an ethernet cable from the main router (Router 1) to the second one (Router 2)  But my parents have this tendancy of switching off the main router while I am gaming [:(] which renders the second router useless.

So, I am looking for a way to use Router 2 even when Router 1 is switched off. And for above mentioned reasons the method should be passive and thus cannot be turned off.

Also when Router 1 is turned on everything should remain working as before. (as other devices connect to Router 1 only)

• The ISP provided cable is plugged into the WAN of Router 1 and requires PPPoE Username and Password (which I know).
• The ethernet cable used is plugged into the LAN of Router 1 and WAN of Router 2.
• Router 1 - D-Link DIR-600M 
• Router 2 - Tenda N3 N150

   

[Oshino Shinobu]

Short of installing a second line, you need router 1 to be on in order to maintain an internet connection. When it's turned off, router 2 has no way of getting an internet connection without switching the cable with the ISP connection into router 2. 

 

Why have you got the LAN from router 1 plugged into WAN on router 2? You've put yourself behind another layer of NAT and you'll have trouble accessing any local devices connected to router 1. Plug it in to the LAN port on router 2, or better yet, buy a switch instead as you don't need a 2nd router for what you're doing. 

 

Best solution is to kindly ask your parents to stop turning off the router.

[theZanyone11]

Thanks for the reply,

 

Yes that is more or less the problem, i was hoping for a way to either bypass Router 1 while it was off or using some kind of module to achieve the result I wanted.

 

As the answer to your first question, I tried that it worked but my second router only has one LAN port which I use to connect to my PC and also for some reason when I try the LAN to LAN connection I am unable to access Router 2's web interface.

More importantly, all the devices that I use frequently on my network are on Router 2.

 

If asking my parents yielded any results I would not be here.

[theZanyone11]

24 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

Short of installing a second line, you need router 1 to be on in order to maintain an internet connection. When it's turned off, router 2 has no way of getting an internet connection without switching the cable with the ISP connection into router 2. 

 

Why have you got the LAN from router 1 plugged into WAN on router 2? You've put yourself behind another layer of NAT and you'll have trouble accessing any local devices connected to router 1. Plug it in to the LAN port on router 2, or better yet, buy a switch instead as you don't need a 2nd router for what you're doing. 

 

Best solution is to kindly ask your parents to stop turning off the router.

I thought about making an Arduino Circuit that  connects the ISP ethernet to the ethernet cable coming into my room when the adapted for Router 1 is turned off

 

but I am not sure if using transistors on data lines will result in packet loss.

 

And also I will have to re-configure Router 2 with the PPPoE Username Password every time it switches.

[Oshino Shinobu]

22 minutes ago, theZanyone11 said:

I thought about making an Arduino Circuit that  connects the ISP ethernet to the ethernet cable coming into my room when the adapted for Router 1 is turned off

 

but I am not sure if using transistors on data lines will result in packet loss.

 

And also I will have to re-configure Router 2 with the PPPoE Username Password every time it switches.

That sounds like a very complicated solution for a very simple issue. If your parents are turning off the router ( I guess for perceived security reasons?) I doubt they'll be happy with you setting up an Arduino to switch the connection. 

 

EDIT: Also, I imagine when they turn off the router, they also turn off the modem (if not, I'm very confused as to why they're turning off the router at all) which means you'll need another modem or a modem/router combo as you can't connect the router directly to the incoming connection without a modem. 

[theZanyone11]

24 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

That sounds like a very complicated solution for a very simple issue. If your parents are turning off the router ( I guess for perceived security reasons?) I doubt they'll be happy with you setting up an Arduino to switch the connection. 

 

EDIT: Also, I imagine when they turn off the router, they also turn off the modem (if not, I'm very confused as to why they're turning off the router at all) which means you'll need another modem or a modem/router combo as you can't connect the router directly to the incoming connection without a modem. 

We dont have a modem.

The ethernet cable just plugs into the router and I have to enter the PPPoE credentials for it to work.

 

[Oshino Shinobu]

4 minutes ago, theZanyone11 said:

We dont have a modem.

The ethernet cable just plugs into the router and I have to enter the PPPoE credentials for it to work.

 

It's interesting for a connection to come in via copper ethernet, its range is way too short for ISP connection, maybe there's an integrated media converter or similar built into the ISP's stuff as it comes into the property. 

 

There's basically no easy way to do it without some physical intervention. The easiest way would be to have a switch with router 1 plugged into it and a cable running to the WAN port on router 2 as well, but only plug it in to router 2 when router 1 has been turned off. It's not a recommended solution though, and if router 1 is turned on while router 2 is still connected, it's probably not going to play nice as the routers will be fighting for the connection. You also have the problem of your parents just turning off the switch or any other device you have to try to do this. As I mentioned, I'd be very surprised with them being okay with this kind of solution if they're turning off the router for whatever reason in the first place. 

 

There probably is a way to do it with an arduino or similar, but I doubt you'll find much in terms of guides as most things obviously aren't designed for situations where devices are being deliberately powered off. Sitting down and talking more with your parents would still be the best solution. If they refuse still, you'll probably just have to deal with it or offer to pay for the connection or similar yourself.

[theZanyone11]

5 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

It's interesting for a connection to come in via copper ethernet, its range is way too short for ISP connection, maybe there's an integrated media converter or similar built into the ISP's stuff as it comes into the property. 

 

There's basically no easy way to do it without some physical intervention. The easiest way would be to have a switch with router 1 plugged into it and a cable running to the WAN port on router 2 as well, but only plug it in to router 2 when router 1 has been turned off. It's not a recommended solution though, and if router 1 is turned on while router 2 is still connected, it's probably not going to play nice as the routers will be fighting for the connection. You also have the problem of your parents just turning off the switch or any other device you have to try to do this. As I mentioned, I'd be very surprised with them being okay with this kind of solution if they're turning off the router for whatever reason in the first place. 

 

There probably is a way to do it with an arduino or similar, but I doubt you'll find much in terms of guides as most things obviously aren't designed for situations where devices are being deliberately powered off. Sitting down and talking more with your parents would still be the best solution. If they refuse still, you'll probably just have to deal with it or offer to pay for the connection or similar yourself.

I thought of the same solution and dismissed it for the same reason.

 

Also, the ISP is a local one and the ethernet is connected somewhere just across my street. 

[Falcon1986]

4 hours ago, theZanyone11 said:

If asking my parents yielded any results I would not be here.

Have a conversation with your parents. Be open to hear each side's views. Make compromises. That's what respect is, especially if they're the ones paying for your internet subscription. Once you can support yourself financially or at least contribute to paying for the service, it will remain a privilege that they're allowed to control.

 

I'm sorry to say that no high-tech circumventing is going to stop a simple low-tech "switch off". Similar to how it wouldn't be right for us to help anyone break the law, it wouldn't be right for us to help anyone get around any form of parental controls.