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In recent sales in the UK, the 6900 XT was offered as low as £1200, and was consistently in stock. In the current market it seems great for a top end gaming GPU. Similar class Nvidia are either more expensive and/or unavailable. For sure it isn't cheap, but do people not want 6900 XTs? I haven't looked recently, but last time I looked there are more 3090s listed on the Steam Hardware Survey than all AMD RDNA2 generation cards combined.

 

Skipping to the other end, 6600, to me they seem to be going for a LOT of money, but relatively speaking their gaming performance is lacking. I couldn't work out who was buying these until I saw a post by a former co-worker. He's into mining, and apparently the 6600 are very power efficient. It's a mining card??? So, why aren't people buying the 6900 XT, it might cost about 2.5x more, but it is also about 2.5x in compute perf? Compute isn't mining I guess, when I looked up the hash rates it wasn't scaling similarly. So 6900 XT are available because it isn't great at mining? But there aren't enough high end gamers also to buy them up? Nvidia doesn't seem to have that problem, even with LHR.

 

Am I missing something?

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Probably people who only want an RTX 30 and haven't looked at how the AMD equivalent compares. I'd go for the 6900XT if I needed it for sure, it's indeed in stock where I live as well

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Nvidia has compelling features for gamers and compute users using AMD have to pass on CUDA and deal with shitty AMD drivers (see F@H issues where you have to use a 6 month old driver if you don't want to have your performance halved...)

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9 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Nvidia has compelling features for gamers and compute users using AMD have to pass on CUDA and deal with shitty AMD drivers (see F@H issues where you have to use a 6 month old driver if you don't want to have your performance halved...)

Yeah, I get that. I've gone pretty much nvidia since the last AMD GPU I had which was the Vega 56. But from a pure gaming perspective, is a 6900 XT that much less desirable than say a 3080 Ti? The main narrative on this forum is gamers can't get GPUs. That's not to rule out uses other than just gaming, or mining, but I really have no idea how many people that covers. Folding is something I've done a lot of in the past. I was top 100 in team at some point and I see I'm out of the top 1000 now! Still, I don't see that as a major factor for most.

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I guess lacking RT performance hurts? The more you pay the more of an eyesore this becomes.

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

I guess lacking RT performance hurts? The more you pay the more of an eyesore this becomes.

Maybe a factor. When 6000 series cards were first benched they were what, roughly a tier down vs nvidia in RT performance if you equalise non-RT gaming perf? And we had the cries that it doesn't matter, there's hardly any RT support, and FSR will save the day in perf anyway. I also recall claims that games up to then were optimised for nv, and with better optimisation for AMD (because consoles) perf might get closer going forwards. I haven't kept up to date with gaming perf if there has been any change to that. 

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1 hour ago, porina said:

Folding is something I've done a lot of in the past. I was top 100 in team at some point and I see I'm out of the top 1000 now! Still, I don't see that as a major factor for most.

Well there are quite a few people in the folding forum who do buy cards almost only for that - but my point was more that if there are such major issues for folding it's reasonable to expect the same can happen for other uses.

 

1 hour ago, porina said:

But from a pure gaming perspective, is a 6900 XT that much less desirable than say a 3080 Ti?

ShadowPlay, NVENC, DLSS, RT...

Certainly wouldn't commend the same price for me. Prices here seem to reflect that

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