10Gbe

[Alder Lake]

I've seen all the videos on it an the special tech/gear that you need, but what else do you need

 

I'm assuming that for obvious reasons if you have a gigabit link, buying this stuff won't make it 10 gigabit, so do you need to make a special request to a company to have it specially wired to you, and can someone actually get it for their house?

 

 

just a side note: I don't believe I have the kind of money to get it, but I'm curious what you do need

[Electronics Wizardy]

Most of the time people are running 10gbe in their home network, so you don't need to connect it to anywhere else. So there really isn't anything else you need to get those speeds between systems on your netwrok. If you want wan speed to be 10gbe fast, you need a ISP to hook up a 10gbe link for you.

[Alder Lake]

14 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Most of the time people are running 10gbe in their home network, so you don't need to connect it to anywhere else. So there really isn't anything else you need to get those speeds between systems on your netwrok. If you want wan speed to be 10gbe fast, you need a ISP to hook up a 10gbe link for you.

and if no ISPs in your area support it? lol

[Electronics Wizardy]

6 minutes ago, yesyes said:

and if no ISPs in your area support it? lol

If you pay enough, you can get 10gbe wan speeds almost anywhere.

 

But most people are using 10gbe for local network transfers.

[Alder Lake]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

If you pay enough, you can get 10gbe wan speeds almost anywhere.

 

But most people are using 10gbe for local network transfers.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, yesyes said:

Like they won't list it on their website, but they will pull fibre to most places. if you play. But your probably thinking in the tens or hundreds of thousands for the install if there isn't a cable already, and probably tens of thousands a month for the service.

[Alder Lake]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

Like they won't list it on their website, but they will pull fibre to most places. if you play. But your probably thinking in the tens or hundreds of thousands for the install if there isn't a cable already, and probably tens of thousands a month for the service.

that's a lot more than the 1k/year we currently pay

 

well, now I see why nobody has 10 gigabit

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, yesyes said:

that's a lot more than the 1k/year we currently pay

 

well, now I see why nobody has 10 gigabit

They will probably slowly upgrade your service to 10gbe over the next decade or two, but for almost all home users you don't need 10gbe, and if you do you can normally afford the cost for business grade connections.

[Alder Lake]

9 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

They will probably slowly upgrade your service to 10gbe over the next decade or two, but for almost all home users you don't need 10gbe, and if you do you can normally afford the cost for business grade connections.

yeah, that's something for my parents to buy, not me (and they're not dumb enough to buy it for no reason)

 

i.e., I don't have the money, they don't have the stupidity (we don't need it by any means, I've always just been curious)

[CerealExperimentsLain]

2 hours ago, yesyes said:

I've seen all the videos on it an the special tech/gear that you need, but what else do you need

 

I'm assuming that for obvious reasons if you have a gigabit link, buying this stuff won't make it 10 gigabit, so do you need to make a special request to a company to have it specially wired to you, and can someone actually get it for their house?

 

 

just a side note: I don't believe I have the kind of money to get it, but I'm curious what you do need

The kids these days are so 'online' they don't even know what internal local network traffic is anymore.  They all just think it's 'Internet'. 

 

 

[Alder Lake]

5 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

The kids these days are so 'online' they don't even know what internal local network traffic is anymore.  They all just think it's 'Internet'. 

 

 

sorry, I'm too busy learning that tan²(x)=(1-cos(2x))/(1+cos(2x)) to learn about things that don't really cause me problems

 

and I spend like 1 hour on the internet every day, as I don't use my phone during class, as a matter of fact, I didn't buy a phone for that reason

[CerealExperimentsLain]

5 minutes ago, yesyes said:

sorry, I'm too busy learning that tan²(x)=(1-cos(2x))/(1+cos(2x)) to learn about things that don't really cause me problems

 

and I spend like 1 hour on the internet every day, as I don't use my phone during class, as a matter of fact, I didn't buy a phone for that reason

Did you just flex...High school level math at me? o.O

[Alder Lake]

5 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Did you just flex...High school level math at me? o.O

no, it's literally what we're learning right now

[CerealExperimentsLain]

1 minute ago, yesyes said:

no, it's literally what we're learning right now

Right... And that's high school level algebra... Which is why I'm confused as to why you're showing it off as if it's supposed to be impressive... o.O

[Alder Lake]

3 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Right... And that's high school level algebra... Which is why I'm confused as to why you're showing it off as if it's supposed to be impressive... o.O

That's because I'm in high school, and I don't think it's impressive

[CerealExperimentsLain]

Just now, yesyes said:

I don't think it's impressive

I'm at a loss as to why you're even posting it in this thread then.

[Alder Lake]

4 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

I'm at a loss as to why you're even posting it in this thread then.

 

25 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

The kids these days are so 'online' they don't even know what internal local network traffic is anymore.  They all just think it's 'Internet'. 

 

 

I'm at a loss as to why you posted this

 

the thread was already answered, and you decided to post this -and in a toxic tone, at that

[CerealExperimentsLain]

4 minutes ago, yesyes said:

 

I'm at a loss as to why you posted this

 

it's not relevant to the thread

Oh, it's absolutely relevant to this thread.  It was pointed out to you repeated in this thread while you only responded by going on about ISP speeds but your limited experience prevents you from appreciating it.  You don't see a network as anything beyond 'The thingy that splits up the internet to all the users.'

There is more to LAN traffic than 'Internet'.  A 10gig connection is useful for moving files locally, within the network, faster than 1gig.  I have a 10gig link between my desktop and main 137 Terabyte UnRAID server and routinely push file transfers up to 560MB/s over the 10gig link.  Gets things done a lot faster.

(Before anyone asks, the bottleneck is the SATA SSDs in the UnRAID server)

[Alder Lake]

5 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Oh, it's absolutely relevant to this thread.  It was pointed out to you repeated in this thread while you only responded by going on about ISP speeds but your limited experience prevents you from appreciating it.  You don't see a network as anything beyond 'The thingy that splits up the internet to all the users.'

There is more to LAN traffic than 'Internet'.  A 10gig connection is useful for moving files locally, within the network, faster than 1gig.  I have a 10gig link between my desktop and main 137 Terabyte UnRAID server and routinely push file transfers up to 560MB/s over the 10gig link.  Gets things done a lot faster.

(Before anyone asks, the bottleneck is the SATA SSDs in the UnRAID server)

there's typically 2 internet users in my house that it has to split it to

 

10gig is faster than 1gig? oMg I woULd nEveR gUEss

 

 

saying "these kids don't even know what LAN traffic is" is not helping at all with me understanding how it works, nor is it truly relevant, as my question was what I needed, not how it worked/what I don't know

 

tldr: no, it really wasn't relevant

[Alex Atkin UK]

On 10/27/2021 at 7:40 PM, yesyes said:

there's typically 2 internet users in my house that it has to split it to

 

10gig is faster than 1gig? oMg I woULd nEveR gUEss

 

 

saying "these kids don't even know what LAN traffic is" is not helping at all with me understanding how it works, nor is it truly relevant, as my question was what I needed, not how it worked/what I don't know

 

tldr: no, it really wasn't relevant

You're getting all defensive when all people were trying to do is explain that when we talk about 10Gbit, we don't mean "Internet".  We are buying it so we can transfer information between computers on the local network faster, such as to a NAS (dedicated PC for mass local file storage).

An example for me is I have a Plex server (kinda like your own Netflix) and sometimes I will copy TV shows/movies off that to my local PC to AI upscale it, then copy it back.  Even modern hard drives can do 2Gbit, SATA SSDs can do 5Gbit, so having a 10Gbit local network saves a lot of time just moving files around.  It also means that accessing those files wont saturate the network as copying a file from the NAS and downloading from the Internet at the same time, is sharing the same bandwidth on that PC.

So basically I can talk to the router at 1Gbit while copying  files off the NAS at 5Gbit, with 4Gbit spare bandwidth so those two tasks do not slow each other down.

[Alder Lake]

32 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

You're getting all defensive when all people were trying to do is explain that when we talk about 10Gbit, we don't mean "Internet".  We are buying it so we can transfer information between computers on the local network faster, such as to a NAS (dedicated PC for mass local file storage).

An example for me is I have a Plex server (kinda like your own Netflix) and sometimes I will copy TV shows/movies off that to my local PC to AI upscale it, then copy it back.  Even modern hard drives can do 2Gbit, SATA SSDs can do 5Gbit, so having a 10Gbit local network saves a lot of time just moving files around.  It also means that accessing those files wont saturate the network as copying a file from the NAS and downloading from the Internet at the same time, is sharing the same bandwidth on that PC.

So basically I can talk to the router at 1Gbit while copying  files off the NAS at 5Gbit, with 4Gbit spare bandwidth so those two tasks do not slow each other down.

that would've been a much better way for them to say it, rather than how they started

 

 

thanks for explaining what I didn't know, rather than just telling me that I don't know anything

[Alex Atkin UK]

2 hours ago, yesyes said:

that would've been a much better way for them to say it, rather than how they started

 

 

thanks for explaining what I didn't know, rather than just telling me that I don't know anything

I don't think anyone meant to be offensive though I can understand how "these young uns don't even know the difference between Internet and LAN" can be interpreted as an attack, you just made people feel very old.

I'm almost certain it was intended to be a tongue-in-cheek joke between the regulars.  Its easy to forget how that can be misinterpreted by people who don't live on the forum.