GPU Upgrade

[tfvanh]

Budget (including currency): €1000

Country: Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games (Various games, like the new Battlefield/CoD/Dying Light), 3D design & Rendering with AutoDesk software (Revit/3DS Max) and Adobe (Premiere/After Effects) for video editing, graphics/motion design & Photoshop.

Other details: Currently I am using the MSI GeForce RTX 2060 Ventus 6G OC with the Ryzen 7 5800X CPU, Gigabyte Aorus X570 ELITE MOBO, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX RAM, Corsair RM550x PSU and a NZXT H500 case.

 

I'm playing on a 2560x1440p 144 Hz monitor (LG UltraGear 27GL850) and would like to upgrade my GPU. I'm not quite satisfied with the performance I get on 1440p, though I am not sure which GPU would be the best upgrade for me. I've looked at a few cards and can't really figure out what makes which card better/what specs to look at. For the 3060's below, there's more VRAM but less cores or the other way around. Then the 3070 would, probably be better then both 3060's (because more cores?) but would the extra investment be worth it, or would the performance gain with either of the 3060's be more then enough. The 3070 is about €350 more then the 3060's at the moment.

• MSI GeForce RTX 3060 GAMING X 12G 
• MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Gaming Z TRIO 8G 
• MSI GeForce RTX 3070 Ti VENTUS 3X 8G OC

Hope someone can help me out ^^

 

[Forleb]

That 3060 Ti is the best of the three for its model; It has the best cooling solution & the most OC potential. VRAM shouldn't be a major issue if you're aiming for 144Hz gaming, as you'd have to lower settings on several games even with the 3070 Ti to achieve that consistently, which would automatically reduce the volume required.

 

I'd also strongly advise looking for a higher wattage PSU and a different case. 550W just won't hold up with a 5800X and a 3060 Ti, and both are going to suffer a lot thermally with a coffin like the NZXT H500. My personal favorite is the Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance, but I'm not sure I can recommend it when its improvement over the H500 would likely send you into cardiac arrest.

[Bobbyman5506]

Hi! I personally think that the 3070 would be better,  the 3060 is good and all, but getting higher resolution and refresh rate on higher end games (I'm sure your very excited for battlefield 2042 just as I)  and seeing how 2042 looks, your probably going to want the 3070 because of the game's "nicer" graphics compared to other FPSs. But if you do go with the 3060 I'm sure you'll be just fine, but I can tell you care a lot about graphics, because of the 1440p monitor and I'm worried you might have to turn down the settings.

[Jeppes]

I would expect that rm550x to handle even a 3070 with a 5800x.

[Cyracus]

10 minutes ago, Jeppes said:

I would expect that rm550x to handle even a 3070 with a 5800x.

Disagree, rtx power spikes and the 5800x draws a decent amount of power on its own.

650w+ recommended

[Jeppes]

9 minutes ago, Cyracus said:

Disagree, rtx power spikes and the 5800x draws a decent amount of power on its own.

650w+ recommended

Recommended yes, not necessarily needed. RM550X is quality unit and most likely handles spikes up to 650W with no issues. 3070ti with 300W:s is getting close to pushing the limits but I still would test under-volting before spending money on a new psu.

[tfvanh]

1 hour ago, Forleb said:

That 3060 Ti is the best of the three for its model; It has the best cooling solution & the most OC potential. VRAM shouldn't be a major issue if you're aiming for 144Hz gaming, as you'd have to lower settings on several games even with the 3070 Ti to achieve that consistently, which would automatically reduce the volume required.

 

I'd also strongly advise looking for a higher wattage PSU and a different case. 550W just won't hold up with a 5800X and a 3060 Ti, and both are going to suffer a lot thermally with a coffin like the NZXT H500. My personal favorite is the Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance, but I'm not sure I can recommend it when its improvement over the H500 would likely send you into cardiac arrest.

Thanks for the awnser, yea I've fiddled a bit with the airflow/fan speed/voltage way back when my gpu went up to 83 C and the cpu sat at 90 C. They now cap at about 68 C for the gpu and 75 for the cpu. The case isn't great :P Though I think the psu with the 3060ti should be fine, according to a psu calculator but will check out what the 5800x is using atm.

[tfvanh]

47 minutes ago, Jeppes said:

Recommended yes, not necessarily needed. RM550X is quality unit and most likely handles spikes up to 650W with no issues. 3070ti with 300W:s is getting close to pushing the limits but I still would test under-volting before spending money on a new psu.

I already undervolted my cpu, not sure what the difference in W is but solved my thermal problems going from 90 to 76 C without performance loss ^^ My 2060 definatly uses more W then recommended by nvidia though. Around 180 peaks. I should probably check the total powerconsumption somehow.

[Jeppes]

17 minutes ago, tfvanh said:

I already undervolted my cpu, not sure what the difference in W is but solved my thermal problems going from 90 to 76 C without performance loss ^^ My 2060 definatly uses more W then recommended by nvidia though. Around 180 peaks. I should probably check the total powerconsumption somehow.

I would guess under 300W:s from wall with current system. 3070ti undervolted should be about 70-80W more.

[Moonzy]

1 hour ago, Forleb said:

550W just won't hold up with a 5800X and a 3060 Ti

...no?

i literally ran 2x 3060ti and a ryzen 5 3600 full tilt on a CX550M... albeit i undervolted them a few (120w per GPU from ~180W stock)

 

i would say don't worry about it until it's actually an issue

By issue, i mean tripping the PSU's OPP

 

1 hour ago, Forleb said:

both are going to suffer a lot thermally with a coffin like the NZXT H500

while it is not a thermally ideal case, it's nothing to worry about until it's actually an issue

 

I wouldn't suggest OP to go for it and spend money unless it's an actual issue rather than based on speculations

 

as for OP's questions:

i recommend looking into pugetsystem's benchmarks for the specific workstation applications you use for further analysis as workstation tasks are quite special

at times, you might be better served with a quadro due to driver support etc

example: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Photoshop-139/Hardware-Recommendations

 

for 1440p 144hz gaming

10:25 (timestamped)

3070ti seems to better fit 1440p 144fps, since it still falls short of it averagely

 

but do note that it has 4GB less VRAM, which may be beneficial to have for your workstation workloads

[tfvanh]

6 hours ago, Moonzy said:

...no?

i literally ran 2x 3060ti and a ryzen 5 3600 full tilt on a CX550M... albeit i undervolted them a few (120w per GPU from ~180W stock)

 

i would say don't worry about it until it's actually an issue

By issue, i mean tripping the PSU's OPP

 

while it is not a thermally ideal case, it's nothing to worry about until it's actually an issue

 

I wouldn't suggest OP to go for it and spend money unless it's an actual issue rather than based on speculations

 

as for OP's questions:

i recommend looking into pugetsystem's benchmarks for the specific workstation applications you use for further analysis as workstation tasks are quite special

at times, you might be better served with a quadro due to driver support etc

example: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Photoshop-139/Hardware-Recommendations

 

for 1440p 144hz gaming

10:25 (timestamped)

3070ti seems to better fit 1440p 144fps, since it still falls short of it averagely

 

but do note that it has 4GB less VRAM, which may be beneficial to have for your workstation workloads

Thanks for the response, ill check it out ^^ and yea I will see wether the psu/case are problematic or not before replacing

[Forleb]

13 hours ago, Moonzy said:

i literally ran 2x 3060ti and a ryzen 5 3600 full tilt on a CX550M... albeit i undervolted them a few (120w per GPU from ~180W stock)

 

i would say don't worry about it until it's actually an issue

By issue, i mean tripping the PSU's OPP

That's hardly an appropriate assessment. I know the 3600 > 5800X difference isn't massive, but at least 50% undervolt on two Ampere cards?... It's true that OP could get it working, but It's widely known how the hardware behaves, and waiting for OPP isn't necessary to acknowledge that.

 

13 hours ago, Moonzy said:

while it is not a thermally ideal case, it's nothing to worry about until it's actually an issue

 

I wouldn't suggest OP to go for it and spend money unless it's an actual issue rather than based on speculations

I'm not sure I follow the logic here... don't just spend money, create more hassle down the road and spend it anyway? There's no speculation needed. Many people have known for a while that NZXT H5xx cases are ovens, and it makes no sense to ignore it "until it's actually an issue" when the lifespan of the components WILL be decreased compared to alternatives. I'll admit that my recommendation wasn't exactly budget friendly, but honestly a vast majority of cases would still give better temperatures.

[Moonzy]

32 minutes ago, Forleb said:

There's no speculation needed. Many people have known for a while that NZXT H5xx cases are ovens, and it makes no sense to ignore it "until it's actually an issue"

I built a PC in one and it runs warm but nowhere near dangerously hot

Plus modern computers have decent thermal precautions in place

 

Unless you can find me a case where the h500 killed a component due to heat, I find your recommendation is just being over the top, especially if OP already owns it and is using it just fine as he states

 

Sure, I would recommend op to consider other cases if he haven't gotten it yet, but asking him to buy a whole new case just because their components are running warmer (not overheating or throttling) is just absurd

 

32 minutes ago, Forleb said:

That's hardly an appropriate assessment. I know the 3600 > 5800X difference isn't massive, but at least 50% undervolt on two Ampere cards?

How is 120/180 equal to 50%?

That's around 60% from my power limit in MSI afterburner

But that's besides the point, I also ran a 3090 at 340W plus my 3600 on the same config, minus the dual 3060ti of course

 

Again, I tripped OCP few times, but not on any of the config I listed (not even the same PSU, it was a rm850x and hx1000 on different occasions)

 

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I won't recommend OP to spend money on it until it's actually an issue for him

Because I can see it working just fine with a 3070 class GPU, but it's pretty borderline, yes

 

32 minutes ago, Forleb said:

and waiting for OPP isn't necessary to acknowledge that

Ok then, how else would you know it's an issue before you actually face an issue?

From my experience, it's fine until you hit OPP

If you have any other way, is be interested to educate myself

 

To me, if the system is running fine, then it should be fine

The only thing I can think of is bad ripple on the output rails under high load causing issues, but I doubt that's an issue for the RM550x since it's not a sketchy unit

[tfvanh]

36 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

I built a PC in one and it runs warm but nowhere near dangerously hot

Plus modern computers have decent thermal precautions in place

 

Unless you can find me a case where the h500 killed a component due to heat, I find your recommendation is just being over the top, especially if OP already owns it and is using it just fine as he states

 

Sure, I would recommend op to consider other cases if he haven't gotten it yet, but asking him to buy a whole new case just because their components are running warmer (not overheating or throttling) is just absurd

 

How is 120/180 equal to 50%?

That's around 60% from my power limit in MSI afterburner

But that's besides the point, I also ran a 3090 at 340W plus my 3600 on the same config, minus the dual 3060ti of course

 

Again, I tripped OCP few times, but not on any of the config I listed (not even the same PSU, it was a rm850x and hx1000 on different occasions)

 

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I won't recommend OP to spend money on it until it's actually an issue for him

Because I can see it working just fine with a 3070 class GPU, but it's pretty borderline, yes

 

Ok then, how else would you know it's an issue before you actually face an issue?

From my experience, it's fine until you hit OPP

If you have any other way, is be interested to educate myself

 

To me, if the system is running fine, then it should be fine

The only thing I can think of is bad ripple on the output rails under high load causing issues, but I doubt that's an issue for the RM550x since it's not a sketchy unit

Did some testing, and for the CPU I peaked on 80 degrees / 112 W. The GPU peaked at 71 degrees (85 at 'Hot Spot) with 181 W. Thermal wise, I think it would be fine thermal wise, and PSU depends on wether or not the 3060 ti goes way over the power usage that are listed in the specifications. I might look into a new case, I wouldnt mind a better one tbh. It has been anoyying me for a bit, that it gets quite hot very easily resulting in undervolting my CPU, adjusting my fan speed all around to make sure it actually doesn't get dangerous. It's quite loud haha