Looking for suggestions on my 3080 i9 build

[mal73]

Budget (including currency): €3000

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Some gaming, mainly software developement that requires high performance CPU & RAM

 

I decided to buy a new PC this year so I sat down today and set up this build:

 

 

 

What do you guys think? I am still a bit unsure about the SSD, would you go with something different? Would this setup fit in the Meshify 2 Compact case? Does it even fit the Tower one?

 

Also, and this is kind of a newbie question, I saw thath the 3080 Sea Hawk has a build in watercooling. Will I be able to fit both the CPU and GPU AIOs inside this case or will that kill airflow? Do I put one in front and the other on top?

 

Any help is greatly appreciated

[BetteBalterZen]

1 thing I can say for sure is that the Crucial MX500 series SSD's are good and their value is great. It's a good starter SSD for sure, no doubt. 

[mal73]

2 minutes ago, BetteBalterZen said:

1 thing I can say for sure is that the Crucial MX500 series SSD's are good and their value is great. It's a good starter SSD for sure, no doubt. 

Would you say it is worth upgrading to an Sabrent M.2 NVME SSD Gen4 2TB? Is the performance noticeably different?

[Guest]

The i9 10850K is cheaper than the i9 10900K. There is also the 10900KF although you lose the igpu.

 

I would take the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm/420mm over the Corsair. Or just stick a big air cooler in there like the D15 or Fuma 2.

 

If you are moving lots of data around then I would go with something like the WD SN750.

 

 

[TheEpicDuck]

I would personally wait to see what 12th gen looks like from intel. Other than that it looks great. The cpu cooler can go in the top but the front only supports 280 and 360 radiators. The Seahawk uses a 240 mm one, which is avalible at the bottom of the case

Edited September 9, 2021 by TheEpicDuck
12 not 13th gen

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, mal73 said:

Would you say it is worth upgrading to an Sabrent M.2 NVME SSD Gen4 2TB? Is the performance noticeably different?

There is no Gen 4 support on Z490. So you would need an 11th gen cpu and Z590 board. Or go Ryzen as the other option.

[BetteBalterZen]

26 minutes ago, mal73 said:

Would you say it is worth upgrading to an Sabrent M.2 NVME SSD Gen4 2TB? Is the performance noticeably different?

Well, any NVME drive will certainly make your OS load time faster, also when installing or uninstalling programs, but other than that, general Windows usage and so on, you won't really feel a difference. 

Still tho, I also bought a 970 EVO Plus and I like the small changes it made for my system - faster boot time, installing and uninstalling programs, so on. 
If you're on the end of your budget, don't let an NVME SSD make changes to your build when you already have the MX500 2TB on the list. 
You can always buy the NVME later on. 

[jones177]

I built a similar system last weekend.

 

GPU = MSI Gaming X Trio (From the Newegg Shuffle)

 

CPU = i9 10900kf (cheaper than an i9 10900k and better than a i9 10850k) 

 

CPU cooling = SilverStone PF360-ARGB AIO (budget 360 AIO with argb (I have one on my i9 10900k build I did last October)

 

Motherboard = GIGABYTE Z490 AORUS Master (Wanted a ASUS Hero X II but did not fit in budget)

 

Ram = CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 4000 (relatively cheap right now in the US. Payed $100 more 10/20)

 

Storage = Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe (I use NVMEs to boot anf for games that need the speed)

             = Crucial MX500 1TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 (I usually get 2tb MX500s )

 

PSU = EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G+, 80 Plus Gold 1000W(The 40 series will probably use more power so a safe bet for $200)

 

Air cooling = 3X SilverStone  AB120R-ARGB Air Blazer 120mm PWM (same fans as the PF360-ARGB AIO)

                  = 1x 120mm stock fan from my Corsair 5000D

 

Case = Lian Li O11 Dynamic white. (the only case I would by now for an air cooled 3080, 3080 ti and 3090)

 

All my last 2 builds had issues but this one is perfect.

 

 

 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, jones177 said:

CPU = i9 10900kf (cheaper than an i9 10900k and better than a i9 10850k) 

How is it better than the 10850K ? All three of those are pretty much even. You are not going to notice any difference with any of them. The 10850K is the cheapest of the three on the German pcpartpicker.

[jones177]

Just now, lee32uk said:

How is it better than the 10850K ? All three of those are pretty much even. You are not going to notice any difference with any of them. The 10850K is the cheapest of the three on the German pcpartpicker.

I paid $468 for the i9 10900kf and the i9 10850k is $409. So to me the difference is the price of one AAA game.

 

Also.

At stock the 10900k is 4.9ghz all cores. 

In the tests that I have done 4.8ghz does not cut it so to me the i9 10850k is only good for overclocking and it has to have a 5.2ghz overclock to beat the 10900k that is using TVB in a lot of games I have tested. 5.1ghz makes for a nice Chinebench scores but that is about it.

 

The i9 10900k using TVB beats my overclocked 5800x, my 19 9900k at 5ghz all cores and my i7 8086k with 5.1ghz all cores.

 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, jones177 said:

I paid $468 for the i9 10900kf and the i9 10850k is $409. So to me the difference is the price of one AAA game.

 

Also.

At stock the 10900k is 4.9ghz all cores. 

In the tests that I have done 4.8ghz does not cut it so to me the i9 10850k is only good for overclocking and it has to have a 5.2ghz overclock to beat the 10900k that is using TVB in a lot of games I have tested. 5.1ghz makes for a nice Chinebench scores but that is about it.

 

The i9 10900k using TVB beats my overclocked 5800x, my 19 9900k at 5ghz all cores and my i7 8086k with 5.1ghz all cores.

 

The review below suggests there is little to no difference. They managed to overclock the 10850K to the same as the 10900K.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10850k/23.html

 

The 10900K will have slightly better silicon but a 100MHz difference is neither here or there. For gaming you will not notice a difference. As for application performance they mention that the 10850K is 1.2% slower on average. Again you are not going to notice that. 

 

If I was the op I would just take the cheaper option.

[jones177]

18 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

The review below suggests there is little to no difference. They managed to overclock the 10850K to the same as the 10900K.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10850k/23.html

 

The 10900K will have slightly better silicon but a 100MHz difference is neither here or there. For gaming you will not notice a difference. As for application performance they mention that the 10850K is 1.2% slower on average. Again you are not going to notice that. 

 

If I was the op I would just take the cheaper option.

I am not particularly interested in reviews on either chip since they rarely use thermal velocity boost(TVB) and to me this it what they are all about.

 

In most games I don't notice the difference between the i9 10900k, 5800x and the i9 9900k. My main gaming rig is the 5800x and it loses against the i9 in all my tests save one.

 

Since I built a i9 10900k rig last October and thoroughly tested it even with a 5.3ghz all core overclock I know what it can do what I need and the difference in price were I am is not an issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, jones177 said:

I am not particularly interested in reviews on either chip since they rarely use thermal velocity boost(TVB) and to me this it what they are all about.

 

In most games I don't notice the difference between the i9 10900k, 5800x and the i9 9900k. My main gaming rig is the 5800x and it loses against the i9 in all my tests save one.

 

Since I built a i9 10900k rig last October and thoroughly tested it even with a 5.3ghz all core overclock I know what it can do what I need and the difference in price were I am is not an issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is still only 100MHz difference though even with TVB. The 10900K will do up to 5.3GHz on a single core vs 5.2GHz for the 10850K. The all core boost is 4.9GHz vs 4.8GHz.

 

 

[jones177]

4 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

It is still only 100MHz difference though even with TVB. The 10900K will do up to 5.3GHz on a single core vs 5.2GHz for the 10850K. The all core boost is 4.9GHz vs 4.8GHz.

 

 

Way back in 2018 I had a 17 8700k that could do 4.9ghz all cores and a i7 8086k that ran at 5ghz all cores. When they both had GTX 1080 tis they did about the same frames.

When they got RTX 2080 tis the i7 8086k pulled away by about 10 frames. I bought another i7 8086k.

 

5ghz is a performance plateau for this architecture and the next is 5.35ghz so I am not 100% sure that 5.3ghz is close enough to matter. If it is, the i9 10900k will pull away from the 10850k with the next gen high end GPUs like the i7 8086k did with 2080 ti. 

 

The i9 9900k is another Intel CPU that got ragged on by reviewers but with a 3080 or 3080 ti it does the same frames as a 5800x. 

It went straight into a productivity build in 2019 since it did the exact same frames as the i7 8086k in games with a 2080 ti but now with 30 series cards it pulls away by about 15 frames. 

 

I am betting $60 on the future based on what I learned in the past.

 

 

 

 

    

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, jones177 said:

Way back in 2018 I had a 17 8700k that could do 4.9ghz all cores and a i7 8086k that ran at 5ghz all cores. When they both had GTX 1080 tis they did about the same frames.

When they got RTX 2080 tis the i7 8086k pulled away by about 10 frames. I bought another i7 8086k.

 

5ghz is a performance plateau for this architecture and the next is 5.35ghz so I am not 100% sure that 5.3ghz is close enough to matter. If it is, the i9 10900k will pull away from the 10850k with the next gen high end GPUs like the i7 8086k did with 2080 ti. 

 

The i9 9900k is another Intel CPU that got ragged on by reviewers but with a 3080 or 3080 ti it does the same frames as a 5800x. 

It went straight into a productivity build in 2019 since it did the exact same frames as the i7 8086k in games with a 2080 ti but now with 30 series cards it pulls away by about 15 frames. 

 

I am betting $60 on the future based on what I learned in the past.

 

 

 

 

    

If you game at 1440p/4K then there will be little difference between those Intel cpu's. You would have to be running a 1080p screen on low/med settings with a high end gpu to see some difference. 

 

Not trying to get into an argument, just stating that any will do the same job. So if the op can save some money with the 10850K then that is what I would suggest. The 10900K is actually over 100 Euros more than the 10850K on the German pcpartpicker. The 10900KF is not much more but you lose the igpu as a backup for troubleshooting.

 

 

[Dr0idGh0sT]

You said your work is CPU intensive, But you went and choose much higher end GPU, Than CPU, Why is that?

If I where you, I would wait for 12th intel, Because only one moth is remaining before it's release and it might be much better, Also you can easily fit 5950X or 11900K in that budget, Why are you getting previous gen CPU?

It seems like you aren't going for RGB, So don't bother with AIO for CPU. 

Here is list what you can build right now, But waiting definitely would be better. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m2q9Vc

 

[jones177]

57 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

If you game at 1440p/4K then there will be little difference between those Intel cpu's. You would have to be running a 1080p screen on low/med settings with a high end gpu to see some difference. 

 

Not trying to get into an argument, just stating that any will do the same job. So if the op can save some money with the 10850K then that is what I would suggest. The 10900K is actually over 100 Euros more than the 10850K on the German pcpartpicker. The 10900KF is not much more but you lose the igpu as a backup for troubleshooting.

 

 

I am speculating on the future so I could be right or wrong. 

I did not go for the i9 11900k since it only has 8 cores. I am not waiting for next gen since it needs Windows 11 and I won't touch that until 2023. The i9 10850k is not considered because the difference in price does not matter in the long run to me.

 

If the Ryzen crowed can live without an igpu I can to. I have only had to use it once anyway. 

 

No argument, just different opinions and I think yours is the most popular one.

 

 

 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

6 hours ago, mal73 said:

Budget (including currency): €3000

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Some gaming, mainly software developement that requires high performance CPU & RAM

 

I decided to buy a new PC this year so I sat down today and set up this build:

 

 

 

What do you guys think? I am still a bit unsure about the SSD, would you go with something different? Would this setup fit in the Meshify 2 Compact case? Does it even fit the Tower one?

 

Also, and this is kind of a newbie question, I saw thath the 3080 Sea Hawk has a build in watercooling. Will I be able to fit both the CPU and GPU AIOs inside this case or will that kill airflow? Do I put one in front and the other on top?

 

Any help is greatly appreciated

If you dont overclock then a 5900x would be a better option since intel heavily relies on ocing to even gain an advantage over amd, if you dont oc you are left with the same performance as amd albeit running like a nuclear reactor and shooting your power bills through the roof, so its either balls to the walls ocing on intel or efficiency of amd