TPM socket

[emosun]

My motherboard (x8dthi-f) has a TPM socket on it.

Surely it can't be that simple can it? That if I install a TPM on this 12 year old board that it would be compatible now. This I think is the oldest board that can support TPM but I get the feeling the TPM standard must have changed since 2009.

[Chris Pratt]

Yes, it has changed, and in particular, you need TPM 2.0 support for Windows 11, which is what I imagine you're referring to here.

 

It's also not just about TPM. There's other hardware requirements for Windows 11, including processor generation. Right now, at least, you need at least 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen, and no board from 12 years ago is going to support either of those.

[cacoe]

I doubt you'll get a TPM 2.0 module, but are you asking in regards to Windows 11 compatibility? I don't think your CPU is going to be supported anyway, unless something changes drastically.

 

I know nothing is certain, but even if the current workarounds for Windows 11 on unsupported hardware have been fixed by RTM, there's a high chance alternatives will come to light.

[emosun]

1 minute ago, Chris Pratt said:

Yes, it has changed, and in particular, you need TPM 2.0 support for Windows 11, which is what I imagine you're referring to here.

 

It's also not just about TPM. There's other hardware requirements for Windows 11, including processor generation. Right now, at least, you need at least 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen, and no board from 12 years ago is going to support either of those.

But is tpm 2.0 a chip or socket requirement? I have the socket so idk if 2.0 refers to an entire generation or simply the module version.

As for the cpu's. From what I know getting around the cpu compatibility is easy compared to the tpm requirement

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, cacoe said:

I know nothing is certain, but even if the current workarounds for Windows 11 on unsupported hardware have been fixed by RTM, there's a high chance alternatives will come to light.

Yeah I waited 5 years for a version of 10 I actually liked so I know work arounds always surface eventually

[Chris Pratt]

Breaking the hardware check is easy, but compatibility is compatibility. You might be fine with slightly older CPU gens like 6th or 7th gen Intel, but there is a support wall, where Windows 11 either literally won't run or will bug out.

[emosun]

1 minute ago, Chris Pratt said:

Breaking the hardware check is easy, but compatibility is compatibility. You might be fine with slightly older CPU gens like 6th or 7th gen Intel, but there is a support wall, where Windows 11 either literally won't run or will bug out.

Yeah though I'm wondering what that will be , again as far as I know there aren't any new instructions that 11 needs over 10. Even if the cpu's aren't identified correctly that's fine so long as they function.

Maybe I'm too used to windows being incredibly backward compatible with windows 7 literally running on anything pentium 2 or higher.

[jaslion]

24 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

Yes, it has changed, and in particular, you need TPM 2.0 support for Windows 11, which is what I imagine you're referring to here.

 

It's also not just about TPM. There's other hardware requirements for Windows 11, including processor generation. Right now, at least, you need at least 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen, and no board from 12 years ago is going to support either of those.

Thing is that if you replace a couple files from 11 with ones from 10 at least for now 11 becomes fully functional on by far not supported hardware.

[jaslion]

16 minutes ago, emosun said:

Yeah though I'm wondering what that will be , again as far as I know there aren't any new instructions that 11 needs over 10. Even if the cpu's aren't identified correctly that's fine so long as they function.

Maybe I'm too used to windows being incredibly backward compatible with windows 7 literally running on anything pentium 2 or higher.

As far as I know the tpm will be used as a way to basically lock windows to the device and only that device and might make things like simply upgrading ram or a gpu far harder.

[Chris Pratt]

2 hours ago, jaslion said:

As far as I know the tpm will be used as a way to basically lock windows to the device and only that device and might make things like simply upgrading ram or a gpu far harder.

Not at all. It's just for hardware-based encryption. There is potent for changing out the CPU or motherboard to cause a reinstall to be necessary of Windows, but that's simply because you would have lost the hardware keys, not because Windows is limiting you from upgrading or something.

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, Chris Pratt said:

Not at all. It's just for hardware-based encryption. There is potent for changing out the CPU or motherboard to cause a reinstall to be necessary of Windows, but that's simply because you would have lost the hardware keys, not because Windows is limiting you from upgrading or something.

Yeah I'm talking about hardware keys and from the stuff I've read they are trying to use all parts of the system.

[Chris Pratt]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Yeah I'm talking about hardware keys and from the stuff I've read they are trying to use all parts of the system.

It doesn't work like that though. It's either stored in the TPM module or on the board/CPU in general in the case of the firmware version. It doesn't have anything to do with things like RAM or GPU. Switching those how has no effect on the keys.