Titan or 780ti..for rendering?

[TheAnonymousPoster]

Hey chap and chapets, 

 

My 670 finally cocked up and is on its way out, its currently sitting pretty with a load temp of 102*c and an idle temp of 60*C the cooling fans messed up and basically its under a heavy power restriction at the moment! I fortunately had been saving up for just an occasion and now have the wonderful choice.

 

 I'm running a i7 3930k @ 4.1ghz so bottle necking isn't an issue. I do game on this machine however most of my work comes from NukeX (which fully supports gpu acceleration) and Autodesk Maya, I have the money to either purchase a 780ti or a Titan, I know the 780ti out performs a Titan with retrospect of gaming however what about pure render power? ( I can get either for £500 so price difference isn't a factor) 

 

What would you chaps recommend? 

 

I will *eventually* be pairing this gpu alongside a Quadro for rendering, I have a K5000 coming in a month or so, however its yet to be decided if im going to build a separate rendering machine for this, I have a few i7 3770k's laying around for this. 

 

Cheers!

[Xquisite]

Not sure but, in my opinion the Titan would be better at rendering. Because a Titan is made for heavy tasks, computing AKA rendering.. 

[Anthony10]

Get a titan black. It's cheaper than the titan and better performing. It's the 780 ti with more VRAM.

[LukaP]

Not sure but, in my opinion the Titan would be better at rendering. Because a Titan is made for heavy tasks, computing AKA rendering.. 

nope, most offline renderers still use integer calculations only... 

 

the only renderer i know of that uses floats isnt even availiable for consumers. the TITAN series is more geared towards GPGPU not rendering. 

 

@TheAnonymousPoster get 2x780s for max performance, if you have 1000$

[Beefy]

I would personally get the 780ti, unless you are going to be utilizing more than three gigs of vram. If you think you're going to be using more than that, I would maybe consider Titan.

 

Question: How would your rendering programs react to mutliple GPUS? Like 2x 780ti's?

[Tam3n]

If you weren't memory limited with the 670, 780 Ti will probably do the trick. If you think are going to render much more heavy scenes which will use 3 GB + in the future, then get the Titan (Black).

[TheAnonymousPoster]

I would personally get the 780ti, unless you are going to be utilizing more than three gigs of vram. If you think you're going to be using more than that, I would maybe consider Titan.

 

Question: How would your rendering programs react to mutliple GPUS? Like 2x 780ti's?

Vray Rt does allow for mutliple gpus to be used and to my knowledge i don't think mental ray does as of yet, however i rarely use this renderer nowadays anyway unless for specific case uses.  Titan black is a  wee bit out my price range at the moment, and although rare I may push the 3gb limit for frame buffers from time to time, Ie some scenes im working on at the moment have 50-100 4k texture maps on them however Maya allows you to change the cache for this and utilize system memory so it not a huge issue. 

 

I'll pester autodesk and chaos group too to see what they think! It seems there is as much confusion around which is best as i thought, especially at this price range!

 

 

Edit: 

 

A nice little preview of a 780 v Titan for rendering, shame there isn't a 780ti version!

[LmeAde2]

Definitely go with the EVGA GTX Titan Black SC http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IKQOPZW. It will perform better than both for the same cost as the Titan.

[LawrenceBarnes2013]

titan ,built for it

[TheAnonymousPoster]

Definitely go with the EVGA GTX Titan Black SC http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IKQOPZW. It will perform better than both for the same cost as the Titan.

 A wee bit out my price range, i'm spending £500 all in all, the Titan black comes in at about £900. I have both lined up for that price hence the shoot out. The titan is winning it seems at the moment though!

[TheAnonymousPoster]

Iv'e come to a semi-conclusion, there are currently no 3D rendering engines which use double precision for their calculations, and there probably never will be. Whilst the double memory on the titan is favorable the fully unlocked core and higher clock speeds of the 780ti would prove to be more of an advantage for the smaller scale renders. Benchmarks ive seen for rendering, not gaming, the 780ti out performs the titan, a 780 outperforms a K4000 so that's more then good enough for me.

 

I'll run some standard vray rt tests too and compare it to the 670 just to see how much of an improvment there is, and i'll do some nuke 4k encoding too on a simple vfx shot!

 

feel free to comment if you think its the wrong thing!

[virtualTune]

the 780 ti has more cuda cores than the regular titan so those will help you with rendering in maya. The titan has the extra vram which will help your live view be more fluid and handle for polygons/particles. The titan black would be your best option as you get the best of both worlds. Either way, I don't think you will see a huge difference between the two cards you mentioned. And if you do want to still be gaming high end, then the Ti is probably better in the long run.

[TheAnonymousPoster]

the 780 ti has more cuda cores than the regular titan so those will help you with rendering in maya. The titan has the extra vram which will help your live view be more fluid and handle for polygons/particles. The titan black would be your best option as you get the best of both worlds. Either way, I don't think you will see a huge difference between the two cards you mentioned. And if you do want to still be gaming high end, then the Ti is probably better in the long run.

Sums up what I found exactly, the black is the perfect solution but it's out my price range which is a bit of a bummer. The 780ti seems to be the better solution with the fully unlocked cores and although I do 4k encoding its dumped to ram with my hex core the 670 rarely struggles as is with view port only really heavy scenes. I think a nice evga acx 780ti sc will do!

[virtualTune]

good luck. make sure you return to us with your review. there aren't many gpu reviews for 3d artists

[TheAnonymousPoster]

Well ive been talking to Nvidia and Autodesk, they've both said the same thing, although the Titan has a higher frame buffer and vram maya can borrow from the system memory to compensate if need be, hitting the 3gb is extremely rare too unless you're pushing 4k renders with a crap-tonne of textures, even so it pushes it into system memory (which is slower and hence why the QUadro series gpus have 12gb+ of memory) 

 

Push comes to shove, the 780ti has the same amount of Cuda cores as a K6000, without the memory or insane precision / performance, so words from Nvidia Theoretically a 780ti should be quicker then a Titan as rendering engines at the moment dont take advantage of double precision cards, it has higher clock speeds and more cores.

 

Soo... 780ti it is....EVGA... just...which...version!

 

 

[virtualTune]

Just get the one with an ACX cooler. Overclocking will not help your rendering performance more than a couple seconds, but the ACX cooler will be a little more quiet than the nvidia one and its cheaper too.

[TheAnonymousPoster]

I'm going with the Refernece cooler but a superclocked edition, my chassis is a small form factor with some-what limited airflow at the moment. the blower with it pushing air out the back *Should* be the best choice..hopefully

[gigabyte]

Titan black or the r9 295x2 (the name is 295x2 only 1 card) but only 295x2 if you'll watercool it.

[virtualTune]

Titan black or the r9 295x2 (the name is 295x2 only 1 card) but only 295x2 if you'll watercool it.

295 is a terrible choice! you need an Nvidia card if you work with Maya etc.

[gigabyte]

295 is a terrible choice! you need an Nvidia card if you work with Maya etc.

He said rendering which probably means Sony Vegas but I'd personally go with nvidia because I trust them more.

[virtualTune]

"most of my work comes from NukeX (which fully supports gpu acceleration) and Autodesk Maya"

Just read a little more careful next time

Anyways, he has made a decision

[TheAnonymousPoster]

He said rendering which probably means Sony Vegas but I'd personally go with nvidia because I trust them more.

 

Nope, i'm a CGI artist, Maya, Mental and Vray at my tools. 

 

I went with a 780ti in the end and its phenominal. Vray RT is about 20% quicker then my 3960x now with the gpu. Rendering iv'e not had chance to test yet ( You have to config some dll's fo rmental ray gpu rendering) however there is a VAST improvement over the 670 as expcted. I'll post up some benchmarks soon, the extra cuda cores and higher clock definitely helps more then the double precision from the titan. EVGA are launching a 6gb 780ti soon too.. i'll be "stepping up" to that.

[gylmir]

AMD all the way no matter how hard your nvidia boy AMD gpu will always be better at rendering and instead wasting money on K5000 get a W9100 or everything cheaper than K5000 from amd line is better

[TheAnonymousPoster]

AMD all the way no matter how hard your nvidia boy AMD gpu will always be better at rendering and instead wasting money on K5000 get a W9100 or everything cheaper than K5000 from amd line is better

 

This isn't a "AMD nvidia fanboy battle" this was purely for my choice of card what would be best. Maya also relies heavily on PhysX for its simulation and Ndynamics, mental ray is also made by nVidia along with their MIP shaders so for my purposes, and not using a workstation card, Nvidia was the best choice.