Cpu needs Bios update

[TheProHotDog]

Budget (including currency): Around 1750

Country: Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: GTA, CS:GO, MC, Red Dead Redemption.

Other details:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler

MB: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard

RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory

Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

               Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card

PSU: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Case: NZXT H510i ATX Mid Tower Case

 

When I checked if all these parts were compatibel, it said:

Some AMD X570 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Vermeer CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

And idk if my CPU will work?!?

[Eigenvektor]

6 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

Some AMD X570 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Vermeer CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

The BIOS updates have been out for over a year at this point. Unless the board you buy is that old, it'll already have the necessary update pre-applied at the factory. PCP is just showing this warning because, technically, it could still be true.

 

~edit: Any particular reason you want to go with X570 instead of the newer B550? Unless you need the additional PCIe 4.0 lanes, it's not really worth it.

[TheProHotDog]

3 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

The BIOS updates have been out for over a year at this point. Unless the board you buy is that old, it'll already have the necessary update pre-applied at the factory. PCP is just showing this warning because, technically, it's still true.

https://www.mbreviews.com/update-msi-x570-bios-amd-zen3/

But here they say I do have to do it?

[Eigenvektor]

2 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

https://www.mbreviews.com/update-msi-x570-bios-amd-zen3/

But here they say I do have to do it?

That article is a few months old already, most likely you won't have to apply the update. If you're worried, check with the vendor before you buy whether the board has been updated already. Otherwise it's not that difficult, provided you have another PC available to download the update and a USB stick you can place the files on.

[Lurick]

It doesn't matter, your motherboard, per this review, has BIOS flashback allowing updates without the CPU. You just put the BIOS on the USB drive, stick it in, press the button and wait a few minutes for it to update and then you can install your CPU.

 

5 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

https://www.mbreviews.com/update-msi-x570-bios-amd-zen3/

But here they say I do have to do it?

 

[Downkey]

18 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

Budget (including currency): Around 1750

Country: Netherlands

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: GTA, CS:GO, MC, Red Dead Redemption.

Other details:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler

MB: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard

RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory

Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

               Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card

PSU: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Case: NZXT H510i ATX Mid Tower Case

 

When I checked if all these parts were compatibel, it said:

Some AMD X570 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Vermeer CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

And idk if my CPU will work?!?

Build critiques (because why not?)

-You are spending alot on a motherboard, just get the B550 version
-That case sucks

[TheProHotDog]

8 minutes ago, Downkey said:

Build critiques (because why not?)

-You are spending alot on a motherboard, just get the B550 version
-That case sucks

Whats the difference between the B550 version and the X570?

 

And why does the case suck, all my friends say that the NZXT cases are really good

[Eigenvektor]

5 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

Whats the difference between the B550 version and the X570?

B550 is most likely a bit cheaper and it has the newer chipset. The "downside" to B550 over X570 would be that you get fewer PCIe 4.0 lanes. But seeing as you aren't using any PCIe 4.0 capable SSDs (or GPUs), that shouldn't be an issue.

 

You can still use/support one PCIe 4.0 capable GPU and one PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD on a B550 board. With X570 you could get more of those SSDs, but unless you need that, why buy the more expensive board?

[Downkey]

6 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

Whats the difference between the B550 version and the X570?

Only real difference between b550 and X570 is B550 only allows for one PCIE GEN4 SSD, (fewer pcie gen4 lanes) but you aren't even using one PCIE GEN4 drive, so getting X570 is a waste of money here. The B550 Tomahawk is a great board, and is also great value!
 

 

6 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

And why does the case suck, all my friends say that the NZXT cases are really good

Oh boy. Where are your friends getting the info that the cases are good? Looks wise, it is pretty good. But thermally and practically? it's awful. The case has a poor stock fan config and almost no airflow. Your temps are going to very poor in this case. getting a case like the P400A, P360a, Meshify C (Add a 120mm fan if you get this), P500A-D, 4000D airflow, etc, would all be MUCH better.

[TheProHotDog]

12 minutes ago, Downkey said:

Only real difference between b550 and X570 is B550 only allows for one PCIE GEN4 SSD, (fewer pcie gen4 lanes) but you aren't even using one PCIE GEN4 drive, so getting X570 is a waste of money here. The B550 Tomahawk is a great board, and is also great value!
 

 

Oh boy. Where are your friends getting the info that the cases are good? Looks wise, it is pretty good. But thermally and practically? it's awful. The case has a poor stock fan config and almost no airflow. Your temps are going to very poor in this case. getting a case like the P400A, P360a, Meshify C (Add a 120mm fan if you get this), P500A-D, 4000D airflow, etc, would all be MUCH better.

What case do you think is the best for me, from the once's that you just said?

 

And btw the B550 version doesn't have wifi 6, and I need that. I can't always use a cable.

[Downkey]

14 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

What case do you think is the best for me, from the once's that you just said?

 

And btw the B550 version doesn't have wifi 6, and I need that. I can't always use a cable.

Any of the cases I listed would be good

 

this mobo is also great and has WiFi 6 https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi

[TheProHotDog]

5 minutes ago, Downkey said:

Any of the cases I listed would be good

 

this mobo is also great and has WiFi 6 https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi

Oke thx, but does this motherboard need a BIOS update because of my CPU or not?

 

And btw this motherboard has 1 USB slot less, is there something so I can get more USB slots??

[Downkey]

11 minutes ago, TheProHotDog said:

Oke thx, but does this motherboard need a BIOS update because of my CPU or not?

 

And btw this motherboard has 1 USB slot less, is there something so I can get more USB slots??

This has a feature called BIOS flashback. SO in case it isn't updated just use this

I would think the USB ports are enough?

[TheProHotDog]

1 minute ago, Downkey said:

This has a feature called BIOS flashback. SO in case it isn't updated just use this

I would think the USB ports are enough?

Isn't there a device that you can plug in into your PC, so you get like 5 more USB slots??

[Downkey]

1 minute ago, TheProHotDog said:

Isn't there a device that you can plug in into your PC, so you get like 5 more USB slots??

there are some, but it takes up a USB C port, and sometimes can interfere with some 2.4GHZ connections

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, Downkey said:

there are some, but it takes up a USB C port, and sometimes can interfere with some 2.4GHZ connections

There are USB3.0 Type A hubs out there for sure, quality can vary depending on where/who you buy it from though.

[Middcore]

Could get a PCIe card with more rear USB ports.

 

I can't imagine a person actually using up all of the ports on any modern ATX board, especially considering that the front of the case will have at least a couple more. 

[MartinTheActor]

Just another thing to consider here: if you get the Motherboard from a *good* retailer they should update the BIOS on their stock. I've bought four MoBos over the last year, two from one retailer, two from a different retailer, both retailers were independents. Both retailers had updated the BIOS on the boards they dispatched. For reference the boards in question were an A320, a B450, a B550, and a X570. The A320 and B550s were Gigabyte, and the 450/570 were AsRock.

Of course no every retailer will do this, but if there's an indie retailer you favour, maybe contact their customer service and ask if their latest stock has the latest bios?

[Middcore]

11 minutes ago, MartinTheActor said:

Just another thing to consider here: if you get the Motherboard from a *good* retailer they should update the BIOS on their stock. I've bought four MoBos over the last year, two from one retailer, two from a different retailer, both retailers were independents. Both retailers had updated the BIOS on the boards they dispatched. For reference the boards in question were an A320, a B450, a B550, and a X570. The A320 and B550s were Gigabyte, and the 450/570 were AsRock.

Of course no every retailer will do this, but if there's an indie retailer you favour, maybe contact their customer service and ask if their latest stock has the latest bios?

 

"Good" here is kind of nebulous.

 

If there's some mom-and-pop corner computer shop still somehow holding on in your town, perhaps they might do this. (Whether it would be worth buying from them for this convenience considering the inflated prices such retailers usually charge is another matter.)

 

For stores like Micro Center, or anybody any bigger, this just isn't going to happen. It's not practical for them to have employees take literally hundreds of boards off the shelves, open them up, update the BIOS, and then repackage them. 

[MartinTheActor]

19 hours ago, Middcore said:

 

"Good" here is kind of nebulous.

 

If there's some mom-and-pop corner computer shop still somehow holding on in your town, perhaps they might do this. (Whether it would be worth buying from them for this convenience considering the inflated prices such retailers usually charge is another matter.)

 

For stores like Micro Center, or anybody any bigger, this just isn't going to happen. It's not practical for them to have employees take literally hundreds of boards off the shelves, open them up, update the BIOS, and then repackage them. 

So, in this case I wasn't going to name names, but it was eBuyer and CCLOnline. eBuyer is the largest retailer of it's kind here in the UK with over 4 Million registered customers and is still independently owned. Neither are retailers I would consider 'mom and pop', and I don't think they'd be in the same category as Micro Center. Of course scale of country and customers may be incredibly different due to regional differences.

I do appreciate what you're saying of course, a retail giant like Amazon, this may well be true. However, there is a customer service element here. Especially, when it comes to retailers that also offer build services where you pick parts and they build (as I understand Micro Center do), at least when building a computer for customers it'd be necessary if a customer does a pick and build with a newer ryzen CPU on a 450 board for example. More than that, given how much of our modern logistics run on 'Just In Time' deliveries, the major burden for this ought to reside with manufacturers. It's pretty rare (over here in the UK at least) to have an individual store that is stocking 'hundreds' of boards. Of course with sheer distances and scales in the US being so much difference I guess the logistics systems run differently and there'd be a need for greater stock.

Perhaps it's just another difference in the way things are done between here and elsewhere. Or perhaps in all four occasions I lucked out and it saved me work building other people's rigs.