8 core or 6?

[Gabin]

I am looking at a ryzen 5 5600 and a ryzen 7 3700x. The ryzen 5 has 6 cores and the ryzen 7 has 8 cores wich one is better for cad?

[ItItsMe]

I am not a very big expert, but by looking in to it, I think the Ryzen 5 5600 is better. It is newer and faster in games and other programs most of the time

[Hairless Monkey]

The 5600X is better than the 3700X in almost all cases. Definitely better in single thread applications, and on par in multi-thread applications.

[Eigenvektor]

Based on this answer from AutoCAD, I would assume other CAD solutions are similar.

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AutoCAD and AutoCAD for Mac support multi-core technology only in specific areas of the product:

• 2D regeneration

To fully benefit from multi-core processors, use multi-threaded software. AutoCAD is predominantly a single-threaded application.

 

So the 5600x should be the better choice, since it has faster cores.

[Hairless Monkey]

2 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

Based on this answer from AutoCAD, I would assume other CAD solutions are similar.

 

So the 5600x should be the better choice, since it has faster cores.

Same with Solidworks fyi.

[CryingWimp]

Get the newer 5600x, it is a lot faster for almost everything, the overall experience will be better on the 5600x. The only time the 3700x would be faster is during 100% multithreaded workloads that peg the CPU at 100%, and even then its only a tiny bit faster.

 

A 10700 is better than a 3700x

 

8 cores is an amazing experience compared to 6, but you want either the 5800x or Intel 10700/11700

 

If you live near microcenter, get a 10850k. They are $319, easy win over everything remotely close to that price point. Its a high end CPU on discount for mid-tier price. Only the Ryzen 9s 5900x/5950x are faster.

 

Ryzen 3000 is slower and more expensive than Intel 10th gen. Ryzen 3000 only made sense back when it was cheaper, being slower was acceptable at a cheaper price. It's only better as purely a render box.

 

Zen3 or Intel 10th/11th gen is what you want in 2021.

5600x easily wins over a 3700x, and in your case over the 10700/11700 as well.

[Gabin]

1 hour ago, CryingWimp said:

Get the newer 5600x, it is a lot faster for almost everything, the overall experience will be better on the 5600x. The only time the 3700x would be faster is during 100% multithreaded workloads that peg the CPU at 100%, and even then its only a tiny bit faster.

 

A 10700 is better than a 3700x

 

8 cores is an amazing experience compared to 6, but you want either the 5800x or Intel 10700/11700

 

If you live near microcenter, get a 10850k. They are $319, easy win over everything remotely close to that price point. Its a high end CPU on discount for mid-tier price. Only the Ryzen 9s 5900x/5950x are faster.

 

Ryzen 3000 is slower and more expensive than Intel 10th gen. Ryzen 3000 only made sense back when it was cheaper, being slower was acceptable at a cheaper price. It's only better as purely a render box.

 

Zen3 or Intel 10th/11th gen is what you want in 2021.

5600x easily wins over a 3700x, and in your case over the 10700/11700 as well.

woulda i5 10600 work well to?

[CryingWimp]

55 minutes ago, Gabin said:

woulda i5 10600 work well to?

Yes. Intel is great.

The 5600x is objectively faster, but more expensive. Personal preference if Zen3 is worth the extra $.

 

I recommend intel to most people because its cheaper, up until 5900x/5950x budget. But some people don't mind paying extra to have the faster CPU. Intel easily is the better value.

Zen3 cost more money than the performance increase, so your paying a lot extra for the performance difference - NA prices anyhow.

Zen3 is anywhere from 5-20% faster than a 10600 depending on what your doing.

 

 

If they are similar prices go Zen3, its a decent amount faster.

If you make money with your PC get Zen3

 

Otherwise the 10600 will also be great and cheaper.

IMO - 8 cores is recommended in 2021, in all but entry level systems. If budget is a big concern Intel 6 cores are the best value choice.

[Gabin]

41 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

Yes. Intel is great.

The 5600x is objectively faster, but more expensive. Personal preference if Zen3 is worth the extra $.

 

I recommend intel to most people because its cheaper, up until 5900x/5950x budget. But some people don't mind paying extra to have the faster CPU. Intel easily is the better value.

Zen3 cost more money than the performance increase, so your paying a lot extra for the performance difference - NA prices anyhow.

Zen3 is anywhere from 5-20% faster than a 10600 depending on what your doing.

 

 

If they are similar prices go Zen3, its a decent amount faster.

If you make money with your PC get Zen3

 

Otherwise the 10600 will also be great and cheaper.

IMO - 8 cores is recommended in 2021, in all but entry level systems. If budget is a big concern Intel 6 cores are the best value choice.

so like a i7 is better?

[CryingWimp]

An i7 would be better than a i5 yes. I would recommend it if the budget allows.

 

The 5600x and 10700 are pretty equal. They trade blows depending on the task.

[Gabin]

1 minute ago, CryingWimp said:

An i7 would be better than a i5 yes. I would recommend it if the budget allows.

 

The 5600x and 10700 are pretty equal. They trade blows depending on the task.

so which one would be better for cad?

[CryingWimp]

The 5600x. Zen3 is very fast.

 

Price is the only reason to consider other options.

[Gabin]

3 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

An i7 would be better than a i5 yes. I would recommend it if the budget allows.

 

The 5600x and 10700 are pretty equal. They trade blows depending on the task.

or what about a threadripper?

[CryingWimp]

What exactly are you doing?

 

Are you mostly waiting for your CPU to process stuff? Get the fastest multicore cpu you can afford.

Or are you actively using the software? Zen3 5000 is fastest.

 

If you want the best of both worlds your going to spend a lot of money.

 

Pick your budget, then pick your CPU within that budget.

 

Zen3 5000 are the fastest consumer CPUs in the world. They just cost more money, so whether its worth spending the difference over Intel is personal preference.

[Gabin]

6 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

Zen3 is better.

what is better for ram for a zen 3    ddr3200  or ddr3600?

[-rascal-]

13 minutes ago, Gabin said:

what is better for ram for a zen 3    ddr3200  or ddr3600?

 

DDR4-3200 CL14 is better than DDR4-3600 CL16 or CL18+

 

I'm currently seeing prices, at least in my region, between the i5-11600K and the Ryzen 5600X are in the same bracket/range. If the price between the AMD and Intel counter-part, for you, I would get the AMD chip.

[CryingWimp]

All else being equal, Ryzen is faster with higher MTs. Above 3600 likely will not work though.

 

Above 3200cl16 or its equivalent gets expensive fast.

 

 

Quick dirty trick to compare kits of ram

Divide the MTs by the CL rating

 

3200CL16 vs 3600CL18

3200/16=200

3600/18=200

They are basically equal. Get which ever is cheaper.

 

3600CL14 vs 3600CL18

3200/14=228.5 is faster

3600/cl18=200

Faster ram gets expensive fast. In Canada, those kits are nearly twice the price difference.

 

 

IMO fast ram is a waste on a budget system, get a faster CPU first.

[Gabin]

48 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

All else being equal, Ryzen is faster with higher MTs. Above 3600 likely will not work though.

 

Above 3200cl16 or its equivalent gets expensive fast.

 

 

Quick dirty trick to compare kits of ram

Divide the MTs by the CL rating

 

3200CL16 vs 3600CL18

3200/16=200

3600/18=200

They are basically equal. Get which ever is cheaper.

 

3600CL14 vs 3600CL18

3200/14=228.5 is faster

3600/cl18=200

Faster ram gets expensive fast. In Canada, those kits are nearly twice the price difference.

 

 

IMO fast ram is a waste on a budget system, get a faster CPU first.

if i go with a i5 10600 should i go with ddr4 2666 or is ddr 3200 beter?

[CryingWimp]

3200CL16 is probably the sweet spot for value. Under that, ram gets pretty crappy and is only $5 cheaper. At least in my area.

[Gabin]

35 minutes ago, CryingWimp said:

3200CL16 is probably the sweet spot for value. Under that, ram gets pretty crappy and is only $5 cheaper. At least in my area.

is it good if the cl is 22 or 20? is it better than 16 for ddr4 3200?

[freeagent]

When it come to CL lower is always better.

[CryingWimp]

Higher MTs is faster. 3600MTs is better than 3000MTs

Lower CL is faster. CL16 is better than CL18

 

With 3200MTs ram - don't get higher than CL16. Only very bad ram is higher than CL16.

 

The sweet spot for pricing is 3200CL16, faster gets expensive.

[freeagent]

Just now, CryingWimp said:

Higher MTs is faster. 3600MTs is better than 3000MTs

Lower CL is faster. CL16 is better than CL18

 

With 3200MTs ram - don't get higher than CL16. Only very bad ram is higher than CL16.

 

The sweet spot for pricing is 3200CL16, faster gets expensive.

I guess it depends what you are doing.. but yes faster is better generally, I was thinking about latency. I don't actually run 3200C14 myself.. that is just stock. I normally run 3733 flat 14s at 1.5v so I might be a bit out of touch.

 

Edit:

 

My post count is almost as high as my FCLK 

[CryingWimp]

I dream about a top bin Samsung Bdie kit  I'm even single rank   HMM...HMMM.... I look at them all the time

 

3666CL18 LUL, could probably tune better but my clear cmos jumper is a tight reach in my ITX case. I forgot to wire the reset switch to it  Swapping a fan when it arrives, I'll connect the reset switch to the cmos jumper then.

 

My AIO is in the way, I had to build part of the case around it 

[freeagent]

I bought them in November, then another pair a month later because I saw that GN video haha.. This is my first new build since I had kids starting 9 years ago so I spoiled myself a little.. but they are my first pairs of DDR4 so I am still a noob. Lots of guys here know waay more than I do.. I just got lucky.

 

Don't feel bad for what you have.. its yours! If its tuned cool man, if not its all good too.. I know what its like to push stuff that was purchased with a budget in mind.. sometimes that's even more fun then expensive stuff. As long as you are having fun, that's all that counts man! This is a hobby, and the cool thing about this one is you can spend as much or as little as you want, and chances are its still going to be pretty close.

 

And hey.. just off the top of my head, my fave CPU to clock was my first Conroe, an e6300.. from 1.8 to 3.7 that thing was psychotic   Pure budget.  Love you're hardware, because as long as she powers up, she loves you right back lol..

 

Up until November I was using 10 year old hardware 

 

/ramble