Lame Busyness PC

[DG House]

Hi Nerds, im planning to do a buiness PC for a tax consultant

i told him to buy a all in one office/terminal PC but he really want i from me.... well hes gonna paid good ^^

 

He specially request to keep all his data with his win7

So i think cloning the old HDD to a new SSD, but i never did cloning before

is there another way to do that ? (no imagine)

 

and btw, i can choose between a Ryzen 3200G and a Ryzen Pro 3350G for the same price

is there a real advantage/benefit with a Ryzen Pro CPU ?

 

 

 

 

[jaslion]

Euhm big nono there.

 

7 for a start is no longer supported and a security risk ESPECIALLY for someone doing ya know taxes.

 

Also windows 7 DOES NOT AT ALL like moving between hardware the chances that it will even boot is extremely slim and if ti boots the chances that it will actually just work stably are even slimmer. That and there is NO driver support for windows 7 on ryzen 3000 apu's.

 

So if they want to keep 7 which is a horrible idea they are stuck on old used hardware.

 

Ryzen pro is just a branding nothing more. I'd say look as a asrock deskmini. Neat little barebones that are pretty amazing at what they do and you just add the rest that isn't case psu and motherboard.

[Fasauceome]

6 minutes ago, DG House said:

So i think cloning the old HDD to a new SSD, but i never did cloning before

is there another way to do that ? (no imagine)

Macrium Reflect is a free program that works for cloning. Just keep in mind that the partition on the hard drive needs to be small enough to fit on the SSD.

 

6 minutes ago, DG House said:

and btw, i can choose between a Ryzen 3200G and a Ryzen Pro 3350G for the same price

 

The Ryzen Pro CPU is the obvious choice, more performance for the same cost. However, there is one hitch:

 

Windows 7 is not compatible with any Ryzen hardware. No drivers are available, and motherboards will refuse to boot a windows 7 drive.

 

Upgrade this user's CPU and ram if you can, see if you can retrofit parts onto his new system with the used market, but he's not gonna get modern parts with support for windows 7

[emosun]

Windows 7 doeant support newer hardware and it also doesnt support booting with different hardware off the same install so the new machine would need to either use windows 10 or be older hardware compatible with 7 and be a new install of 7

[jaslion]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

Macrium Reflect is a free program that works for cloning. Just keep in mind that the partition on the hard drive needs to be small enough to fit on the SSD.

 

The Ryzen Pro CPU is the obvious choice, more performance for the same cost. However, there is one hitch:

 

Windows 7 is not compatible with any Ryzen hardware. No drivers are available, and motherboards will refuse to boot a windows 7 OS>

7 will often boot but it will be unusable. Because as you said no drivers and this can be as bad as the usb ports just not working.

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

7 will often boot but it will be unusable. Because as you said no drivers and this can be as bad as the usb ports just not working.

I've tried a couple systems, they just act like the drive with windows 7 isn't an option for booting. But maybe that's more common in a certain price class or something.

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

I've tried a couple systems, they just act like the drive with windows 7 isn't an option for booting. But maybe that's more common in a certain price class or something.

It honestly random. I've not managed to get a boot on 500 series builds. I mainly just do this for fun or because I forget my linux wipe drive has 7 on it still and that autoboots. I do count crashing as a boot cuz that means 7 wants to work at least a bit :p.

[Catsrules]

10 minutes ago, jaslion said:

7 will often boot but it will be unusable. Because as you said no drivers and this can be as bad as the usb ports just not working.

Yeah I have had that issue before years ago it is terrible because no USB ports = no mouse or keyboard unless your likely enough to have a PS2 keyboard laying around with the motherboard that happens to have PS2.

 

In my situation I lucked out because I had remote desktop enabled and the network card had drivers to work, so I could remote desktop into the computer and fix the driver problems  otherwise I think it would have been screwed as even safe mode wasn't working.

[DG House]

Thanks Lads for that fast load of information ^^

 

In conlclusion, i have 2 option

- ether build him a new PC with win 10 and cloning his HDD on a SSD

 

- or upgrade his CPU, RAM and storage as good as possible and stay on win 7

 

am i right ?

[Catsrules]

2 minutes ago, DG House said:

Thanks Lads for that fast load of information ^^

 

In conlclusion, i have 2 option

- ether build him a new PC with win 10 and cloning his HDD on a SSD

 

- or upgrade his CPU, RAM and storage as good as possible and stay on win 7

 

am i right ?

I don't know if I would bother with cloning the old HDD on the new SSD. Just copy the files from the old computer to the new computer. Keep the old computer around just in case you miss any files. But most files are stored under the user directory for his user account I just copy the entire user folder to a temporary location on the new computer and then just copy documents and desktop folder to the new user's documents and desktop.

 

Check on any programs he uses and see where it stores the files many will have an export and import options for any settings.

 

Also I would add an external drive to the budget and setup a backup software to do automated daily backups. So if his computer ever dies he has the backup drive to pull data from. 

I personally use Veeam Endpoint backup it has worked really well for me.

[Fasauceome]

16 minutes ago, DG House said:

- ether build him a new PC with win 10 and cloning his HDD on a SSD

 

if you clone his HDD to an SSD, it will keep the windows 7 environment and you'll be back at square one.

 

If the client does want to clone the OS for the sake of convenience, then pimping out the current system with a new CPU and whatever else would make the system better is the only real option. It all depends on his level of insistence with windows 7 usage. There's also the option to do something like an X99 system or use a B250 motherboard or something. Still have to deal with temperamental windows 7 install.