Low fps ? Why?

[TonnyM]

Hi , I recently upgraded to a RTX 3070 aorus master 8gb from a rx 5700 xt sapphire nitro 8gb oc, the problem here is that I feel like performance I get is less and quiet bad , 

I have a r5 3600 and 32 gb ram at 3200 MHz and the resolution I play is 1080 p

What can I do to improve the FPS, and why I don’t get the FPS I need to get ? The thing is that , I’ll give you this example , Fortnite , direct x12 setting high no dlss etc, frames are ok 170-180-200 but sometimes it dips really bad , really bad , for a couple of seconds 100-110-90 and I noticed that the gpu is not staying not even close to 80% usage and the usage of the cpu and gpu are almost the same, is this bottlenecking? I got more FPS from the amd one , is it driver issue ? I have 0 clues 

[TonnyM]

Also sorry for bad English , I didn’t sleep for 27 hours already I’m tired , I’m going to sleep , I hope I will get some answers , thanks a lot people !

[RAM555789]

What version did you download for your drivers and did you clean out the old ones?

[SkilledRebuilds]

Suss the 3600 on 5700XT vs 3070 in this video...
AMD has a Hardware Scheduler (Less CPU intensive) than Nvidia's Software Scheduler (CPU time needed to process)

This only was found out recently... (Not even two week old news)

[TonnyM]

8 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

What version did you download for your drivers and did you clean out the old ones?

Just deleted them , I will do a clean install of windows tomorrow 

[TonnyM]

7 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Suss the 3600 on 5700XT vs 3070 in this video...
AMD has a Hardware Scheduler (Less CPU intensive) than Nvidia's Software Scheduler (CPU time needed to process)

This only was found out recently... (Not even two week old news)

So you saying is a driver problem ? Or that’s how nvidia works ?

[SkilledRebuilds]

Just now, TonnyM said:

So you saying is a driver problem ? Or that’s how nvidia works ?

Nvidia works that way, they can't do anything to change it on currently released GPU's.
Maybe when they add a HW-Scheduler to the next gen...

Drivers aside...(Clean Optimized system aside, DDU old drivers aside..) it's just how Nvidia's GPUs work right now vs older CPU's needing overhead for the driver operations.

[TonnyM]

32 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Nvidia works that way, they can't do anything to change it on currently released GPU's.
Maybe when they add a HW-Scheduler to the next gen...

Drivers aside...(Clean Optimized system aside, DDU old drivers aside..) it's just how Nvidia's GPUs work right now vs older CPU's needing overhead for the driver operations.

I noticed now when I played cod mw, all setting all the way up, if the usage of the cpu gets closer to the gpu one FPS will drown , when the gpu is the one using more power , I get more FPS, I know how that works but idk why the cpu keeps coming back, I’ll see what I can do tomorrow , FPS was good 170-190 , and I turned on the resolution up ,  not exactly 1080 p

[jamvng]

15 minutes ago, TonnyM said:

I noticed now when I played cod mw, all setting all the way up, if the usage of the cpu gets closer to the gpu one FPS will drown , when the gpu is the one using more power , I get more FPS, I know how that works but idk why the cpu keeps coming back, I’ll see what I can do tomorrow , FPS was good 170-190 , and I turned on the resolution up ,  not exactly 1080 p

As shown in the Hardware Unboxed video, Nvidia has more CPU overhead, so if the game is pushing the CPU to max out, it'll drop your FPS. Is your 3600 actually being maxed at times though? This only matters if the CPU is hitting 100% or near it. 

 

Turning graphics settings or resolution up will also reduce any potential CPU bottleneck, as your GPU will be more likely to be the bottleneck. This would mitigate the big drops you might see when your CPU is maxxed

[looniam]

1 hour ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Nvidia works that way, they can't do anything to change it on currently released GPU's.
Maybe when they add a HW-Scheduler to the next gen...

seems they have?

 

andfrom NV

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5036/~/which-nvidia-gpus-support-hardware-accelerated-gpu-scheduling%3F

[uigiflip]

I guess you didn't see video that at 1080p AMD Radeon Cards usually better than Nvidia and Nvidia usually better at 1440p and 4k resolutions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLEIJhunaW8&t=985s

[Jay427]

I ran into a very similar problem in the past (2013) with GTX Titan on an entirely new system that was better in every way, and the game ran slower than on my old system.  That was actually a driver support issue because the game I played was ancient and nobody played anymore, don't imagine that's what's happening with you.

 

1 - AMD just does better in lower resolutions compared to Nvidia.

2 - Check your power supply.  It Shouldn't affect your FPS in games (shouldn't but might if you're on the verge of instability/frying components), but the new cards power consumption spikes higher than previous generations.  I think your card compared to your previous recommends 100 more watts -- might not be it, probably not, but worth a look.  Overlooking the PSU is just not smart, every part is important, and it's job is to keep your system from getting fried.

3 - Play with some of your video settings like drawdistance if it's in your game.  Nvidia like to automatically set these things which end up causing lower FPS so that your games "look better" instead of play better.  That's kindof Nvidia's thing: Look better.  AMD: Play better.

 

That's all I got.  I wish you luck.  I'm not an expert, I just really like the stock.

[TonnyM]

1 hour ago, Jay427 said:

I ran into a very similar problem in the past (2013) with GTX Titan on an entirely new system that was better in every way, and the game ran slower than on my old system.  That was actually a driver support issue because the game I played was ancient and nobody played anymore, don't imagine that's what's happening with you.

 

1 - AMD just does better in lower resolutions compared to Nvidia.

2 - Check your power supply.  It Shouldn't affect your FPS in games (shouldn't but might if you're on the verge of instability/frying components), but the new cards power consumption spikes higher than previous generations.  I think your card compared to your previous recommends 100 more watts -- might not be it, probably not, but worth a look.  Overlooking the PSU is just not smart, every part is important, and it's job is to keep your system from getting fried.

3 - Play with some of your video settings like drawdistance if it's in your game.  Nvidia like to automatically set these things which end up causing lower FPS so that your games "look better" instead of play better.  That's kindof Nvidia's thing: Look better.  AMD: Play better.

 

That's all I got.  I wish you luck.  I'm not an expert, I just really like the stock.

I have a 650 W supply , 3 coolers in front one in the back with rgb , aio pump with 2 coolers rgb, ryzen 5 3600 , 3 mechanical hard drives , and a ssd

[TonnyM]

3 minutes ago, TonnyM said:

I have a 650 W supply , 3 coolers in front one in the back with rgb , aio pump with 2 coolers rgb, ryzen 5 3600 , 3 mechanical hard drives , and a ssd

2* drives and actually 2 ssd, 1 is a Kingston 128 gb and the other one is a nvme Corsair 1 tb 

[TonnyM]

5 hours ago, jamvng said:

As shown in the Hardware Unboxed video, Nvidia has more CPU overhead, so if the game is pushing the CPU to max out, it'll drop your FPS. Is your 3600 actually being maxed at times though? This only matters if the CPU is hitting 100% or near it. 

 

Turning graphics settings or resolution up will also reduce any potential CPU bottleneck, as your GPU will be more likely to be the bottleneck. This would mitigate the big drops you might see when your CPU is maxxed

The gpu usage is random tbh, in call of duty from what I noticed, but the cpu is high as well sometimes but goes down sometimes and does it over again , FPS are good but sometimes they dip to 150 but goes back to 170-180

[TonnyM]

5 hours ago, jamvng said:

As shown in the Hardware Unboxed video, Nvidia has more CPU overhead, so if the game is pushing the CPU to max out, it'll drop your FPS. Is your 3600 actually being maxed at times though? This only matters if the CPU is hitting 100% or near it. 

 

Turning graphics settings or resolution up will also reduce any potential CPU bottleneck, as your GPU will be more likely to be the bottleneck. This would mitigate the big drops you might see when your CPU is maxxed

My cpu never hits Max usage but sometimes goes over the usage of gpu 

[TonnyM]

5 hours ago, looniam said:

seems they have?

 

andfrom NV

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5036/~/which-nvidia-gpus-support-hardware-accelerated-gpu-scheduling%3F

So they will make an update to fix the usage of the cpu so gpu does the work ?

[TonnyM]

5 hours ago, looniam said:

seems they have?

 

andfrom NV

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5036/~/which-nvidia-gpus-support-hardware-accelerated-gpu-scheduling%3F

Spoke with nvidia live chat and they said yea they will do that in may like it is said there , so they fix cpu usage so gpu does most of the work and gain the extra FPS 

[xg32]

9 hours ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Suss the 3600 on 5700XT vs 3070 in this video...
AMD has a Hardware Scheduler (Less CPU intensive) than Nvidia's Software Scheduler (CPU time needed to process)

This only was found out recently... (Not even two week old news)

ya... originally thought it was just an ampere problem, the drivers turning a 3070 into a 5700xt on a 5600x is a big problem they need to fix before next gen. 

[TonnyM]

2 hours ago, xg32 said:

ya... originally thought it was just an ampere problem, the drivers turning a 3070 into a 5700xt on a 5600x is a big problem they need to fix before next gen. 

indeed , i was losing some FPS cause I had to do a clean install of the drivers , so I installed windows again and the drivers , a little bit improvement , but gpu won’t go near 90% usage , always 80-87 max , rarely in some games is 99 percent