Overclocking and longevity.

[podkall]

I seem to need an overclocked CPU to play Warzone without stuttering.

 

Will the longevity technicaly stay the same as if I never were to overclock since I will be only overclocking when I play Warzone and the temps are below 70°C?

 

Also my CPU is pretty high quality, how much can I overclock it (to which temp) before it's a problem? Because with my Ryzen 3 1200 I was able to go from 3,5 all the way to slightly over 4Ghz where I stopped only because of temps reaching 90°C.

However now while still with a stock cooler, instead of having just 1 case - now I have 5 case fans and things are way cooler than before.

 

Thanks for answer.

[Rym]

Generally it is not recommended to overclock CPUs with the stock cooler.

 

I still have an i5 4670k that I OC'd to 4GHz for a while at 1.2V on stock cooler, even at stock settings it's not uncommon for it to run at 90C+ during gaming.

 

CPUs are difficult to kill, they're supposed to function for 10 years and the only reliable way to kill a CPU is to provide too much overvoltage which can kill it in minutes to hours, but will otherwise last a respectable amount of time with a good voltage even at high temperatures.

[podkall]

10 minutes ago, Rym said:

Generally it is not recommended to overclock CPUs with the stock cooler.

 

I still have an i5 4670k that I OC'd to 4GHz for a while at 1.2V on stock cooler, even at stock settings it's not uncommon for it to run at 90C+ during gaming.

 

CPUs are difficult to kill, they're supposed to function for 10 years and the only reliable way to kill a CPU is to provide too much overvoltage which can kill it in minutes to hours, but will otherwise last a respectable amount of time with a good voltage even at high temperatures.

yes but overclocking means more clocks, while also more voltage which means it's eating more voltage while it's also on higher temps due to clocking more and drawing more voltage

so the life span drops when overclocking, but I'm asking how much is it fine to overclock so it barely affects the lifespan?

Like is 80°C fine? or is it better to stay at like 75°C and below? or what?

[gal-m]

35 minutes ago, podkall said:

Will the longevity technicaly stay the same as if I never were to overclock

No. Technically degradation of silicon does and can occur, especially with overclocked CPU's pushing a lot of voltage.

Will you experience that during the course of ownership? Nope. Probably not.

I've been running an overclocked 3930K for 9 years now: 4,5GHz, high voltage (because my CPU isn't a good overclocker) and nothing has changed. Some CPU's might be more susceptible to this, but I don't have info like that on current hardware, because only time can tell. From what I remember there have been some reports of Ryzen 5000 degrading VERY quickly with high voltage (OC), but I'm not sure how credible they are (I think JayzTwoCents mentioned this also in one of his videos).

 

@podkall if you want to do serious overclocking get a better cooler, as that will make everything much less worrisome. Seriously.

[SavageNeo]

8 minutes ago, podkall said:

yes but overclocking means more clocks, while also more voltage which means it's eating more voltage while it's also on higher temps due to clocking more and drawing more voltage

so the life span drops when overclocking, but I'm asking how much is it fine to overclock so it barely affects the lifespan?

Like is 80°C fine? or is it better to stay at like 75°C and below? or what?

under 90c and 1.3V-1.35V 24/7 will be fine. wont really kill the cpu any faster.

 

my friend ran his 2500k for 7 years at 1.375V at 4.6ghz. He upgradec to r5 3600 and the cpu still works fine on his server

[podkall]

Just now, SavageNeo said:

under 90c and 1.3V-1.35V 24/7 will be fine. wont really kill the cpu any faster.

 

my friend ran his 2500k for 7 years at 1.375V at 4.6ghz. He upgradec to r5 3600 and the cpu still works fine on his server

And he has the machine running all day on 80-90°C?

 

2 minutes ago, gal-m said:

No. Technically degradation of silicon does and can occur, especially with overclocked CPU's pushing a lot of voltage.

Will you experience that during the course of ownership? Nope. Probably not.

I've been running an overclocked 3930K for 9 years now: 4,5GHz, high voltage (because my CPU isn't a good overclocker) and nothing has changed. Some CPU's might be more susceptible to this, but I don't have info like that on current hardware, because only time can tell. From what I remember there have been some reports of Ryzen 5000 degrading VERY quickly with high voltage (OC), but I'm not sure how credible they are (I think JayzTwoCents mentioned this also in one of his videos).

 

@podkall if you want to do serious overclocking get a better cooler, as that will make everything much less worrisome. Seriously.

Regarding my stock cooler, it's pretty good for a stock from 3,5 to 3,8Ghz the temps didn't go over 70°C which is pretty safe right? I actually found a screenshot, before at 3,8Ghz the temps would be at around 76°C and I believe with longer load it would go to 80, but since before all I had was 1 intake case fan

So with 5 case fans and more than 5°C decrease in temps on same overclock I think I'm fine, unless I want a "cheap CPU upgrade".

[gal-m]

9 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

my friend ran his 2500k for 7 years at 1.375V at 4.6ghz

Sandy Bridge CPU's were the absolute BOMB. Like I mentioned @SavageNeo I'm still running my 3930K @4,5 with a lot of voltage (can't remember what I have it set on) and it's going strong. I think Sandy Bridge-E and X79 was a platform WAY ahead of it's time - still PERFECTLY fine for gaming (1440p +) and no memory bottlenecks (quad channel).

[gal-m]

13 minutes ago, podkall said:

Regarding my stock cooler, it's pretty good for a stock from 3,5 to 3,8Ghz the temps didn't go over 70°C which is pretty safe right? I actually found a screenshot, before at 3,8Ghz the temps would be at around 76°C and I believe with longer load it would go to 80, but since before all I had was 1 intake case fan

So with 5 case fans and more than 5°C decrease in temps on same overclock I think I'm fine, unless I want a "cheap CPU upgrade".

I mean.. @podkall we can't really tell you that since not every setup is going to perform the same. Under 90C is technically fine, but I mean.. that's hot and I (personally) don't like running CPU's that hot.

 

Anyways, up to you, I guess. You're not going to do much damage anyways, even if your CPU reaches the temp limit - it'll just shut down.

[Rym]

Btw, I noticed that @podkall did not mention their exact CPU. The exact name of the CPU MUST be mentioned in order to receive correct information on overclocking advice.

[SavageNeo]

10 minutes ago, podkall said:

all day on 80-90°C?

like 75-80C yes

[podkall]

7 minutes ago, gal-m said:

I mean.. @podkall we can't really tell you that since not every setup is going to perform the same. Under 90C is technically fine, but I mean.. that's hot and I (personally) don't like running CPU's that hot.

 

Anyways, up to you, I guess. You're not going to do much damage anyways, even if your CPU reaches the temp limit - it'll just shut down.

I mean I'm not gonna overclock my CPU for League of Legends, it's just for Warzone (and maybe Apex) but I don't play BR games that often..

 

6 minutes ago, Rym said:

Btw, I noticed that @podkall did not mention their exact CPU. The exact name of the CPU MUST be mentioned in order to receive correct information on overclocking advice.

Ryzen 3 1200 - it's also highlighted in my signature

 

3 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

like 75-80C yes

So you believel any overclock that on 100% stress (cinebench) doesn't exceed 80°C is most likely safe?

[SavageNeo]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

 

 

So you believel any overclock that on 100% stress (cinebench) doesn't exceed 80°C is most likely safe?

try cinebench r23 30 minute stress test. it will be safe if under 90C and under 1.35V.

[podkall]

15 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

try cinebench r23 30 minute stress test. it will be safe if under 90C and under 1.35V.

Will try.

If anyone wants specific situation, I overclocked it to 4Ghz and used Cinebench R20, on first test temps went to 68°C after it was done I almost immidiately started the test again and the temps hanged around 67-68 and finaly spiking to only max of 69°C.

[SavageNeo]

6 minutes ago, podkall said:

Will try.

If anyone wants specific situation, I overclocked it to 4Ghz and used Cinebench R20, on first test temps went to 68°C after it was done I almost immidiately started the test again and the temps hanged around 67-68 and finaly spiking to only max of 69°C.

nah. try the r23 30 minute stress test or prime95 small FFT

[podkall]

36 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

nah. try the r23 30 minute stress test or prime95 small FFT

Just for you I did the 30minute in R23, although idk why, I thought that just 2 render tests are enough....

 

So for 90% of the time probably 100% but lets say 90% of the time the CPU was at 68°C going from 66-68 mainly staying at 68.

However CoreTemp shows that MaxTemp was 75°C but I never saw it go to 75°C but to be honest for about 20 minutes I was away from PC.

But I watched the temps 5 minutes before countdown went to 0. And the only temps I saw with my eyes were 68°C max.

Ryzen 3 1200 OCd to 4Ghz.

[Guest]

Is it Pinnacle ridge or Summit ridge? (Cpu-z will tell you)

 

Mine was a Summit Ridge. It's max clock on sub-ambient and TEC chilling (-30c) was about 4400mhz at nearly 1.6v. 

 

I'd stay around 1.45v or less on all cores if possible, diminishing returns after 4.1ghz.

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Is it Pinnacle ridge or Summit ridge? (Cpu-z will tell you)

 

Mine was a Summit Ridge. It's max clock on sub-ambient and TEC chilling (-30c) was about 4400mhz at nearly 1.6v. 

 

I'd stay around 1.45v or less on all cores if possible, diminishing returns after 4.1ghz.

Summit Ridge

[Mister Woof]

Do ASUS Realbench.

 

It will heat up both your cpu and gpu at the same time.

 

After adding a 3080 to my system, I noticed my gaming thermals on my cpu were higher than they used to be, but testing on CB didn't produce any higher results.

 

It wasn't until using Realbench again that I saw it was gpu dumping heat during gaming.

 

Cpu only tests don't show the whole picture.

 

Realnecmh will give you a more realistic test of all your hardware and imo is better than P95.