temps too high

[OCNewbee]

I have a 8600k @ 1.34v @4.8 avx offset 1. (I have a crap chip, this is probably the lowest vcore it will take. HWinfo recorded 1.334 after 10 minutes of blended)

I am currently using thermalright silverarrow 130 with noctua 120mmx25 (the stock fan was just crap) 

In prime 95 blended, I hit max temp of 89C after 10minutes.

it's been delidded yesterday with a cooper IHS.

I am using corsair 280x and I have two 80mm noctua as exhausts and I also have 140mm top fan blowing air to the cooler.

I have two 120mm corsair RGB fans as intakes

my ambient room temp is at ~23C.

 

The temps are still too high and I hate the noise. What can I do to lower it?

I do not want to go to AIO and I don't want to change the CPU cooler. I also don't want to downclock this. 

 

Should I install another fan in the middle? (between the intake and CPU cooler)

 

[jaslion]

Remove the overclock?

Get a better cooler?

 

Like really you basically maxed out airflow with all the fans so yeah not much you can do than those 2 things above.

[narrdarr]

What cooler are you using?

[OCNewbee]

8 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

What cooler are you using?

Thermalright silverarrow 130

[OCNewbee]

58 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Remove the overclock?

Get a better cooler?

 

Like really you basically maxed out airflow with all the fans so yeah not much you can do than those 2 things above.

I know u r right but not what i wanted to hear

[jaslion]

27 minutes ago, OCNewbee said:

I know u r right but not what i wanted to hear

It's what you have to hear tho. There isn't a solution to your problem as it is right now. Altho 90c is fin still 10c under throttling.

[narrdarr]

32 minutes ago, OCNewbee said:

Thermalright silverarrow 130

Thats a solid cooler. The only other solid cooler that can in a 280x would probably be a dark rock tf, but I dont think the tf would be much better if at all.

What the rest of you fan config?

What GPU do you have?

 

 

[OCNewbee]

Thats it 3 intake and 2 exhast 1cpu fan.

Intake 2x120mm corsair

1 140mm noctua right above the cooler

2 80mm noctua exhuast

1 120mm noctua cpus fan

All 25mm fans

 

Gpu 1080.

 

[narrdarr]

It may not be a full solution be I think much of you issue airflow. Flow being the important part. 

 

A better config

2x 140mm intake

1x 140mm tip rear exhaust maybe 2x 140mm top exhaust 

If fittable depending on the mobo. You can fit 1 to 2x 120mm in the bottom as intake.

Then keep the 2x 80mm exhaust.

[OCNewbee]

2 hours ago, narrdarr said:

It may not be a full solution be I think much of you issue airflow. Flow being the important part. 

 

A better config

2x 140mm intake

1x 140mm tip rear exhaust maybe 2x 140mm top exhaust 

If fittable depending on the mobo. You can fit 1 to 2x 120mm in the bottom as intake.

Then keep the 2x 80mm exhaust.

Thanks for the input. But unfortunatley, i cant do the 140mm top exhaust because there is a glass panel obstructing the exhaust. 

 

Do you think adding more intake would somehow lower the max temp. For example, add one more 140mm at the top or two more 120mm fan at the bottom?

[OCNewbee]

3 hours ago, jaslion said:

It's what you have to hear tho. There isn't a solution to your problem as it is right now. Altho 90c is fin still 10c under throttling.

Yeah but its the damn fan noise. Sounds like a jet engine.

[narrdarr]

14 minutes ago, OCNewbee said:

Thanks for the input. But unfortunatley, i cant do the 140mm top exhaust because there is a glass panel obstructing the exhaust. 

 

Do you think adding more intake would somehow lower the max temp. For example, add one more 140mm at the top or two more 120mm fan at the bottom?

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I have the same case.( I mean my GF does, but I handle the building and troubleshooting.) There is a glass panel, but it's lift and a dust filter.

Remove dust filter. Make it a exhaust. 

No need for a dust filter for an exhaust.

 

With what you have you should 

Go with 

2x 120mm front intake

1x 140mm top rear exhaust

2x 80mm rear exhaust

Do you have the fan that came with the cooler? Put that back in the middle of the cooler. Move the 120mm to the bottom.

 

When you can upgrade the front intakes to 2x 140mm.

 

 

I think your case lacks direction in your airflow. Your air should flow in one direction. Currently your 140 top intake is pushing the hot air down rather assisting in cooling. It does bring fresh air, but that just gets exhausted and not used by anything. 

 

The 120mm on the cpu cooler doesn't take advantage of the full surface area of the heatsink either. 

 

So yes I think these changes will help alot.

[OCNewbee]

21 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

?

I have the same case.( I mean my GF does, but I handle the building and troubleshooting.) There is a glass panel, but it's lift and a dust filter.

Remove dust filter. Make it a exhaust. 

No need for a dust filter for an exhaust.

 

With what you have you should 

Go with 

2x 120mm front intake

1x 140mm top rear exhaust

2x 80mm rear exhaust

Do you have the fan that came with the cooler? Put that back in the middle of the cooler. Move the 120mm to the bottom.

 

When you can upgrade the front intakes to 2x 140mm.

 

 

I think your case lacks direction in your airflow. Your air should flow in one direction. Currently your 140 top intake is pushing the hot air down rather assisting in cooling. It does bring fresh air, but that just gets exhausted and not used by anything. 

 

The 120mm on the cpu cooler doesn't take advantage of the full surface area of the heatsink either. 

 

So yes I think these changes will help alot.

yup quite interesting. I will try the exhaust defin. But as for the fan that came with thermalright, it is far too noisy and the fan performance seems to be rather poor. Noctua 120mm does a better job. I crudely measured it and the difference is around 2~3C. With decibels being much lower. 

 

What are your thoughts about placing a 140mm fan between the 2 120mm intake and the CPU cooler? I was thinking about buying anodized black steel brackets so I could install a 140mm fan infront of the CPU cooler and the ram.  

[narrdarr]

4 minutes ago, OCNewbee said:

yup quite interesting. I will try the exhaust defin. But as for the fan that came with thermalright, it is far too noisy and the fan performance seems to be rather poor. Noctua 120mm does a better job. I crudely measured it and the difference is around 2~3C. With decibels being much lower. 

 

What are your thoughts about placing a 140mm fan between the 2 120mm intake and the CPU cooler? I was thinking about buying anodized black steel brackets so I could install a 140mm fan infront of the CPU cooler and the ram.  

How long have you had that cooler. Thermalright fans are usually a vary solid and highly recommend. 

 

Wouldnt use a 140 between the 120's, but if you are using 2x 120mm fans on the cooler. Best order in performance is

1 front 1 middle

1 middle 1 rear

Even 1 middle 1 rear can perform vary badly depending the cooler. 1 front, 1 rear can be even worse.

 

 

So a single 140mm in middle should be fine for the fin density of the cooler without the 120's. 

 

Either way

[OCNewbee]

9 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

How long have you had that cooler. Thermalright fans are usually a vary solid and highly recommend. 

 

Wouldnt use a 140 between the 120's, but if you are using 2x 120mm fans on the cooler. Best order in performance is

1 front 1 middle

1 middle 1 rear

Even 1 middle 1 rear can perform vary badly depending the cooler. 1 front, 1 rear can be even worse.

 

 

So a single 140mm in middle should be fine for the fin density of the cooler without the 120's. 

 

Either way

I had this cooler for about a month. The TR fan was used for 10 minutes top. IMO, TR is no way in the same league as Noctua. Maybe this is because I bought this cooler from China through aliexpress. It came very poorly packaged.

 

Unfortunately, 140mm cannot be used a middle CPU fan. It does not fit the case. The CPU clearance is only 150mm on the 280x. The maximum fan height on this cooler that is compatible with the case is 130mm. I just ordered black steel brackets so I can do a 140mm in the middle. Lets see how this fans out lol. Will keep you updated. 

[OCNewbee]

7 hours ago, narrdarr said:

How long have you had that cooler. Thermalright fans are usually a vary solid and highly recommend. 

 

Wouldnt use a 140 between the 120's, but if you are using 2x 120mm fans on the cooler. Best order in performance is

1 front 1 middle

1 middle 1 rear

Even 1 middle 1 rear can perform vary badly depending the cooler. 1 front, 1 rear can be even worse.

 

 

So a single 140mm in middle should be fine for the fin density of the cooler without the 120's. 

 

Either way

thanks man. I lowered the temp by 3 degrees and this is with low noise adapter on the 2 120mm intake. (corsair fans are crazy noisy). To be honest though, the CPU cooler was slightly loose. I turned the screws around three times each side. (The guy who delidded my CPU sorta scared me. He told me that too much pressure may break the silicon die since the copper IHS is pretty much in direct contact)  it sucks that I had to remove the top filter but the glass panel is still on. I really didn't want to ruin the aesthetics of the case so I decided to leave the top glass panel. I think I should be happy at 86 C. The noise is quite tolerable. The case is somewhat quiet at full load thanks to the low noise adapter and the temps are somewhat under control thanks man.

[freeagent]

High performance and silence do not go hand in hand, especially when air cooling.

 

Your HSF is good, a Noctua would sweat just as much.

[OCNewbee]

Ha fellow TR. Right on. Ironic that my mighty u14s is not being used. Too big for this case.

[narrdarr]

2 hours ago, OCNewbee said:

thanks man. I lowered the temp by 3 degrees and this is with low noise adapter on the 2 120mm intake. (corsair fans are crazy noisy). To be honest though, the CPU cooler was slightly loose. I turned the screws around three times each side. (The guy who delidded my CPU sorta scared me. He told me that too much pressure may break the silicon die since the copper IHS is pretty much in direct contact)  it sucks that I had to remove the top filter but the glass panel is still on. I really didn't want to ruin the aesthetics of the case so I decided to leave the top glass panel. I think I should be happy at 86 C. The noise is quite tolerable. The case is somewhat quiet at full load thanks to the low noise adapter and the temps are somewhat under control thanks man.

People still us low noise adapters?

Why not just use better fans on a fan hub or splitter with an appropriate fan curve.

Great fans on a tight budget

Arctic:

P12 pwm

P12 pwm silent (caps at half rpm)

P14 pwm

P14 pwm silent

There an PST model of all off these. Which allows for the fan to daisy chain to each other. These compete with NH fans and are awesome at 10 to 15$. With there only down side that at certain speeds between 1000rpm and 1200rpm theres motor noise.

There also the bionix version if you want them to look a bit fancier.

 

A couple dollars more

Phanteks:

Ph f120mp

Ph f140mp

These fans dont get enough credit. I some of these and they rock. Moves tons of air, high static pressure, low noise. Can't daisy chain them tho. Fin love these. Everytime I put these in a build, I my head I'm just saying YES.

 

Scythe

Kaze flex 120mm

Kaze flex 140mm

Not design for brut force cooling but silentence instead. Pam fans with a vary low starting rpm and half the max rpm of your standard fan. They are static pressure but with the low rpm its not beefy not nothing to scoff @ considering the speed of the fan. 

 

There NH fan of course.

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Run a test will the filter on, see how it goes. It may work out.

 

 

[freeagent]

46 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

People still us low noise adapters?

Why not just use better fans on a fan hub or splitter with an appropriate fan curve.

 

 

 

Lol I hear you man. Only because I am using an LNA from my old D14

 

I have a little 93x35 4K screamer mounted under my GPU exhausting.

 

That little fan moves more air than my TY-143

[LogicalDrm]

So, whats the issue? Its not like you are running P95 all day and all night. Those temps, and I imagine need for cooling too, are just while you are running stress test. Do you get them while doing your regular tasks?

 

On the noise side you have two options. Lower the fan speed/tweak your curve. Or get case thats made with silence in mind. You have tempered glass and steel. Neither really known for sound dampening effect. I assume changing case is out of the question. So we come back to question, do you get same temps while doing normal tasks? If yes, then lowering OC is only realistic option. If no, you can lower fan speeds and still keep temps good.

[OCNewbee]

13 hours ago, narrdarr said:

People still us low noise adapters?

Why not just use better fans on a fan hub or splitter with an appropriate fan curve.

Well I do have an appropriate fan curve but once CPU package temps hit 80+ degrees, the fans are revved up to the max. At least this is the immutable setting on my Asus mobo. This is why I use a low noise adapter. 

Now, I am getting a bit greedy. I want to lower my temps a bit more, perhaps another 3 degrees. Any good ideas?

ex) place 2 more fans at the bottom of the case or install an additional 140mm exhaust? 

 

After measuring the inside of the case one more time, The bracket idea wouldn't work. Not enough room in the case. So I was thinking about zip tying a 60mm fan to the CPU cooler. So 60mm fan in the front and 120mm in the middle.

[OCNewbee]

8 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

So, whats the issue? Its not like you are running P95 all day and all night. Those temps, and I imagine need for cooling too, are just while you are running stress test. Do you get them while doing your regular tasks?

 

On the noise side you have two options. Lower the fan speed/tweak your curve. Or get case thats made with silence in mind. You have tempered glass and steel. Neither really known for sound dampening effect. I assume changing case is out of the question. So we come back to question, do you get same temps while doing normal tasks? If yes, then lowering OC is only realistic option. If no, you can lower fan speeds and still keep temps good.

well the temps do creep up to mid to high 70s in gaming sessions. When the temps hit high 70s, I start hearing noise. Before, I used prodigy with u14s so temp was NEVER a problem. So even small things look like a big deal because I essentially downgraded myself in terms of thermals. 

 

Yeah, I was pretty dumb with my case selection. The 280x looked so nice and it was an impulse buy. I got a really good deal on it. Also, I was looking for case with triple slots so I could install a 3070. But I can't even get a 3070... I really regret changing to this case. It looks very premium but that is about as far as it goes.

[narrdarr]

34 minutes ago, OCNewbee said:

Well I do have an appropriate fan curve but once CPU package temps hit 80+ degrees, the fans are revved up to the max. At least this is the immutable setting on my Asus mobo. This is why I use a low noise adapter. 

Now, I am getting a bit greedy. I want to lower my temps a bit more, perhaps another 3 degrees. Any good ideas?

ex) place 2 more fans at the bottom of the case or install an additional 140mm exhaust? 

 

After measuring the inside of the case one more time, The bracket idea wouldn't work. Not enough room in the case. So I was thinking about zip tying a 60mm fan to the CPU cooler. So 60mm fan in the front and 120mm in the middle.

 

38 minutes ago, OCNewbee said:

well the temps do creep up to mid to high 70s in gaming sessions. When the temps hit high 70s, I start hearing noise. Before, I used prodigy with u14s so temp was NEVER a problem. So even small things look like a big deal because I essentially downgraded myself in terms of thermals. 

 

Yeah, I was pretty dumb with my case selection. The 280x looked so nice and it was an impulse buy. I got a really good deal on it. Also, I was looking for case with triple slots so I could install a 3070. But I can't even get a 3070... I really regret changing to this case. It looks very premium but that is about as far as it goes.

 

FYI with asus's motherboard software (ai suite( or whatever it called)) there is an option that is called critical temperature that is check marked under fan expert. this feature forces fan to max out at around 75c. If you untick the box you'll have full control over your fan curve past that temperature.

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you might be a the limit of the case, cooler or both. before you go out buying fans. remove the front panel and side panel during your test and see if your temps drop any farther.

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no i wouldn't recommend using a 60mm in front. if your going to try adding fan to the cooler. they should be the same fans for best results.

 

[OCNewbee]

15 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

 

 

FYI with asus's motherboard software (ai suite( or whatever it called)) there is an option that is called critical temperature that is check marked under fan expert. this feature forces fan to max out at around 75c. If you untick the box you'll have full control over your fan curve past that temperature.

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you might be a the limit of the case, cooler or both. before you go out buying fans. remove the front panel and side panel during your test and see if your temps drop any farther.

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no i wouldn't recommend using a 60mm in front. if your going to try adding fan to the cooler. they should be the same fans for best results.

 

I am setting the fan curves in bios. The asus crate is a complete bloatware. But removing the front panel seems like a good idea to check if more airflow could help. Thanks again.