i7 4790 over heating

[ruchir_ezio]

So I had been noticing some stutter and lag while gaming on my pc. Upon realising that it was due to the cpu heating up to 90°c, I disassembled the whole pc, cleaned everything up, give the processor a fresh dollop of thermal paste. Booted it up, downloaded an application named open hardware monitor to check the temperature. The pc booted up at 60°c and while I was just casually YouTubing it went up to 87°c. This is after the thermal paste and the cleaning of the whole system. PS, I've been using the Intel heatsink on there for the last 6 years. 

 

[SkilledRebuilds]

9 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

So I had been noticing some stutter and lag while gaming on my pc. Upon realising that it was due to the cpu heating up to 90°c, I disassembled the whole pc, cleaned everything up, give the processor a fresh dollop of thermal paste. Booted it up, downloaded an application named open hardware monitor to check the temperature. The pc booted up at 60°c and while I was just casually YouTubing it went up to 87°c. This is after the thermal paste and the cleaning of the whole system. PS, I've been using the Intel heatsink on there for the last 6 years. 

 

Then remount it again.

Its not exactly that power hungry at sub90watts.

Likely the CPU mount needs some attention....again.

[Naijin]

13 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

So I had been noticing some stutter and lag while gaming on my pc. Upon realising that it was due to the cpu heating up to 90°c, I disassembled the whole pc, cleaned everything up, give the processor a fresh dollop of thermal paste. Booted it up, downloaded an application named open hardware monitor to check the temperature. The pc booted up at 60°c and while I was just casually YouTubing it went up to 87°c. This is after the thermal paste and the cleaning of the whole system. PS, I've been using the Intel heatsink on there for the last 6 years. 

 

If you can, get a decent aftermarket heatsink, that will always get you a lot better results than stock heatsink. The stock Intel heatsink probably uses those 4 rotating clips to mount it. Any aftermarket cooler will work better and get temps down. A good (cheap) and highly recommended (by everyone) cooler is the Hyper 212 by Cooler Master. It comes in lots of different editions and colors now.

 

BUT 87 degrees with Youtube is hot. It probably isn't mounted correctly.

[DoctorNick]

6 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

Then remount it again.

Its not exactly that power hungry at sub90watts.

Likely the CPU mount needs some attention....again.

Do this. And if you're not happy. Get a new cooler or delid cpu. (Delid is only if you have the balls to do so.) If you have a fairly decent cooler it should drop to about 60-70C.

[ruchir_ezio]

14 minutes ago, Naijin said:

If you can, get a decent aftermarket heatsink, that will always get you a lot better results than stock heatsink. The stock Intel heatsink probably uses those 4 rotating clips to mount it. Any aftermarket cooler will work better and get temps down. A good (cheap) and highly recommended (by everyone) cooler is the Hyper 212 by Cooler Master. It comes in lots of different editions and colors now.

 

BUT 87 degrees with Youtube is hot. It probably isn't mounted correctly.

It's locked back into its place, what else is there to it?

[WkdPaul]

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[Guest]

The crappy thermal paste under the IHS plate has probably gone bad after all this time. These where notorious for de-lidding and replacing the paste, as it improved temps sometimes as much as 20c drop. 

[ruchir_ezio]

3 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

The crappy thermal paste under the IHS plate has probably gone bad after all this time. These where notorious for de-lidding and replacing the paste, as it improved temps sometimes as much as 20c drop. 

Do I need anything in particular for the whole process of detaching then reattaching the IHS plate?

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

Do I need anything in particular for the whole process of detaching then reattaching the IHS plate?

Definitely view some guides. 

When re-glue, use just dots at the corners with Permatex ultra black silicon. you can find it at the auto store.

MX-4 is good paste. I recommend that under the IHS plate. (and on top too...)

 

 

[ruchir_ezio]

8 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Definitely view some guides. 

When re-glue, use just dots at the corners with Permatex ultra black silicon. you can find it at the auto store.

MX-4 is good paste. I recommend that under the IHS plate. (and on top too...)

 

 

I have a tube of mx4 by arctic, that's the one I used for the heatsink 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

I have a tube of mx4 by arctic, that's the one I used for the heatsink 

Good stuff.

 

Watch some of these videos. A few different methods, pick which one you feel comfortable with.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=delid+4790K+guide

[ruchir_ezio]

18 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Definitely view some guides. 

When re-glue, use just dots at the corners with Permatex ultra black silicon. you can find it at the auto store.

MX-4 is good paste. I recommend that under the IHS plate. (and on top too...)

 

 

I checked out lunis's video on this topic apparantly de-lidding  doesn't make much of a difference 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

I checked out lunis's video on this topic apparantly de-lidding  doesn't make much of a difference 

It does seem everyone has a different experience. 

 

From my 8700K delid, lost about 15c in temp drop. 

Dont think I did my 4690K, I honestly cant recall. 

[ruchir_ezio]

33 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

It does seem everyone has a different experience. 

 

From my 8700K delid, lost about 15c in temp drop. 

Dont think I did my 4690K, I honestly cant recall. 

I can't believe that these are idling temperatures, a month ago it was idling in 40°s. I'm really not comfortable with the process of delid, could this be resolved just by switching to a better cooler?

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

I can't believe that these are idling temperatures, a month ago it was idling in 40°s. I'm really not comfortable with the process of delid, could this be resolved just by switching to a better cooler?

 

 

I guess my question is

What changed to make the temp go up so high?

So I cannot say yes to a new cooler when the old one was doing just fine not long ago...

[ruchir_ezio]

2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I guess my question is

What changed to make the temp go up so high?

So I cannot say yes to a new cooler when the old one was doing just fine not long ago...

About a couple months ago, I applied a new coat of thermal paste for the first time in 6 years. Before that the processor was idling at 60-65°c. After the application the idle temps came down to 45°c - 55°c depending on whether I'm using the air conditioning in my room or not. The only time temperatures would hit 90°c was when I was editing videos or playing forza horizon 4. Then I just didn't use the pc for a couple of weeks and now it's getting hot enough to fry an egg. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ruchir_ezio said:

About a couple months ago, I applied a new coat of thermal paste for the first time in 6 years. Then the processor was idling at 60-65°c. After the application the idle temps came down to 45°c - 55°c depending on weather I'm using the air conditioning in my room or not. The only time temperatures would hit 90°c was when I was editing videos or playing forza horizon 4. Then I just didn't use the pc for a couple of weeks and now it's getting hot enough to light a cigarette. 

Double check the mounting and fan I guess for now. 

The onl thing that comes to mind is the thermal paste pushed out and the mount loosened a bit, which the springs are designed to keep a constant pressure.

[ruchir_ezio]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Double check the mounting and fan I guess for now. 

The onl thing that comes to mind is the thermal paste pushed out and the mount loosened a bit, which the springs are designed to keep a constant pressure.

The fan mounts or the processor mount?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ruchir_ezio said:

The fan mounts or the processor mount?

The heat sink mount. Make sure the fan spins up.

[ruchir_ezio]

Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

The heat sink mount. Make sure the fan spins up.

Just checked, the fan is spinning and the heatsink is in place. It's tight enough that without the case I could lift the whole thing just by grabbing the fan.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, ruchir_ezio said:

Just checked, the fan is spinning and the heatsink is in place. It's tight enough that without the case I could lift the whole thing just by grabbing the fan.

After some additional thought... I'd do the de-lid. I'm pretty certain it will drop the temps significantly. 

After all, from most of the OC forums I've ventured through the years, a delid 9 of 10 times performed very well.

But I do understand you being nervous about doing it. There is that chance to kill a cpu.... it's actually kinda rare though.

 

From here, it's up to you what to try next. 

Upgrade the cooler is a safe option. 

Reseat the current cooler again, using more/less thermal paste maybe.

Upgrade the stock cooler fan perhaps with something with higher CFM...

Or maybe even a spot fan in the case blowing in the general direction of the VRM package area.

Even trying a fan on the back side of the motherboard while some cases have a hole that exposes the back of the board where the cpu socket is located.

 

These are some things you can try to avoid delidding the processor. Anything is worth a shot imo.

[ruchir_ezio]

4 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

After some additional thought... I'd do the de-lid. I'm pretty certain it will drop the temps significantly. 

After all, from most of the OC forums I've ventured through the years, a delid 9 of 10 times performed very well.

But I do understand you being nervous about doing it. There is that chance to kill a cpu.... it's actually kinda rare though.

 

From here, it's up to you what to try next. 

Upgrade the cooler is a safe option. 

Reseat the current cooler again, using more/less thermal paste maybe.

Upgrade the stock cooler fan perhaps with something with higher CFM...

Or maybe even a spot fan in the case blowing in the general direction of the VRM package area.

Even trying a fan on the back side of the motherboard while some cases have a hole that exposes the back of the board where the cpu socket is located.

 

These are some things you can try to avoid delidding the processor. Anything is worth a shot imo.

I can give a shot to a new cooler. How about CM hyper 212 that was suggested in an earlier response for the given situation or should I be looking at liquid coolers?

My case is a cooler master k380, with a fan slot at the back next to the io shield, one on the tempered glass window and one on the bottom, with a vent on the top. I've always had an exhaust fan config in the back the intake fan at the bottom, rest of the heat passes through the ventilator on the top 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, ruchir_ezio said:

I can give a shot to a new cooler. How about CM hyper 212 that was suggested in an earlier response for the given situation or should I be looking at liquid coolers?

My case is a cooler master k380, with a fan slot at the back next to the io shield, one on the tempered glass window and one on the bottom, with a vent on the top. I've always had an exhaust fan config in the back the intake fan at the bottom, rest of the heat passes through the ventilator on the top 

The Hyper 212 is a better cooler than the stock one, so should see an improvement. yes.

[ruchir_ezio]

 

2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

The Hyper 212 is a better cooler than the stock one, so should see an improvement. yes.

How about CM ML120?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ruchir_ezio said:

 

How about CM ML120?

Probably no better than the hyper 212 honestly.