Building a new rig problems

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, Joseph692 said:

No boss sorry, no such thing as Ubuy. I looked it up and it isnt for computers. Main distributors are: Emag, Altex, PCGarage, CEL. If i could get it from another country like Germany, France, US, Uk, Ill be looking at 1300EUR/1500$. In local currency that ll be 6000 RON

https://www.emag.ro/search/amd 6800?ref=effective_search

https://www.emag.ro/search/nvidia 2060?ref=effective_search

https://www.emag.ro/search/nvidia 3060?ref=effective_search

Which still is almost as much as the rest of the build. 

 

How necessary is Ray Tracing? If it's something you have to have it looks like it's going to be very expensive there.

[Joseph692]

4 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

It looks to me like the GPU will be the problem. Ubuy wants more for a 2060 than the rest of the build. There's no 3060 listed on that site so I had to grab a 3070 search.

https://www.ubuy.com.ro/en/search/?ref_p=ser_tp&q=2060

https://www.ubuy.com.ro/en/search/?ref_p=ser_tp&q=3070

https://www.ubuy.com.ro/en/search/index/view/product/B08P7PWTDX/s/msi-radeon-rx-6800-directx-12-rx-6800-16g-graphics-card-16gb-256-bit-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-hdcp-ready-vr-ready-2x-displayport-1x-hdmi-2-1-w-mytrix-hdmi-2-1-cable/store/store

Yeah man I sincerely dont know what to do, I didnt expect this to be an issue

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, Joseph692 said:

Yeah man I sincerely dont know what to do, I didnt expect this to be an issue

I'm surprised at how much the markup is. If you aren't dead set on ray tracing right now, is there a large second hand market there? You could always do a combo like this, save up some and then do the RTX later on. The 2600 is still a good CPU. Won't really be a 100 FPS CPU, but it gets the job done.

 

https://www.emag.ro/procesor-amd-ryzen-5-2600-3-9ghz-19mb-socket-am4-wraith-stealth-cooler-yd2600bbafbox/pd/D707JFBBM/?X-Search-Id=adca157a1cf7fdcf7850&X-Product-Id=4461779&X-Search-Page=1&X-Search-Position=0&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

 

That combo is also just a little bit more than the 9700k you had listed in the original post.

https://www.emag.ro/procesor-intelr-coretm-i7-9700k-coffee-lake-3-60ghz-12mb-socket-1151-chipset-seria-300-bx80684i79700k/pd/DSDDV4BBM/?X-Search-Id=f6da2d6a0fe5fd94fa63&X-Product-Id=5077867&X-Search-Page=1&X-Search-Position=0&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

[Joseph692]

1 minute ago, Voluspa said:

https://www.emag.ro/search/amd 6800?ref=effective_search

https://www.emag.ro/search/nvidia 2060?ref=effective_search

https://www.emag.ro/search/nvidia 3060?ref=effective_search

Which still is almost as much as the rest of the build. 

 

How necessary is Ray Tracing? If it's something you have to have it looks like it's going to be very expensive there.

I never got the chance to touch a top end pc, this will be my first and I want it be an extraordinary experience

[Joseph692]

9 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

I'm surprised at how much the markup is. If you aren't dead set on ray tracing right now, is there a large second hand market there? You could always do a combo like this, save up some and then do the RTX later on. The 2600 is still a good CPU. Won't really be a 100 FPS CPU, but it gets the job done.

 

https://www.emag.ro/procesor-amd-ryzen-5-2600-3-9ghz-19mb-socket-am4-wraith-stealth-cooler-yd2600bbafbox/pd/D707JFBBM/?X-Search-Id=adca157a1cf7fdcf7850&X-Product-Id=4461779&X-Search-Page=1&X-Search-Position=0&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

 

That combo is also just a little bit more than the 9700k you had listed in the original post.

https://www.emag.ro/procesor-intelr-coretm-i7-9700k-coffee-lake-3-60ghz-12mb-socket-1151-chipset-seria-300-bx80684i79700k/pd/DSDDV4BBM/?X-Search-Id=f6da2d6a0fe5fd94fa63&X-Product-Id=5077867&X-Search-Page=1&X-Search-Position=0&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

This is the best I could get:

"PC gaming setup AMD" - wishlist de Joseph Rares - PC Garage         Ryzen build

"Gaming PC setup" - wishlist de Joseph Rares - PC Garage                 Intel build

 

Stock is not an issue, Ill wait.

[IkeaGnome]

9 minutes ago, Joseph692 said:

I never got the chance to touch a top end pc, this will be my first and I want it be an extraordinary experience

The intel build looks good if you can find the parts for that price. That site loads all weird for me. About the only thing I'd think about is a slightly better PSU. 100 LEI more for a much better PSU.

https://www.emag.ro/sursa-semi-modulara-corsair-cx650m-650w-80-plus-bronze-atx-2-4-pfc-activ-negru-cp-9020103-eu/pd/DJH8Z3BBM/?X-Search-Id=45f6efde4cd8553a69b0&X-Product-Id=66860187&X-Search-Page=1&X-Search-Position=11&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

[Joseph692]

11 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

The intel build looks good if you can find the parts for that price. That site loads all weird for me. About the only thing I'd think about is a slightly better PSU. 100 LEI more for a much better PSU.

https://www.emag.ro/sursa-semi-modulara-corsair-cx650m-650w-80-plus-bronze-atx-2-4-pfc-activ-negru-cp-9020103-eu/pd/DJH8Z3BBM/?X-Search-Id=45f6efde4cd8553a69b0&X-Product-Id=66860187&X-Search-Page=1&X-Search-Position=11&X-Section=search&X-MB=0&X-Search-Action=view

Yeah i know, but I dont know if i should get the intel or amd one. The amd for some reason is more expensive(prolly cuz the ram, psu and the better ssd and new hdd), but i could get the monitor for that price. 100 LEI is about 20-25 EUR. Thats  about 20 2L pepsi bottles

[IkeaGnome]

2 minutes ago, Joseph692 said:

Yeah i know, but I dont know if i should get the intel or amd one. The amd for some reason is more expensive(prolly cuz the ram, psu and the better ssd and new hdd), but i could get the monitor for that price. 100 LEI is about 20-25 EUR. Thats  about 20 2L pepsi bottles

The PSU is bigger, but not exactly any better. There's a lot that goes into decided a good or bad PSU. I tend to just go off of the PSU Tier List that's on these forums. That being said, I've always used Corsair PSUs and always had great luck with them.

Here is a side by side 7 3700 and 9700k. You should have higher frames since both those builds you linked are a 3060TI and not the 2080. I haven't seen much for 3060ti vs 2080 for actual benchmarks but all the reading I've done says it it's on par or better than 2080 S/TI varriants.

 

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[Joseph692]

17 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

The PSU is bigger, but not exactly any better. There's a lot that goes into decided a good or bad PSU. I tend to just go off of the PSU Tier List that's on these forums. That being said, I've always used Corsair PSUs and always had great luck with them.

Here is a side by side 7 3700 and 9700k. You should have higher frames since both those builds you linked are a 3060TI and not the 2080. I haven't seen much for 3060ti vs 2080 for actual benchmarks but all the reading I've done says it it's on par or better than 2080 S/TI varriants.

 

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I see that intel has higher fps, with higher cpu usage than the ryzen. I think inte, stock, non oc has better performance than the amd, but that means better multi tasking from the ryzen. I also like corsair for their psu. On my mining rigs i have 2 hx1200, each linkedup to 6 gpus. Ive been running them for 2 years now and never experienced it being underpowered or failing. I dont know which cpu to choose honestly. what do you suggest?
 

[IkeaGnome]

39 minutes ago, Joseph692 said:

I see that intel has higher fps, with higher cpu usage than the ryzen. I think inte, stock, non oc has better performance than the amd, but that means better multi tasking from the ryzen. I also like corsair for their psu. On my mining rigs i have 2 hx1200, each linkedup to 6 gpus. Ive been running them for 2 years now and never experienced it being underpowered or failing. I dont know which cpu to choose honestly. what do you suggest?
 

It'll mostly come down to which games you play, and which resolution you want, and possible future upgrades. If an AMD upgrade later on to use Smart Cache, their Ray Tracing, PCIE 4.0 and what ever else they come out with, I'd go AMD. This is just speculation, but with the new gen consoles, I think games in general are going to prefer AMD over Intel+Nvidia. Much closer on PC to the console ports etc. That is just speculation. 

The Intel route will be a little more limited in upgradability later on, but for 1080p or even 1440, it's the better "now" option. Games in lower resolution want a "better" CPU. That will still depend on the game, but it seems like the 9700k is favored more in those cases than the AMD. If you go high resolution, I'd pick AMD. If you upgrade your CPU from the Intel later on, it's guaranteed you'd need a new motherboard. After 9th gen Intel swapped from the 1151 to the LGA 1200. Meanwhile, look at the list of compatibility for AMD. More specifically the x570, 470 and 450 over b550. AMD seems to have much better support there. 

https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/b550

 

At the end of the day, I'm mostly waiting for RDNA 2 and ZEN 3 to be readily available. I plan on going from i9-9900k and 2080 to a 7 5800x and 6800XT. My main problem is finding a motherboard that fits very specific needs.

It's going to be personal choice. If I was in your shoes right now though AMD would be what I do. 

[Joseph692]

6 minutes ago, Voluspa said:

It'll mostly come down to which games you play, and which resolution you want, and possible future upgrades. If an AMD upgrade later on to use Smart Cache, their Ray Tracing, PCIE 4.0 and what ever else they come out with, I'd go AMD. This is just speculation, but with the new gen consoles, I think games in general are going to prefer AMD over Intel+Nvidia. Much closer on PC to the console ports etc. That is just speculation. 

The Intel route will be a little more limited in upgradability later on, but for 1080p or even 1440, it's the better "now" option. Games in lower resolution want a "better" CPU. That will still depend on the game, but it seems like the 9700k is favored more in those cases than the AMD. If you go high resolution, I'd pick AMD. If you upgrade your CPU from the Intel later on, it's guaranteed you'd need a new motherboard. After 9th gen Intel swapped from the 1151 to the LGA 1200. Meanwhile, look at the list of compatibility for AMD. More specifically the x570 over b550. AMD seems to have much better support there. 

https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/b550

 

At the end of the day, I'm mostly waiting for RDNA 2 and ZEN 3 to be readily available. I plan on going from i9-9900k and 2080 to a 7 5800x and 6800XT. My main problem is finding a motherboard that fits very specific needs.

It's going to be personal choice. If I was in your shoes right now though AMD would be what I do. 

Yeah youre prolly right. I mostly play open world games at 1080p so yeah. Thank you so much for your time dude, I appreciate this!

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, Joseph692 said:

Yeah youre prolly right. I mostly play open world games at 1080p so yeah. Thank you so much for your time dude, I appreciate this!

In that case. I'm assuming you plan on having this PC for a while since your last upgrade was 4 years ago, I'd do the Intel. 

Any time! Good luck with your build!

[Joseph692]

1 minute ago, Voluspa said:

In that case. I'm assuming you plan on having this PC for a while since your last upgrade was 4 years ago, I'd do the Intel. 

Any time! Good luck with your build!

Thanks dude! Can I borrow jut a but more time from you? Am I going to need more cables or there will be enough. Maybe ill need another sata?

Sorry for the late response I slept for 15 hours:)

 

[IkeaGnome]

52 minutes ago, Joseph692 said:

Thanks dude! Can I borrow jut a but more time from you? Am I going to need more cables or there will be enough. Maybe ill need another sata?

Sorry for the late response I slept for 15 hours:)

 

Do you mean for the PSU? If so, that Corsair has your 24 pin, 8 pin for CPU power, 2 8 pin wires for your GPU(If you go with a 3060 that comes with a TI, it will have an adapter to go from 2x8pin to one 12, otherwise it will use both of the 8 pin wires), 2 SATA power cables with a total of 6 connectors, so power for up to 6 HDDs and SSDs, and one 4 pin molex cable with 3 connectors on that cable. 

As far as from SSD/HDD to your motherboard, that should be included with the motherboard. If you let me know which build you went with, I can give you a hand finding that too. For the most part if you look up your motherboard choice on the manufacturer's website, there will be a "Support" page. You can find the manual there which will show what it comes with. If you went with Intel, you'd be looking for this page

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B365M-DS3H-rev-10/support#support-manual

and this one for the AMD

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4-F/#Support

Here is the manual for the Corsair CX650M which shows the cables and connectors it has.

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/917bE1cKGJS.pdf

 

99% of the time, unless you're doing a massive RAID set up or some other "special" circumstance the PSU and Motherboard will come with all the cables you need. If you need a GPU power adapter, that would come with the GPU.

[Joseph692]

1 hour ago, Voluspa said:

Do you mean for the PSU? If so, that Corsair has your 24 pin, 8 pin for CPU power, 2 8 pin wires for your GPU(If you go with a 3060 that comes with a TI, it will have an adapter to go from 2x8pin to one 12, otherwise it will use both of the 8 pin wires), 2 SATA power cables with a total of 6 connectors, so power for up to 6 HDDs and SSDs, and one 4 pin molex cable with 3 connectors on that cable. 

As far as from SSD/HDD to your motherboard, that should be included with the motherboard. If you let me know which build you went with, I can give you a hand finding that too. For the most part if you look up your motherboard choice on the manufacturer's website, there will be a "Support" page. You can find the manual there which will show what it comes with. If you went with Intel, you'd be looking for this page

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B365M-DS3H-rev-10/support#support-manual

and this one for the AMD

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4-F/#Support

Here is the manual for the Corsair CX650M which shows the cables and connectors it has.

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/917bE1cKGJS.pdf

 

99% of the time, unless you're doing a massive RAID set up or some other "special" circumstance the PSU and Motherboard will come with all the cables you need. If you need a GPU power adapter, that would come with the GPU.

Thanks dude! I want to go for the AMD build, I am used to low FPS and I saw that the max FPS difference between games is about 10 FPS, which really doesnt bother me because most of the competitive games I play run at above 300 FPS on both setups. I havent bought it yet I am waiting, maybe someone could change my mind still.

"PC gaming setup AMD" - wishlist de Joseph Rares - PC Garage

Made a few mods so the build would fit my budget better, maybe I could shave some bucks of the SSD, since 240 is enough.

 

EDIT: UserBenchmark: Ryzen 7 3700X, RTX 3060-Ti vs Core i7-9700K, RTX 3060-Ti Build Comparisons         This site says the intel is better but from what I ve  seen I like the AMD better.