9700F or 9700K?

[Tika]

I found two deals, one for a 9700F and one for a 9700K, both are the same price. My motherboard is the Asrock B365M Pro 4. Would I be able to overclock the 9700k, my motherboard supports BFB which overclocks locked CPUs. And could I use XMP to get my memory to 3000mhz.

[FeIIex]

If they're the same price, i'd get the 9700k solely for the integrated graphics it has. Really comes in handy if your gpu dies, can still use the PC until the new one arrives

[Tika]

Just now, FeIIex said:

If they're the same price, i'd get the 9700k solely for the integrated graphics it has. Really comes in handy if your gpu dies, can still use the PC until the new one arrives

I don't have the need for integrated graphics at all...

[Atomic Explosion]

Ryzen 5 5600, preferably

Edit: Sorry, forgot CPU sockets are different for AMD and Intel, sorry

[Bombastinator]

From what I read about it there seems to be a lean for the 9700k.  Looking at raw numbers on the net, the 9700k seems to be marginally faster without oc.  It’s a much hotter chip though. 95w vs 65w.  A lot of the performance numbers that favor the 9700f seem to come from it coming out much later than the 9700k and thus being attached to better hardware. 9700f seems to have excellent consistency though. 

[Tika]

Just now, Atomic Explosion said:

Ryzen 5 5600, preferably

I already have the motherboard and it's $200

[Atomic Explosion]

Just now, Tika said:

I already have the motherboard and it's $200

Sorry, forgot CPU sockets are different for AMD and Intel, sorry

[Tika]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

From what I read about it there seems to be a lean for the 9700k.  Looking at raw numbers on the net, the 9700k seems to be marginally faster without oc.  It’s a much hotter chip though. 95w vs 65w.  A lot of the performance numbers that favor the 9700f seem to come from it coming out much later than the 9700k and thus being attached to better hardware. 9700f seems to have excellent consistency though. 

I'm planning on getting a U12S so it should be fine, does B365 have the ability to overclock at all?

[Tika]

7 minutes ago, Atomic Explosion said:

Sorry, forgot CPU sockets are different for AMD and Intel, sorry

It's ok, also the 5600x wouldn't be viable as it is very much out of stock everywhere and is about $400 locally.

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, Tika said:

I'm planning on getting a U12S so it should be fine, does B365 have the ability to overclock at all?

As a rule intel b series motherboards don’t overclock all that well when they overclock at all which is not that often. According to this page, hard no https://www.ocinside.de/review/mainboard_asrock_b365_pro4/4/

it was written as a review when the board first came out though which means if there is one it going to probably be jank.  Doesn’t stop you from putting a k chip on it of course.  I personally would consider a 9700k marginally more valuable as it is compatible with more motherboards and has an iGPU which is surprisingly useful occasionally for troubleshooting even when it’s just a not very good spare gpu.

[Tika]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

As a rule intel b series motherboards don’t overclock all that well when they overclock at all which is not that often. According to this page, hard no https://www.ocinside.de/review/mainboard_asrock_b365_pro4/4/

it was written as a review when the board first came out though which means if there is one it going to probably be jank.  Doesn’t stop you from putting a k chip on it of course.  I personally would consider a 9700k marginally more valuable as it is compatible with more motherboards and has an iGPU which is surprisingly useful occasionally for troubleshooting even when it’s just a not very good spare gpu.

Can the motherboard handle the 9700K without me overclocking it at all. Can it handle the stock clocks.

[Tika]

Reserved the 9700K, thank you for the help.

 

[Bombastinator]

23 minutes ago, Tika said:

Can the motherboard handle the 9700K without me overclocking it at all. Can it handle the stock clocks.

The motherboard page says 8th and 9th gen socket 1151 https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B365 Pro4/index.asp#CPU

the supported CPUs button says it supports an i7 9700k(r0) and an i9 9700k(p0) 

 

Ark intel page for chip says fgcla1151 for i7 9700k which is I think 9th gen coffee lake. Lga1151 and fclga1151 are not the same.  If it’s got an fclga socket it Might require a bios update

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/186604/intel-core-i7-9700k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 

[Tika]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

The motherboard page says 8th and 9th gen socket 1151 https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B365 Pro4/index.asp#CPU

the supported CPUs button says it supports an i7 9700k(r0) and an i9 9700k(p0) 

 

Ark intel page for chip says fgcla1151 for i7 9700k which is I think 9th gen coffee lake. Lga1151 and fclga1151 are not the same.  If it’s got an fclga socket it Might require a bios update

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/186604/intel-core-i7-9700k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

 

If it's just a BIOS update that's fine, I'm currently using a 9400f so that's not too hard.

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, Tika said:

If it's just a BIOS update that's fine, I'm currently using a 9400f so that's not too hard.

9400f is fclga, so that’s a bullet dodged.  9700k isn’t that big a jump over a 9400f though.  A 9900 would be 8/16 instead of 8/8

[Tika]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

9400f is fclga, so that’s a bullet dodged.  9700k isn’t that big a jump over a 9400f though.  A 9900 would be 8/16 instead of 8/8

The 9700K is the top end of my budget for now. In 2 years i'll get high end Ryzen if Intel hasn't managed to beat them by then.