From m-itx to m-atx (can I save on these parts?)

[StrawberryShortCakes]

I have saved up sgd$3000 just for this project, I'm switching from my silent ceberus to an m-atx system (Hades). This is my system plans but I have some questions on what I could save some money on. 

 

Case : Fractal design meshify c mini tg (dark edition) - I chose this case because of the mesh filters and ease of removing them to clean, my dad added an air filtration/air conditioner in to my room since he found out I'm allergic to dust mites. Question : will the case mesh filter make it worse for me? Can it trap dust easier?

 

CPU : Ryzen r9 5900 - I do a lot of 3d designing, cad work, 3d printing and plan I plan to use ceberus for gaming to not waste it. Question : or should I part it out and sell them? Which is a better option?

 

Motherboard : AsusTuf gaming B550m - (WiFi) - saving a few dollars off from getting an X570 board plus I hearths fans on the boards whine and I hate whiners (lol). Question : is the WiFi part a need? I'll be plugging the system into my house's wired router/modem and from the case size I won't be be moving it much.

 

RAM : G.skill trident Z rgb neo 3600mhz cl15 32gb (quad sticks) looks much better in configuration compared to dual lonely sticks and a little rgb to bighten the day (purple breathing).

 

Storage 1: Western digital Black nvme 1tb m.2 ssd - (os/programs) Question : does nvme really make much difference compared to an standard sata m.2 for os and my printing/cad software ?

 

Storage 2 :Western digital Blue m.2 2tb sata ssd - (standard storage)

 

GPU :??? - Unknown yet I'm waiting to see the performance of the amd cards, before I try to get an 3080.

 

PSU : Fractal design ion + 760W 760w 80+ platinum (full moduar/silent mode).

 

Fans : Lian Li Uni fans SL120 120mm fans (x7 peices)

CPU Cooler : Scythe fuma 2

 

Peripherals : (all peripherals from silent ceberus) 

Samsung ultra wide 29 inch 1440p 120fps 1m-sec (games or school class chats) 

Lg 34 inch 4k 120fps 1 m-sec (for 3d work use/sometimes 4k movies) 

Asus TUF gaming K3rgb keyboard (red linear switch- gateron) 

Steel series m1100

[GhostRoadieBL]

8 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

will the case mesh filter make it worse for me? Can it trap dust easier?

The volume of air you are pushing through the case will be significantly less than the amount of aor being filtered by a standalone air filter/air con. The air filter will reduce the number of dust particles in the volume of air in your room so dust being collected from the air in your room into the pc dust filters will be minimal. Monthly or quarterly cleaning is still advisable as it will still concentrate the particles on the filters. 

 

13 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

or should I part it out and sell them? Which is a better option?

Selling it will increase your budget or give you some money back for a pc you could game on but why have 2 devices which do the same thing?

With the money you get from selling you can step up to the 6900xt

Personally I run one PC but have in the OS switchable desktops so one is working /creating with no distractions and the other is gaming

 

16 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

does nvme really make much difference compared to an standard sata m.2 for os and my printing/cad software ?

For CAD yes but it's just saving time loading models, printing will be the same and moving large files is faster if you are doing backups

 

PSU - could use a bump up to 850w to keep the platinum in the highest efficiency range, it's a few percent but always better to over provision a bit for extended renders or game sessions when you can get close to 100% psu load with some of the spikes 3080's are showing. 

[Letgomyleghoe]

27 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

G.skill trident Z rgb neo 3600mhz cl15 32gb (quad sticks) looks much better in configuration compared to dual lonely sticks and a little rgb to bighten the day (purple breathing).

get 2x16 so you can upgrade later

 

28 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

Question : is the WiFi part a need? I'll be plugging the system into my house's wired router/modem and from the case size I won't be be moving it much.

 

no its not

 

28 minutes ago, StrawberryShortCakes said:

will the case mesh filter make it worse for me? Can it trap dust easier?

it will trap dust and keep it from circulating in your room, should be better actually 

[Letgomyleghoe]

7 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

could use a bump up to 850w to keep the platinum in the highest efficiency range, it's a few percent but always better to over provision a bit for extended renders or game sessions when you can get close to 100% psu load with some of the spikes 3080's are showing. 

the system should actually stay around 80% usage at max, its plenty fine at that wattage, lets say the 3080 consumes 420w (100 over tdp) 5900x consumes 125w (20 over tdp) and another 30 for the rest of the system only adds up to 575w, keep in mind your system is almost never at full power like this except in benchmarking

[StrawberryShortCakes]

5 hours ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

The volume of air you are pushing through the case will be significantly less than the amount of aor being filtered by a standalone air filter/air con. The air filter will reduce the number of dust particles in the volume of air in your room so dust being collected from the air in your room into the pc dust filters will be minimal. Monthly or quarterly cleaning is still advisable as it will still concentrate the particles on the filters. 

 

Selling it will increase your budget or give you some money back for a pc you could game on but why have 2 devices which do the same thing?

With the money you get from selling you can step up to the 6900xt

Personally I run one PC but have in the OS switchable desktops so one is working /creating with no distractions and the other is gaming

 

For CAD yes but it's just saving time loading models, printing will be the same and moving large files is faster if you are doing backups

 

PSU - could use a bump up to 850w to keep the platinum in the highest efficiency range, it's a few percent but always better to over provision a bit for extended renders or game sessions when you can get close to 100% psu load with some of the spikes 3080's are showing. 

 

5 hours ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

get 2x16 so you can upgrade later

 

no its not

 

it will trap dust and keep it from circulating in your room, should be better actually 

 

5 hours ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

the system should actually stay around 80% usage at max, its plenty fine at that wattage, lets say the 3080 consumes 420w (100 over tdp) 5900x consumes 125w (20 over tdp) and another 30 for the rest of the system only adds up to 575w, keep in mind your system is almost never at full power like this except in benchmarking

Thank you everyone, ghost roadie bl I might run my system as you said I'll split the system thanks. 

[LogicalDrm]

-> Moved to New Builds and Planning

[GhostRoadieBL]

10 hours ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

the system should actually stay around 80% usage at max, its plenty fine at that wattage, lets say the 3080 consumes 420w (100 over tdp) 5900x consumes 125w (20 over tdp) and another 30 for the rest of the system only adds up to 575w, keep in mind your system is almost never at full power like this except in benchmarking

I'm just basing it off of the 3080s putting 750w into current protection for the 12v rail, same with 3090s and 1000w psus with multiple rails, some are locking up the systems if all of the gpu power is on one out of two or three rails. 

[Letgomyleghoe]

44 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

3080s putting 750w into current protection for the 12v rail

 

what do you mean by "3080s putting 750w into current protection for the 12v rail"

 

1 hour ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

some are locking up the systems if all of the gpu power is on one out of two or three rails. 

its should be on one rail...

[GhostRoadieBL]

15 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

what do you mean by "3080s putting 750w into current protection for the 12v rail"

 

its should be on one rail...

Back in sli days and some current power supplies have multiple 12v bus rails each using their own 120v to 12v conversion circuits. Each rail, being independent, has a lower amperage possible due to smaller components but it resulted in a cleaner power output especially when multiple changing loads like multiple graphics cards are on their own rails rather than sharing one rail. 

There have been a few times when running a power hungry graphics card on a single rail would cause the 12v over amperage protection to momentarily open the 12v circuit. even when the overall system power is well under the watt rating of the psu. 

[Letgomyleghoe]

49 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

Back in sli days and some current power supplies have multiple 12v bus rails each using their own 120v to 12v conversion circuits. Each rail, being independent, has a lower amperage possible due to smaller components but it resulted in a cleaner power output especially when multiple changing loads like multiple graphics cards are on their own rails rather than sharing one rail. 

i meant for PCIE power it should be running off of one rail, it shouldnt be able to nab power from another rail

 

49 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

There have been a few times when running a power hungry graphics card on a single rail would cause the 12v over amperage protection to momentarily open the 12v circuit. even when the overall system power is well under the watt rating of the psu. 

afaik this is avoided by buying a better quality psu, wattage wont help then, instead of wasting money you could of reccomended a psu with more than one 12v rail the fractal design ion only has one rail, id have to look at how much that one rail can provide, hold up

[Letgomyleghoe]

52 minutes ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

Back in sli days and some current power supplies have multiple 12v bus rails each using their own 120v to 12v conversion circuits. Each rail, being independent, has a lower amperage possible due to smaller components but it resulted in a cleaner power output especially when multiple changing loads like multiple graphics cards are on their own rails rather than sharing one rail. 

okay so after looking the 760p can output a full 63.3A, there should be no issues with overdraw on the 12v rail.