RAM Speed Issue

[Xiauj]

Hi all,

Before I go any further, these are My PC Specs currently:

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (14nm) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	Purchased For £0.00
Motherboard	Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K5 ATX AM4 Motherboard	Purchased For £0.00
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL15 Memory	Purchased For £0.00
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL15 Memory	Purchased For £0.00
Storage	ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	Purchased For £0.00
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB SC2 Gaming iCX Video Card	Purchased For £0.00
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For £0.00
Power Supply	EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	Purchased For £0.00
Optical Drive	Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer	Purchased For £0.00
Case Fan	Corsair AF140 Quiet 67.8 CFM 140 mm Fan	Purchased For £0.00
Case Fan	Corsair AF140 Quiet 67.8 CFM 140 mm Fan	Purchased For £0.00
Case Fan	Corsair AF120 Quiet 39.88 CFM 120 mm Fan	Purchased For £0.00
Custom	Windows 10	Purchased
Custom	Ryzen-Stock-Cooler	Purchased
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£0.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-10-29 23:29 GMT+0000

 

 

So as of recently, I've been wanting to deal with an issue that I've had for a while with this PC so that I can play more games/do-more-editing/etc..; and that issue is the RAM Speed.

 

My RAM setup is 2 kits of Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3,000MHz CL15 Memory equalling 32GB in total (Aka 4x8GB), the second 16GB kit I had purchased at a different stage within the past 2-3 years (Can't remember when exactly) since I built this PC, anyways moving on..., I kind of know what My RAM Speed is at the moment, it I think.. is at 1,066MHz per RAM Stick according to HWInfo64 when I ran it very recently, as shown:

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I also noticed this still hasn't changed..  It's been like this for months within Windows 10's Task-Manager in the Memory section within the Performance tab: "Hardware reserved: 0 MB" is what I'm referring too, because normally that would show the actual RAM-Speed(s), no? I might be wrong on that but here's the image as shown below:

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And tonight, I figured, hey, why not take the side panel off for a second and try to snag a picture of one of the RAM Stick's Part-Number to confirm that they match with PCPartPicker's Part-Number (#) and with the Statistics on GIGABYTE's PDF for My specific motherboard, all of which are linked here:

> https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15

> https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/xQQRsY/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-k5-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ax370-gaming-k5

> https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-ax370-gaming-k5_pinnacle.pdf (My CPU as listed above is a Pinnacle Ridge Core-Family-specific CPU so this should be the correct PDF on the website!)

> https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/8HqBD3/amd-ryzen-5-1600-12nm-32-ghz-6-core-processor-yd1600bbafbox

 

Just to make it easier/quicker...., here's a screenshot of My RAM's Part Number on that GIGABYTE-Motherboard-PDF's Spreadsheet as well as an actual photo (Sorry in advance about the picture quality) of one of the RAM Stick's Part-Number:

 

Note that it says "8GB" + "2133" below in the image which is really, really, really strange..., compare that to the statistics on the PCPartPicker link above. I dunno what's going on there, I can't tell if that's GIGABYTE's Fault or Corsair's Fault maybe??

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None of this makes any sense and that's why I'm making this topic, because I'm very confused and need some help if You can't tell  It's a kit of RAM (x2) that's advertised at 3,000MHz, I'm getting like 1 third of that total amount per 4x RAM Sticks which I haven't really noticed up until recently when I ran HWInfo64, I can't figure out that really weird Task Manager issue and the final reason being that I have absolutely NO IDEA how to get the promised RAM Speed of approximately 3,000MHz per 4x RAM Sticks, not to mention the fact that I get very concerned when it comes to BIOS-Related Stuff  

 

So umm, help would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!

If I need to add any extra details for You to help Me out, please let Me know down below! I could really do with some help here!  Thanks again!

[ddennis002]

10 minutes ago, Xiauj said:

If I need to add any extra details for You to help Me out, please let Me know down below! I could really do with some help here!  Thanks again!

In HWinfo the memory will show up as true Mhz rate the memory is actually spec at MT/s which is 3000 MT/s for your memory.

Yes your memory is not running at rated speed. Most likely because you don't have XMP setup in the BIOS once enabled HWinfo should report 1500Mhz or 3000MT/s which is your RAMs rated speed.

[Itz_Ro]

I don't know if this might answer your questions, but the r5 1600 is limited up to 2667 Mhz.

[ddennis002]

9 minutes ago, Itz_Ro said:

I don't know if this might answer your questions, but the r5 1600 is limited up to 2667 Mhz.

The memory controller is not limited to 2667Mhz but runs at that speed in a 1:1 ratio with the Bus when you run 2667.

Running past 2667 is an OC and not guaranteed to work but most of the time will work when XMP is enabled.

[Xiauj]

39 minutes ago, Itz_Ro said:

I don't know if this might answer your questions, but the r5 1600 is limited up to 2667 Mhz.

I'm gonna be fully honest here but I have no idea why You're mentioning R5 1600's clock speed(?) of 2,667MHz, assuming that's what that is, I also don't see how it relates to the RAM Situation, aka this entire post.. lol. Could You explain what Your referring too?

 

@ddennis002 These are My settings in the BIOS, I just checked:

 

This first image is the Advanced Frequency Settings Tab:

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This second image is the Advanced Memory Settings Tab:

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Can You see anything that's incorrect?  And if so.., how do I fix it if at all possible?

Edited October 30, 2020 by Xiauj

[ddennis002]

2 minutes ago, Xiauj said:

I'm gonna be fully honest here but I have no idea why You're mentioning R5 1600's clock speed(?) of 2,667MHz, assuming that's what that is, I also don't see how it relates to the RAM Situation, aka this entire post.. lol. Could You explain what Your referring too?

 

@ddennis002 These are My settings in the BIOS, I just checked:

 

This first image is the Advanced Frequency Settings Tab:

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This second image is the Advanced Memory Settings Tab:

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Try disabling XMP save and reboot and enter bios again and enable XMP again and see if it will boot.

 

Also under the Advanced Timing Control look to see if gear down mode is enabled? If it is disable it.

Since you have memory with ODD number timings, having gear down mode enabled will cause issues.

 

[Xiauj]

15 hours ago, ddennis002 said:

Try disabling XMP save and reboot and enter bios again and enable XMP again and see if it will boot.

 

Also under the Advanced Timing Control look to see if gear down mode is enabled? If it is disable it.

Since you have memory with ODD number timings, having gear down mode enabled will cause issues.

 

I just checked the BIOS again after I saw Your comment and noticed that the "Gear Down Mode" under the Advanced Timing Control section is Greyed Out not allowing Me to change it when I click it with My cursor; it's set to Auto as You can also see in the picture below:

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[ddennis002]

11 hours ago, Xiauj said:

I just checked the BIOS again after I saw Your comment and noticed that the "Gear Down Mode" under the Advanced Timing Control section is Greyed Out not allowing Me to change it when I click it with My cursor; it's set to Auto as You can also see in the picture below:

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Most likely grayed out because its disabled. Since the timings are set to odd numbers the board most likely automatically locks the option out. Some boards don't do this.

 

When disabling and re-enabling XMP does the system boot? If so after you re-enable XMP on that boot does it shut off a few times before it finally boots up?

[Guest]

This Ryzen 1600 processor you have is not capable of running 4 sticks of Corsair LPX SK Hynix modules at 3000mhz XMP rated speeds. The memory controller just won't do it. It won't even matter how much effort you put into this. 

[Xiauj]

10 hours ago, ddennis002 said:

Most likely grayed out because its disabled. Since the timings are set to odd numbers the board most likely automatically locks the option out. Some boards don't do this.

Ah I see, interesting.

 

10 hours ago, ddennis002 said:

When disabling and re-enabling XMP does the system boot? If so after you re-enable XMP on that boot does it shut off a few times before it finally boots up?

I haven't tried doing that just yet, I should though lol.

Reason being is that, I'm a bit nervous as mentioned in the OP lol. I hate BIOS related stuff if You can't tell 

 

 

9 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

This Ryzen 1600 processor you have is not capable of running 4 sticks of Corsair LPX SK Hynix modules at 3000mhz XMP rated speeds. The memory controller just won't do it. It won't even matter how much effort you put into this. 

May I ask how are You able to determine/confirm that the Ryzen 5 1600 is not capable of handling this 32GB (4x8GB) setup at 3,000MHz?

Furthermore, how can I, as a customer.. when buying parts in the future know what CPUs are handling [X] Amount of RAM at [Insert-Speed]...?; which in My case is 32GB at 3,000MHz as You are aware  I need some honest advice here 

 

Because I mean, if My CPU apparently can't handle this 32GB Setup then obviously I'm gonna have to consider buying another CPU and possibly a new motherboard depending if the motherboard I choose can support let's say... the 5000 Ryzen-Series CPUs and My current RAM / RAM's Part-Number, lol.

[SavageNeo]

31 minutes ago, Xiauj said:

May I ask how are You able to determine/confirm that the Ryzen 5 1600 is not capable of handling this 32GB (4x8GB) setup at 3,000MHz?

since 4x8 is harder on the IMC than 2x16 so 4x8 is worse than 2x16. and also running ram at 3000mhz will not usually wokr with the ryzen 5 1600 expesially since you have 4 sticks of ram instead of 2

[Xiauj]

2 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

since 4x8 is harder on the IMC than 2x16 so 4x8 is worse than 2x16. and also running ram at 3000mhz will not usually wokr with the ryzen 5 1600 expesially since you have 4 sticks of ram instead of 2

Ok I.. kind of understand what You mean, but still a bit confused, lol.

 

Soo, any chance You could answer Me this?:

36 minutes ago, Xiauj said:

Because I mean, if My CPU apparently can't handle this 32GB Setup then obviously I'm gonna have to consider buying another CPU and possibly a new motherboard depending if the motherboard I choose can support let's say... the 5000 Ryzen-Series CPUs and My current RAM / RAM's Part-Number, lol.

 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Xiauj said:

May I ask how are You able to determine/confirm that the Ryzen 5 1600 is not capable of handling this 32GB (4x8GB) setup at 3,000MHz?

Furthermore, how can I, as a customer.. when buying parts in the future know what CPUs are handling [X] Amount of RAM at [Insert-Speed]...?; which in My case is 32GB at 3,000MHz as You are aware  I need some honest advice here 

 

Because I mean, if My CPU apparently can't handle this 32GB Setup then obviously I'm gonna have to consider buying another CPU and possibly a new motherboard depending if the motherboard I choose can support let's say... the 5000 Ryzen-Series CPUs and My current RAM / RAM's Part-Number, lol.

Because I have Corsair 3000mhz LPX and 1st Gen processors. 

The memory to start is lower tier kits. 

The 1600 is supported to 2667mhz, you can view this spec at the AMD page.

 

If you have a 3rd or 4th gen Ryzen, there is no guarantee past 3200mhz supported, past this frequency is an overclock to the memory controller, and the same reason wht the 1600 probably won't be good past 2667mhz

[Xiauj]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Because I have Corsair 3000mhz LPX and 1st Gen processors. 

The memory to start is lower tier kits. 

The 1600 is supported to 2667mhz, you can view this spec at the AMD page.

 

If you have a 3rd or 4th gen Ryzen, there is no guarantee past 3200mhz supported, past this frequency is an overclock to the memory controller, and the same reason wht the 1600 probably won't be good past 2667mhz

Ah I see, Ok then.

 

 

So I guess it's time to get a new CPU, e.g... a 5,000 Ryzen Series CPU and maaaybe a new motherboard? And also hope that My 2x 16GB Kits (32GB Total) will be supported on that new motherboard?

 

Or if a 5,000 Ryzen Series CPU will be supported on My current motherboard?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Xiauj said:

Ah I see, Ok then.

 

 

So I guess it's time to get a new CPU, e.g... a 5,000 Ryzen Series CPU and maaaybe a new motherboard? And also hope that My 2x 16GB Kits (32GB Total) will be supported on that new motherboard?

 

Or if a 5,000 Ryzen Series CPU will be supported on My current motherboard?

Nope you need a new board to support Ryzen 5000 series processors.

Yes your current memory will be support by virtually all DDR4 motherboards.