AMD 6900xt general question

[MedicGarou]

What do you think the chances that AMD will do a pre-order for the cards prior to the December release date ? 

[Fasauceome]

100% cause that's the way the industry is

[FloRolf]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

100% cause that's the way the industry is

Which does NOT mean you should pre-order. 

[BTGbullseye]

On 10/29/2020 at 7:50 AM, FloRolf said:

Which does NOT mean you should pre-order. 

I will though, if possible. Same or better performance than the 3080/3090, lower power draw, lower price, better availability is almost assured, more VRAM... I'd preorder, and if I have issues, return for refund.

[MedicGarou]

2 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

I will though, if possible. Same or better performance than the 3080, lower power draw, lower price, better availability is almost assured, more VRAM... I'd preorder, and if I have issues, return for refund.

The TLDR was that was kind of my thinking. 

The longer version would be... I have an i7 9700k Asus Z390 mobo and RTX 2070 super and was looking to purchase a 3080 or 3090.   IF I were to go with the 6900 xt for 999 and a Ryzen 5950x for 799 I'm at $1800 which is the retail price for the ROG Strix 3090 and with a good mobo I'd be at ~$2000 but I would actually come out ahead as I have a buyer for my mobo/cpu/gpu I'd be replacing.  The way it would work out my actual out of pocket would be less than a retail 3090 and it would be a screamer of a system. 

[SolarNova]

Better question.

 

What are the chances people will still buy it regardless of the stupid price, just like the 2080ti.

 

Theres no 'its a titan' argument to be had this time. Just pure greed.

[BTGbullseye]

11 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

What are the chances people will still buy it regardless of the stupid price, just like the 2080ti.

It's nowhere near the stupid price level. The price increases by $250 for the "golden chip" GPU over the more common chip. People historically have paid way more for top-end golden-chips. (look at the prices for top-end 9900k chips)

13 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Theres no 'its a titan' argument to be had this time. Just pure greed.

Of course there's greed involved... It's a corporation. It's ALL about greed. This is at least reasonable levels of greed however.

[SolarNova]

22 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

People historically have paid way more for top-end golden-chips

Talking about CPU's , yea 3rd party binning for overclockers, but the chip itself is the same.

 

GPU wise, historically, and i've posted a list in the past, from the year 2000 to now, the average price of the most common highest end single GPU gaming graphics card is between $600 and $700 and thats INCLUDING inflation.

 

The 2080ti, and now the 3090 and 6900XT are not inline with the 2 decades of pricing. This is without a doubt a price gouge, and certain people are letting it slide ruining it for the rest of us.

[BTGbullseye]

2 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Talking about CPU's , yea 3rd party binning for overclockers, but the chip itself is the same.

The 6800, 6800XT, and 6900XT are the same chip, just binned based on how much of the chip passes inspection. (which is why everything else is identical between the cards... Even the power draw is based on the amount of cores enable on the chip)

[Exeon]

Nothing wrong with a pre-order if you can return it.

I pre-ordered the RTX 3080 because I could guarantee the MRSP price for the AIB I wanted.

 

I can also cancel the order at any time, if you can pre order this card before the benchmarks come out and still cancel without issues, then why not?

 

[MedicGarou]

2 minutes ago, Exeon said:

Nothing wrong with a pre-order if you can return it.

I pre-ordered the RTX 3080 because I could guarantee the MRSP price for the AIB I wanted.

 

I can also cancel the order at any time, if you can pre order this card before the benchmarks come out and still cancel without issues, then why not?

 

I still have no idea how to find one to pre-order... nobody is offering it other than EVGA's queue list

[Exeon]

1 minute ago, MedicGarou said:

I still have no idea how to find one to pre-order... nobody is offering it other than EVGA's queue list

 

It depends from country to country.

I have seen pre orders on amazon but they took them down after too many orders.

I live in Belgium, I could order one at MRSP from one of the local Nvidia partners at MRSP.

 

You can still order them, but the price for the one I ordered (asus Tuf) went up by 130€

[SolarNova]

21 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

The 6800, 6800XT, and 6900XT are the same chip, just binned based on how much of the chip passes inspection. (which is why everything else is identical between the cards... Even the power draw is based on the amount of cores enable on the chip)

 

[RejZoR]

They are not the same. One has more CUs. Same power is the same just because the more CU chip is clocked lower. The loss in clock was apparently offset enough with extra CU's that it was still worth lowering clock to operate within power target of RX 6800XT. Which kinda shows CU's are actually very efficient in RX 6000 series.

[BTGbullseye]

6 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

 

 

Show me where what I said varies from the information currently available. All of the cards have the exact same VRAM, and the 6800 has the right reduction of power usage for the number of fewer cores available compared to the 6800XT. The 6900XT is only 8 more cores, so is not going higher than the obviously rounded limit from the AMD slides.

 

It makes sense when you actually look at the boards as a whole, and consider that it's actually cheaper to do it this way. (same tooling can be used for any of the 3 GPUs, just have to use a different cooler for each)