Which card/brand should I get and which one is most reliable?

[phil7990]

Hi,

 

Everyone excited about the 3000 series? Me too, I can barely sleep. As I expected, I always knew that this would happen. I have a moto which goes: 2nd gen=best gen, and the 3000 series is proof of this.
My 770 GTX ended its life 3 years ago. So in Januari 2018 I just had to buy a graphicscard. I bought the RX 590.

 

At the moment I'm gaming on a 1080p 144hz. Maybe sometime in the future, I would get myself a 1440p 144hz. The upgrade isn't comming anytime soon but I'd like to discuss things now so that I have some good structure of how I'm going to do this. My whole system needs an upgrade since the 3000 series make use of PCIE x16 4.0 and I only have 3.0, a PSU that is in bad condition and so I need to change my motherboard and my cpu and my ram xD... We'll talk about that in another topic... For now...

Since displays and graphics cards work together, I wanted to ask which one to get? At the moment, I'm choosing between 3060 (super) (ti) and 3070. Since 3070 equals the performance of the 2080ti, we can only assume that the 3060 is about 2070ti-ish?
Also, which brand is the most reliable?
And which card of that brand is the most reliable? Do these cards require 3 fans? Or is 2 enough? (ventus has 2 so)

[zeusthemoose]

RTX 3000 does not need pcie 4.0. The testing the nvidia did even uses pcie 3. What are your specs? If you still have a capable cpu, you don’t need to upgrade just to get pcie 4 support.

 

Manufacturers can have great cards and they can have horrible cards. Don’t look for “the most reliable brand”, instead look at individual products. This tier list should give you an idea of which products may have good cooling. But as you can see, it varies greatly by what gpu it is cooling so to get the best cooled one, wait for them to be released and reviewed then look at those reviews.

[phil7990]

30 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

RTX 3000 does not need pcie 4.0. The testing the nvidia did even uses pcie 3. What are your specs? If you still have a capable cpu, you don’t need to upgrade just to get pcie 4 support.

 

Manufacturers can have great cards and they can have horrible cards. Don’t look for “the most reliable brand”, instead look at individual products. This tier list should give you an idea of which products may have good cooling. But as you can see, it varies greatly by what gpu it is cooling so to get the best cooled one, wait for them to be released and reviewed then look at those reviews.

I've posted this into the "new builds" section because it belongs there, but I'll post it in here since you asked:
 

What I have now:
-a 5 year old i7 6700 non k 3.5 (turbo: 4.0) (with the standard intel stock cooler)+5 year old Z170 gaming a (which contains 3.0, I know it's not bad but I wanna have full power from my graphicscard so...)

-a 2 year old amd XFX RX590

-a 7 year old PSU 750w corsair bronze non modulair so it's really ugly and I think it has made his time...

-a 7 year old Aerocool GTA white, case that is now yellow instead of white and has fallen onto the ground once so bits and pieces are broken but the case still lives but isn't that great (never has been)

-a 5 year old 240 gb SSD

-a 10+ year old HDD

-5 year old 16 gb ram 2100 mhz

Games I play and want to play in the future
DOOM Eternal (on high atleast and with RTX ofcourse), Shadow of the tomb raider (with RTX), Warframe (with RTX), League of Legends, Future AAA games,...

 

I would like to upgrading too:

-amd's 3600x (I use the standard amd stock cooler it comes with)+ B550 motherboard with pcie 4.0  
-16 gb ram 3200 mhz (I don't know if this is needed but I heard that the processor makes use of this...)

-500 or 1 TB m.2 SSD (don't know which one to get but I'll see)

(-going to reuse my HDD for what is worth)

-Corsair 2018 650w modulair psu,

-Fractal Design Meshify C case

(-going to reuse my RX590)

(-eventually either a 3070 or a 3060 in december 2021 or januari 2022)

 

So long story short, there was a website telling me that my CPU wouldn't be good enough for DOOM Eternal. So just to be sure, that's when I decided to upgrade because I saw it was needed. Not sure if it really is though...

[zeusthemoose]

Yeah, it is probably worth it to upgrade. But since you aren’t going to get the gpu now, you should consider waiting for ryzen 4000. But if you do it now, that’s a pretty good upgrade plan, only thing I would change is to go for a 3600 instead of 3600x. The extra price isn’t warranted for the minor performance increase. Some good m.2 1tb NVMe ssds I know are the crucial p1 and Kingston a2000.

[phil7990]

27 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

Yeah, it is probably worth it to upgrade. But since you aren’t going to get the gpu now, you should consider waiting for ryzen 4000. But if you do it now, that’s a pretty good upgrade plan, only thing I would change is to go for a 3600 instead of 3600x. The extra price isn’t warranted for the minor performance increase. Some good m.2 1tb NVMe ssds I know are the crucial p1 and Kingston a2000.

Many people say this but that's just it... I don't know... After all, I didn't took the k version of the i7 6700, back in the day. I don't wanna fall into the same problem again 5 years after this. The recommended CPU for DOOM Eternal is also the i7 6700k too so. And besides, whats the point in having a non overclockable CPU in a motherboard that can overclock.

 

Also about the m.2's, is it worth to get a 500gb one and a new 1 tb HDD? Or would you recommend getting a 1 tb m.2?

[ViperGTX88]

From my experience with a few Nvidia card partner brands, EVGA takes the cake for reliability and cooling.  I never had any issues with EVGA, and coil whine is minimal to non existent compared to other brands. That is just my thoughts, do some research. In terms of what 30XX card to get, how deep are your pockets and how much do you want to spend on a car? Have fun with the new card if you get one....i'll be on my 2080 super...

[zeusthemoose]

1 hour ago, phil7990 said:

Also about the m.2's, is it worth to get a 500gb one and a new 1 tb HDD? Or would you recommend getting a 1 tb m.2?

Personally, unless you are going to need more than 1tb immediately, I would start with the 1tb ssd and get a 2tb+ hard drive for bulk game storage when you need later down the line.

[phil7990]

8 hours ago, ViperGTX88 said:

From my experience with a few Nvidia card partner brands, EVGA takes the cake for reliability and cooling.  I never had any issues with EVGA, and coil whine is minimal to non existent compared to other brands. That is just my thoughts, do some research. In terms of what 30XX card to get, how deep are your pockets and how much do you want to spend on a car? Have fun with the new card if you get one....i'll be on my 2080 super...

Thanks for the advice. I know which card to get because I won't be upgrading to 4k anytime soon. Even upgrading to 1440p 144hz is going to take years... I recently upgraded my display to 1080p 144hz and I came from a 60hz television. Anyway, Its going to be a big upgrade for me since the rx 590 wasn't that good at all.

8 hours ago, zeusthemoose said:

Personally, unless you are going to need more than 1tb immediately, I would start with the 1tb ssd and get a 2tb+ hard drive for bulk game storage when you need later down the line.

I see. My 1.5tb hdd is +10 years old and I use it for gamestorage mostly, so it could crack anyday now.

 

Also about the 4000 series, I need to wait till January 2021 anyway so. However, I did see this video, which are only speculations ofcourse but if this is true then it wouldn't matter much I think: 

 

[zeusthemoose]

4 hours ago, phil7990 said:

Also about the 4000 series, I need to wait till January 2021 anyway so. However, I did see this video, which are only speculations ofcourse but if this is true then it wouldn't matter much I think:

I haven’t watched that in a while so I don’t remember what he said about ryzen 4000, could you please remind me?

[phil7990]

1 hour ago, zeusthemoose said:

I haven’t watched that in a while so I don’t remember what he said about ryzen 4000, could you please remind me?

He said that the numbers of the Ryzen 4000 were dissapointing basically. Names got mixed up too in the past with Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2... First picture is the normal and 2nd is the pro variant. The 4700 is the same as 3700 it seems... Only with better graphics but why use integrated when you have a graphics card...

[phil7990]

He also believed that these 4000's aren't the new 4000 CPU's. That they are just a G variant of the 3000 series with integrated graphics...

[zeusthemoose]

Oh, I think you have it mixed up. Those are the 4000 series apus not the new CPUs. They are already out in prebuilt systems and are the replacements for the 3200g and 3400g. They run on the same architecture as ryzen 3000 CPUs (zen 2). Ryzen 4000 CPUs will be based on the zen 2+ or zen 3 architecture. I don’t remember what the most current leak is, but they were saying ryzen 4000 CPUs would have a 10-40% performance increase over ryzen 3000.

[xg32]

1 hour ago, phil7990 said:

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the ryzen 4000 apus are not the ones you need, you want your new build to have ryzen 4000 cpus, but don't get anything until after the cpu reviews are out in a few months. 

 

As for gpu brand, evga actually honors their warranty.

[phil7990]

57 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

Oh, I think you have it mixed up. Those are the 4000 series apus not the new CPUs. They are already out in prebuilt systems and are the replacements for the 3200g and 3400g. They run on the same architecture as ryzen 3000 CPUs (zen 2). Ryzen 4000 CPUs will be based on the zen 2+ or zen 3 architecture. I don’t remember what the most current leak is, but they were saying ryzen 4000 CPUs would have a 10-40% performance increase over ryzen 3000.

 

16 minutes ago, xg32 said:

the ryzen 4000 apus are not the ones you need, you want your new build to have ryzen 4000 cpus, but don't get anything until after the cpu reviews are out in a few months. 

 

As for gpu brand, evga actually honors their warranty.

Ok thank you! Didn't noticed... I will wait and see then.

[phil7990]

21 hours ago, zeusthemoose said:

Yeah, it is probably worth it to upgrade. But since you aren’t going to get the gpu now, you should consider waiting for ryzen 4000. But if you do it now, that’s a pretty good upgrade plan, only thing I would change is to go for a 3600 instead of 3600x. The extra price isn’t warranted for the minor performance increase. Some good m.2 1tb NVMe ssds I know are the crucial p1 and Kingston a2000.

The PCIE x16 3.0 vs 4.0 is solved: https://youtu.be/ntXj6EJgh0c?t=649 

As he says, the gen doesn't matter for your FPS, the boost clock speed does matter. So is this upgrade to 3600-4000 CPU series still needed then?
Could my i7 6700 hold back the 3060-3070 cards?

[zeusthemoose]

45 minutes ago, phil7990 said:

So is this upgrade to 3600-4000 CPU series still needed then?
Could my i7 6700 hold back the 3060-3070 cards?

Ryzen 4000 is supposed to be a decent increase over ryzen 3000 all around. If you can wait until then (you would have to if you get the 3060), do. I dont have much experience with the 6700 and its performance, but the 3070 is said to be the same/slightly better than the 2080ti. If thats true, depending on the application, it could hold it back a little bit. Less so if you get the 3060, but I would assume that the cpu would be a bottleneck. But once again, no way to know for sure until they are actually launched and benchmarks are out.

[phil7990]

57 minutes ago, zeusthemoose said:

Ryzen 4000 is supposed to be a decent increase over ryzen 3000 all around. If you can wait until then (you would have to if you get the 3060), do. I dont have much experience with the 6700 and its performance, but the 3070 is said to be the same/slightly better than the 2080ti. If thats true, depending on the application, it could hold it back a little bit. Less so if you get the 3060, but I would assume that the cpu would be a bottleneck. But once again, no way to know for sure until they are actually launched and benchmarks are out.

I expect the 3060 to be at the level of the 2070ti. Its a shame it forms a bottleneck. But indeed you might be right. Maybe at the end of next year is an even better time to upgrade, because only then, there will be enough stock, there will even be ti's and/or supers, and the cards are lowered in price.

Anyway, for now, I wait untill I have seen the 3060 and the 4000 cpu's thats for sure.