RAM HELP..

[MxRider9637]

Going to be buying some ram soon and i have absolutely no clue what to buy....

 

Im looking for ram with 1866 mhz or higher..

 

Im looking for CL9

 

Im looking for 2x8=16gb

 

Has to have heat spreader as i will be gaming..

 

For budget nothing over $200

 

Heres the build if it helps.... http://pcpartpicker.com/p/35mhU

[MegaDave91]

What motherboard do you have?

[Cacao]

Just get whatever is cheapest, for RAM it really is quantity over quality. The actual specs of RAM impact almost nothing performance wise.

[MxRider9637]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/35mhU

 

What motherboard do you have?

[MegaDave91]

This will match your motherboard nicely.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233536&clickid=Vxs3vX2MS2kvxGqyvz0-ByOEUkTR4nzCk3xJU80&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

 

Or these, but CL is 10, not 9.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231528&clickid=Vxs3vX2MS2kvxGqyvz0-ByOEUkTR4nUbk3xJU80&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

[MxRider9637]

To be honest i was looking t both of those...

which one would you prefer

 

 

 

This will match your motherboard nicely.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233536&clickid=Vxs3vX2MS2kvxGqyvz0-ByOEUkTR4nzCk3xJU80&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

 

Or these, but CL is 10, not 9.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231528&clickid=Vxs3vX2MS2kvxGqyvz0-ByOEUkTR4nUbk3xJU80&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

[MegaDave91]

To be honest i was looking t both of those...

which one would you prefer

Vengeance Pro. They look soo good.

[Sintezza]

i recommend G.skill sniper 1866mhz CL9 1.5V ram alot.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231627

 

They are on a good price, lower cache latency is more important then higher ram speeds for a gaming rig, with a dedicated gpu.

[-rascal-]

Going to be buying some ram soon and i have absolutely no clue what to buy....

 

Im looking for ram with 1866 mhz or higher..

 

Im looking for CL9

 

Im looking for 2x8=16gb

 

Has to have heat spreader as i will be gaming..

 

For budget nothing over $200

 

Heres the build if it helps.... http://pcpartpicker.com/p/35mhU

 

The performance gain going with RAM beyond 1866MHz is negligible in most gaming scenarios.

Work related (i.e. CAD) and high density and quality video / photo render and editing, the RAM frequency will be more significant.

Depending on the IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) on the CPU, and possibly the motherboard as well, your system may not be able to handle speeds of 1866MHz or beyond. According to Intel, memory speeds above 1333MHz or 1600MHz is not officially supported by the i5-4670K (or any Haswell chip for that matter). It is not 110% guaranteed.

 

 

CAS 9 or CAS 8 is good. Should have no issues finding 1600MHz or 1866MHz RAM with those timings; it's pretty common / standard.

1.65V or 1.5V is fine, but if possible, go with 1.5V.

 

 

There isn't a real need for 16GB of RAM for gaming.

As said in the above, 16GB or 32GB will really be beneficial in non-gaming usages.

 

 

Gaming does not mean it needs heat spreaders!!!

In fact, you don't really need heatsinks / heat spreaders on RAM modules. It's not like the DRAM chips and PCB runs hot (okay, warm but not hot enough).

 

 

"Gaming" sound cards, motherboards, RAM, etc...it's all marketing gimmick.

RAM is RAM.

There is no such thing as a "gaming" motherboard, or "gaming" RAM.

 

 

If you're spending an extra $100 on RAM (let it be because it's 2133MHz+ with tall "gaming" heatsinks, or 16GB instead of 8GB)....use the money on somewhere else that will make a more significant performance impact on your system. 1600MHz RAM versus 2400MHz RAM...extra 0.5, 1 or 2 FPS?

 

With the extra money, spend it on:

• The GPU. Up the GTX 780 to a GTX 780 Ti.
• Larger SSD. Go up to 240GB / 256GB because 120GB / 1280GB goes fast (this is from personal experience).
• Larger HDD. Up the 1TB to....2TB? 3TB maybe?
• Better CPU. i7-4770K if you need the extra thread count.
• Better fans. The H220 comes with okay fans...but they aren't great for radiators. Grab a couple more case fans as well.

[MxRider9637]

Wow well said answered pretty much everything i was going to ask thank you!! I want to go with 16gb for future proof.. and also ive been doing alot of research and most of the bigger games run better of higher frequency ram.. therefore the 1866mhz... I did want to get new case fans but what kind of case fans do you recommend??

 

 

The performance gain going with RAM beyond 1866MHz is negligible in most gaming scenarios.

Work related (i.e. CAD) and high density and quality video / photo render and editing, the RAM frequency will be more significant.

Depending on the IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) on the CPU, and possibly the motherboard as well, your system may not be able to handle speeds of 1866MHz or beyond. According to Intel, memory speeds above 1333MHz or 1600MHz is not officially supported by the i5-4670K (or any Haswell chip for that matter). It is not 110% guaranteed.

 

 

CAS 9 or CAS 8 is good. Should have no issues finding 1600MHz or 1866MHz RAM with those timings; it's pretty common / standard.

1.65V or 1.5V is fine, but if possible, go with 1.5V.

 

 

There isn't a real need for 16GB of RAM for gaming.

As said in the above, 16GB or 32GB will really be beneficial in non-gaming usages.

 

 

Gaming does not mean it needs heat spreaders!!!

In fact, you don't really need heatsinks / heat spreaders on RAM modules. It's not like the DRAM chips and PCB runs hot (okay, warm but not hot enough).

 

 

"Gaming" sound cards, motherboards, RAM, etc...it's all marketing gimmick.

RAM is RAM.

There is no such thing as a "gaming" motherboard, or "gaming" RAM.

 

 

If you're spending an extra $100 on RAM (let it be because it's 2133MHz+ with tall "gaming" heatsinks, or 16GB instead of 8GB)....use the money on somewhere else that will make a more significant performance impact on your system. 1600MHz RAM versus 2400MHz RAM...extra 0.5, 1 or 2 FPS?

 

With the extra money, spend it on:

• The GPU. Up the GTX 780 to a GTX 780 Ti.
• Larger SSD. Go up to 240GB / 256GB because 120GB / 1280GB goes fast (this is from personal experience).
• Larger HDD. Up the 1TB to....2TB? 3TB maybe?
• Better CPU. i7-4770K if you need the extra thread count.
• Better fans. The H220 comes with okay fans...but they aren't great for radiators. Grab a couple more case fans as well.

 

[Sintezza]

higher ram speeds is only important if you use a system based on an apu, or igpu, because the apu and igpu, gonne use the speed of the ram to work with. A gaming rig with a dedicated GPU, a dedicated gpu has its own ram called Vram GDDR5 this ram is way faster then our DDR3 modules. Thats the reason why it not realy matters for just gaming if you use 1600mhz or 2133mhz ram, with a dedicated gpu.

its more important to look at the lowest possible cache latency you could get. cache latency is basicly the delay time, between a memory controller tells the memory module to acces an particular memory colum on the ram module.

So basicly how lower your cache latency is, how less delay you have. less delay means faster respons times.

 

i mostly recommend 1600/1866mhz CL9 1.5V ram for a Gaming rig.

 

Grtz Sintezza

[Faceman]

Wow well said answered pretty much everything i was going to ask thank you!! I want to go with 16gb for future proof.. and also ive been doing alot of research and most of the bigger games run better of higher frequency ram.. therefore the 1866mhz... I did want to get new case fans but what kind of case fans do you recommend??

Don't worry about getting 16GB right now to "future proof"  RAM prices are uncharacteristically high right now, it would be in your best interest to pick up 8GB, it will tide you over well for many years, and when RAM prices finally drop, get 8GB more of that exact same memory for much less.  You probably wont see much, if any gains from going with 16GB right off the bat.

 

Also, I am inclined to agree with @Cacao that you should get whatever is the least expensive when it comes to RAM, the performance gains from 9 to 10 CAS latency or 1600 to 1866Mhz is so minimal that it wont be noticeable.

 

That being said, I would like to recommend Patriot Viper Xtreme CL 10-10-10-27, 1600Mhz  It is only $55 after rebate.  That is almost half as much as any other brand of memory you would get, and the performance gains from those other brands of memory would be only 10%.  Paying twice as much for only 10% gains that aren't really noticeable?  No thanks.  If you are really concerned about the 10CAS, you can also overclock them to 9CAS easily and get that same performance for half the cost.

[-rascal-]

Wow well said answered pretty much everything i was going to ask thank you!! I want to go with 16gb for future proof.. and also ive been doing alot of research and most of the bigger games run better of higher frequency ram.. therefore the 1866mhz... I did want to get new case fans but what kind of case fans do you recommend??

 

Due to the fire in the DRAM factory earlier last year (2013), the price of RAM had significantly increased.

When DDR3 RAM was first entering the market, 8GB of DDR3 1600MHz was approximately $100 - $120.

Due to DDR3 RAM later being more common, the price dropped down into the $40 - $60 range.

After the fire at the DRAM plant, we are back up to the ~ $80 - $100 range.

 

As stated previously, get 8GB now (either a single 8GB stick or two (2) 4GB sticks), and grab another 8GB down the road...when you really need it (and hopefully the RAM prices will come back down in price).

 

1600MHz and 1866MHz is reasonable - as the price difference it not much between the two. But the performance difference is not much either.

As far as I am aware, the only "big" game that provides better performance with higher frequency RAM is Battlefield 4.

I don't believe there is any other other games released, thus far, yield more performance with faster RAM.

[MxRider9637]

ok gotcha and yeah i was talking about bf4..

[MxRider9637]

ok gotcha and yeah i was talking about bf4

 

Due to the fire in the DRAM factory earlier last year (2013), the price of RAM had significantly increased.

When DDR3 RAM was first entering the market, 8GB of DDR3 1600MHz was approximately $100 - $120.

Due to DDR3 RAM later being more common, the price dropped down into the $40 - $60 range.

After the fire at the DRAM plant, we are back up to the ~ $80 - $100 range.

 

As stated previously, get 8GB now (either a single 8GB stick or two (2) 4GB sticks), and grab another 8GB down the road...when you really need it (and hopefully the RAM prices will come back down in price).

 

1600MHz and 1866MHz is reasonable - as the price difference it not much between the two. But the performance difference is not much either.

As far as I am aware, the only "big" game that provides better performance with higher frequency RAM is Battlefield 4.

I don't believe there is any other other games released, thus far, yield more performance with faster RAM.