Upgrading from 980, need some help.

[azraelshadow]

After seeing Nvidia's presentation, I decided that I'm going to upgrade my graphics card. The only thing is that I'm not sure if my current set up is sufficient. My CPU and Memory were upgraded last year, though I'm still not sure if it'll be enough. I've come on here each time I've upgraded my PC, and I can definitely use the help now. Thank you! Here are my specs:

CPU: i7 4790K
Motherboard: Z87 Extreme4
Memory: 16 GB DDR3
2TB HDD and 150GB SSD (Just for OS)
PSU: 650W
GPU: 980OC

I was gonna upgrade to a 2080ti, but, I waited all year for this presentation. based on my specs, I'm gonna guess that my safest bet is the 3070?

[Moonzy]

your setup would hold back the 2070 super in most games

so you should upgrade your cpu soon too if you're going for the 3070

[Prebuilt]

4 minutes ago, azraelshadow said:

After seeing Nvidia's presentation, I decided that I'm going to upgrade my graphics card. The only thing is that I'm not sure if my current set up is sufficient. My CPU and Memory were upgraded last year, though I'm still not sure if it'll be enough. I've come on here each time I've upgraded my PC, and I can definitely use the help now. Thank you! Here are my specs:

CPU: i7 4790K
Motherboard: Z87 Extreme4
Memory: 16 GB DDR3
2TB HDD and 150GB SSD (Just for OS)
PSU: 650W
GPU: 980OC

I was gonna upgrade to a 2080ti, but, I waited all year for this presentation. based on my specs, I'm gonna guess that my safest bet is the 3070?

Now thinking about it, I do not know if the power supply is enough. I also want to upgrade my GPU but I do not know if 650W is enough since the wattage for the 3070 on the NVIDIA page is 220W. The recommended watts for the PSU for a 3070 is 650W. 

[Nathanpete]

3070 is the safest bet if u are going for Ampere. But the 4790K is aging, a lot. Like even the i5-9400 Is better than it in so many ways. But that means an upgraded mobo and RAM. If anything the prices on used RTX 20 are dropping so much that u might as well just buy a used RTX 2060/2060S. 

Your PSU is just fine. 

[LightHawk]

That is fairly close to what I'm running and I too am considering to upgrade, however I was considering to maybe go for the 3080, however (and this is where I'm shamelessly using your thread to hopefully get some advice myself) according to this GN article the 4790K @4.8 GHz draws close to 200W.

At this point in time it is fairly safe to assume that yours is overclocked too, I know mine is and while afaik there's been no mention of TDP on the 3070, the 3080 is supposedly drawing 320 W iirc, account for some automatic overclocking on a decently cooled card and you can expect say... 340W? That would put CPU and GPU alone at 540W if you were to go for the 3080 (again, I dont know how much the 3070 is supposed to draw). At that point you should still be fine with a 650W PSU, but it is somthing to consider.

 

Here's my issue though: I'm running a 600W PSU, would I be fine with a 3080 or would I need a new PSU as well?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

3070 is the safest bet if u are going for Ampere. But the 4790K is aging, a lot. Like even the i5-9400 Is better than it in so many ways. But that means an upgraded mobo and RAM. If anything the prices on used RTX 20 are dropping so much that u might as well just buy a used RTX 2060/2060S. 

Your PSU is just fine. 

 

The 4790K may be aging, but honestly, especially at higher resolutions it's still perfectly fine, if you're at 1440P or even 4K you're likely still CPU bound with a 3000 card, but most modern games will still run at or above 100 FPS on that CPU

Edited September 1, 2020 by LightHawk
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[azraelshadow]

Based on the answers I'm getting in the thread, I'm now looking up MOBO's and CPU's, just in case. Should I go 10th Gen for Intel, or stick with 9th? That'll also mean whether I get a MOBO that's LGA1151 or LGA1200. But, the overall price of upgrading my PC will be much more significant. If the price if too high, then I'd rather just get the 3070 if my PC can run it. I know my current CPU is aging, and badly. But if I can squeeze a couple more years out of it with the 3070, I will.

[Prebuilt]

1 minute ago, azraelshadow said:

Based on the answers I'm getting in the thread, I'm now looking up MOBO's and CPU's, just in case. Should I go 10th Gen for Intel, or stick with 9th? That'll also mean whether I get a MOBO that's LGA1151 or LGA1200. But, the overall price of upgrading my PC will be much more significant. If the price if too high, then I'd rather just get the 3070 if my PC can run it. I know my current CPU is aging, and badly. But if I can squeeze a couple more years out of it with the 3070, I will.

A lot of people are put off by the slower RAM speeds of Intel 10th Gen. If you are looking to save a few bucks I am sure Z390 and 9th Gen is ok. 10th Gen is good with a Z490 but alittle more expensive.

[LightHawk]

8 minutes ago, azraelshadow said:

Based on the answers I'm getting in the thread, I'm now looking up MOBO's and CPU's, just in case. Should I go 10th Gen for Intel, or stick with 9th? That'll also mean whether I get a MOBO that's LGA1151 or LGA1200. But, the overall price of upgrading my PC will be much more significant. If the price if too high, then I'd rather just get the 3070 if my PC can run it. I know my current CPU is aging, and badly. But if I can squeeze a couple more years out of it with the 3070, I will.

If you're still happy with your 4790K consider holding on to it for a year or two more. If you feel like that's what you need to upgrade that's fine, don't get me wrong but DDR5 RAM is probably going to see commercial adaptation next year according to numerous sources/speculations, here is an example of what I'm talking about.

I'm planning to wait for DDR5 before upgrading my CPU (even though that will come with an early adopter tax IF I upgrade next year already) to at least have the option to upgrade again in a few years in case it becomes neccessary, without having to replace RAM yet again.

[Nathanpete]

2 minutes ago, LightHawk said:

If you're still happy with your 4790K consider holding on to it for a year or two more. If you feel like that's what you need to upgrade that's fine, don't get me wrong but DDR5 RAM is probably going to see commercial adaptation next year according to numerous sources/speculations, here is an example of what I'm talking about.

I'm planning to wait for DDR5 before upgrading my CPU (even though that will come with an early adopter tax IF I upgrade next year already) to at least have the option to upgrade again in a few years in case it becomes neccessary, without having to replace RAM yet again.

No need to wait for DDR5 like u are saving for a house. It won't even come to a majority of enterprise systems for a year, and the early adopters tax is both price and performance for every previous RAM generation. Every previous gen launch has a performance penalty compared to the previous gen. For example, you can expect the first consumer DDR5 sticks will actually be worse than the now common DDR4-3600

[LightHawk]

2 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

No need to wait for DDR5 like u are saving for a house. It won't even come to a majority of enterprise systems for a year, and the early adopters tax is both price and performance for every previous RAM generation. Every previous gen launch has a performance penalty compared to the previous gen. For example, you can expect the first consumer DDR5 sticks will actually be worse than the now common DDR4-3600

Perhaps you're right, but I still stand by what I said. In the majority of my games I'm not CPU bound, so I don't feel like upgrading my CPU is neccessary. If that changes before DDR5 becomes worth it I can still upgrade to something that needs DDR4, or if the difference is negligible, go for DDR5 anyway to have the option to uprade more easily since that way I'm at least on the latest platform.

[azraelshadow]

You guys have no idea how much I appreciate the responses I'm getting from you all. If I decide to upgrade my PC, I'm going budget, as per usual. ASUS Z480A, and i7 10th Gen.Unless as mentioned above that the 9th Gen is cheaper. Are there any good arguments for keeping my CPU as is for a couple more years and just getting the 3070?

[Nathanpete]

1 minute ago, azraelshadow said:

You guys have no idea how much I appreciate the responses I'm getting from you all. If I decide to upgrade my PC, I'm going budget, as per usual. ASUS Z480A, and i7 10th Gen.Unless as mentioned above that the 9th Gen is cheaper. Are there any good arguments for keeping my CPU as is for a couple more years and just getting the 3070?

Correction, it is Z490-A, but that is prob just a typo. 

 

9th gen should be cheaper, and 10700K isn't all that impressive compared to the 9900K on the average consumer setup. 10700K + 3070 would be a great combo, but if u are going budget, u should really get the 10600K, it is recommended as a great budget gaming CPU. It is pretty much intel's answer to the 3600. 

And then u can still go with an AIB 3070. 

[azraelshadow]

8 minutes ago, Nathanpete said:

Correction, it is Z490-A, but that is prob just a typo. 

 

9th gen should be cheaper, and 10700K isn't all that impressive compared to the 9900K on the average consumer setup. 10700K + 3070 would be a great combo, but if u are going budget, u should really get the 10600K, it is recommended as a great budget gaming CPU. It is pretty much intel's answer to the 3600. 

And then u can still go with an AIB 3070. 

I;m gonna need to check up on the 9900K along with its respective MOBO. If you can recommend one, it's highly appreciated. If I do decide to upgrade my setup to the 9900K or the 10700K (probably the 2.9 rather than the 3.8), then  I'll most likely go for the 3080 rather than the 3070. 

[azraelshadow]

I've been pouring over CPU's and MOBO's, but, it seems I've come across some other problem. 3080 and 2070 are PCI-E 4.0 capable, while most motherboards don't support it as of yet. Does anyone have a list of MOBO's that do? Because if Rocket Lake comes out about the end of the year, along with newer MOBO's, then I'll most likely just wait to upgrade.

[Nathanpete]

On 9/1/2020 at 3:59 PM, azraelshadow said:

I've been pouring over CPU's and MOBO's, but, it seems I've come across some other problem. 3080 and 2070 are PCI-E 4.0 capable, while most motherboards don't support it as of yet. Does anyone have a list of MOBO's that do? Because if Rocket Lake comes out about the end of the year, along with newer MOBO's, then I'll most likely just wait to upgrade.

All X570 motherboards from AMD support PCIe 4.0 when pared with a Zen 2 or Zen 3 part. You shouldn't expect a real world performance difference between PCIe 3.0 and 4.0 on the 3070 and 3080, only on the 3090 tbh. So it really doesn't matter. 

 

Again, if you are gaming and you want to save money, don't get the 10700K, the 10600K is just as good for gaming and a great overclocker. (At least according to Gamers Nexus, who I do trust the most bc they don't take shit from anybody and have a fantastic testing methodology)

 

10th gen K CPUs use Z490, the 9900K uses Z390. I can't recommend a motherboard as I have not yet used either Z390 or Z490. Just check reviews and make sure you motherboard is completely compatible with stuff like your case (form factor, fan ports, front panel I/O, and case mounted monitors, etc.)

 

We still don't know if rocket lake is really bringing PCIe 4.0 to Z490. It would be dependent on the motherboard as some motherboards only added future PCIe 4.0 support bc of Intel's plans at 10th gen launch. Not all motherboard makers invested in PCIe 4.0 support at Z490's launch.