Screw water

[StickyCoy]

You know how if you stir water while it boils it stops boiling. Does it reduce temp, is it playing mind tricks and still boiling or does it heat up? Maybe it does nothing and you start a new trend with lil penguin or frog figurines swimming in your runs. It be cool to see you test that theory in the runs of a water cooled system. Like a small screw that's stirs the water in the line. Will it help reduce the temps?

[For Science!]

You are just exposing more hot water to the cool air by stirring. Also sticking in the paddle that is not at boiling temperatures will also "cool" the liquid. It's the same as pouring water out of a kettle cools the water down substantially.

[StickyCoy]

Welp since I still want to see a tiny penguin or frog swimming in a run. I say your both wrong. 

[Lipe123]

Boiling water has pretty much nothing to do with water cooling though?

 

Also stirring water does not stop the boiling process or the bubbles at all once all the water is the same temp.

 

[Tristerin]

1 hour ago, Todd Coy said:

Welp since I still want to see a tiny penguin or frog swimming in a run. I say your both wrong. 

 

 

AND THIS THREAD IS WHY THE "ASK JEEVES" THREAD EXISTS BITCHING ABOUT MODERATORS 

 

People tried to answer your silly question, that a simple google search could have answered and yet....that's how you reply?

[For Science!]

6 hours ago, Todd Coy said:

i say your both wrong. 

Stay in school/should’ve stayed in school.

you can find things called flow meters, but they do not cool the loop.

 

[StickyCoy]

Although you may be right about the school thing. I did learn Douchebags who pretend to think they know. Tend to miss what they don't. Sure with a little 'Ask Jeeves' I could have answered what I wanted. Which btw I was curious about inline pumps. Wondered if they have them for pcs. Read between the lines or maybe ask why instead of think you know why. Oh and thanks for the tip on flow meters. They look cool. 

[For Science!]

4 minutes ago, Todd Coy said:

Although you may be right about the school thing. I did learn Douchebags who pretend to think they know. Tend to miss what they don't. Sure with a little 'Ask Jeeves' I could have answered what I wanted. Which btw I was curious about inline pumps. Wondered if they have them for pcs. Read between the lines or maybe ask why instead of think you know why. Oh and thanks for the tip on flow meters. They look cool. 

If it helps with your understanding, you can change "pot of boiling water" with "pot of water with ice cubes". Do the ice cubes melt faster or slower when you stir it, and have a deep think as to why. 

 

As far as I am aware, all PC watercooling pumps are inline, maybe you can elaborate on your question further. Perhaps you are referring mainly in the context of form-factor rather than whether a pump is inline or not.

[StickyCoy]

To be honest I was not prepared for such serious responses to something so silly. Intially I was hoping for more creative responses. Maybe spark someones imagination a little. Since it is now about the knowledge I know. I do not think I know enough about pc water cooling, at this point, to elaborate an appropriate question. On the positive side I want to learn more about water cooling.  

 

 

[For Science!]

39 minutes ago, StickyCoy said:

To be honest I was not prepared for such serious responses to something so silly. Intially I was hoping for more creative responses. Maybe spark someones imagination a little. Since it is now about the knowledge I know. I do not think I know enough about pc water cooling, at this point, to elaborate an appropriate question. On the positive side I want to learn more about water cooling.  

 

 

Glad you’re interested. Just be aware that if you’re too non-serious with the purpose or the content of the question, this would probably considered “trolling” and is not welcome as per the community guidelines.

 

otherwise, enjoy learning about pc watercooling, there is a lot to cover.

[StickyCoy]

I appreciate your concern for the well being to the community. I am new to this one. Trolling is not what I intended. Trolling happen here often? 

 

Again I feel I was taken too serious. 

 

I challenge you to rethink it creatively and take it non serious.

 

Does it make you want to see a penguin floating inside the longest run in a snow themed build or maybe a vertical run instead the penguin trying to swim up. How about a frog in a neon build? I mean these days you see people using a GPU as a shelf for their toys. I'm surprised I'm the first one to even start this conversation.

 

Also makes me start thinking about thermals again. What if the fan blades were slightly cooled instead of the water. Or

Maybe a copper fan built inside a block with an exhaust to catch and release the heat being sent through the block? 

 

I'm just trying to say it's ok to color outside the lines. And sometimes in order to color outside the lines we need to forget we were told to stay in the lines. 

 

[For Science!]

3 hours ago, StickyCoy said:

Also makes me start thinking about thermals again. What if the fan blades were slightly cooled instead of the water.

Or

Maybe a copper fan built inside a block with an exhaust to catch and release the heat being sent through the block? 

I think a fundamental piece of information you are missing here is that watercooling is still aircooling. Water (the coolant) is simply used to move concentrated heat (energy) from one location to another with high efficiency, preferably somewhere with a larger surface area than the heat generating surface. The large surface area (i.e. a radiator) is exposed to airflow via fans and the temperature delta between the incoming air and the temperature of the dissipating surface allows for the removal of energy from the system. So therefore a watercooled setup is no different to an aircooler where the heatsink has been moved further away from the CPU/GPU and instead of being connected by heat pipes, has water running through the system instead.

 

A fan blade does not have much surface area, and also is connected in close proximity to a motor, a heat generating component in itself. Apart from the obvious question of "how would you slightly cool a fan blade", the second question of "what would you hope to achieve by doing so" would be the elephant in the room. Due to the small surface area of the blades and lack of prolonged contact between the blades and any volume of air, you would not see a reduction of the temperature of the air surrounding it. It would be far more effective to "just turn the AC on" to reduce the ambient air temperature and thereby increase the delta between the radiator temperature and incoming air tempearture.

 

Similarly, a typical waterblock does not have significant surface area on the air-side (mainly for aesthetics) and therefore fanning a waterblock does not make much sense from a performance stand point. Basically to expect any decent dissipation, the energy must be moved to something with a substantial surface area, in otherwords, a radiator.

 

4 hours ago, StickyCoy said:

Does it make you want to see a penguin floating inside the longest run in a snow themed build or maybe a vertical run instead the penguin trying to swim up. How about a frog in a neon build? I mean these days you see people using a GPU as a shelf for their toys. I'm surprised I'm the first one to even start this conversation.

Adding things into loops for entertainment purposes is not new, I have suggested things in the past myself. On a personal note, No, I do not want to see a penguin or frog, in my custom loop, I find such figurines of poor taste. It is an expensive endevour and there are good reasons why you wouldn't want something that could shed plastics, metals, pigments, etc into an already delicate balance of chemicals and metals.

 

4 hours ago, StickyCoy said:

Again I feel I was taken too serious. 

 

I challenge you to rethink it creatively and take it non serious.

 

I'm just trying to say it's ok to color outside the lines. And sometimes in order to color outside the lines we need to forget we were told to stay in the lines. 

I think it's very easy for you to dismiss a proper answer to your questions as "too serious", but before you rock up to NASA and say that they need to be more creative in how they assemble their rockets, you better have a good idea about how to assemble rockets normally.

 

So before rocking up and "challenging" others who know better, I challenge you to get a good grounded understanding of watercooling, perhaps do one yourself so that you see how things work a bit more, and then come back and report on your beautiful frogs swimming through your loop. Lead by example, show off your ideas.

 

[asquirrel]

On 7/31/2020 at 11:10 AM, StickyCoy said:

You know how if you stir water while it boils it stops boiling. Does it reduce temp, is it playing mind tricks and still boiling or does it heat up? Maybe it does nothing and you start a new trend with lil penguin or frog figurines swimming in your runs. It be cool to see you test that theory in the runs of a water cooled system. Like a small screw that's stirs the water in the line. Will it help reduce the temps?

What you perceive as 'boiling' is actually just water convection. IE: Hot water from the bottom rising to the top. The air bubbles that come out of the water initially are also a part of this effect. When you stick something into the water to stir, you give the air dissolved in the water somewhere to nucleate (form) and so you end up pulling a lot of the air out of the water in a few seconds just by stirring it, whereas it would take minutes to happen without stirring.

 

The thing you stir with also has thermal mass, so if you stick a large metal spoon into the water right as it starts to boil, it will suck so much energy out of the water that it may actually go back below the boiling point. This is why the spoon would come out of the water hotter than it went in, it literally took heat energy from the water and kept it for itself, of course this will lower the temperature of the water!

 

Finally, convection doesn't have a lot of force behind it, so even when you stop stirring, there are still currents in the water. The convection that you probably consider boiling (the 'bubbling' of the surface, where the water just seems to be coming up from an endless fountain beneath -- that's convection) is delayed until the currents in the water have settled enough that the force of the convected water is higher than the force of the currents from the stirring.

 

Physics...in school they teach you to focus on one system at a time. In reality, you have to focus on *all* of the systems at once.