Small Form Factor

[GoldenGuy]

Budget (including currency): 750 euros 

Country: France

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games mainly CSGO, The Division 2 Destiny 2

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

No peripherals needed, and already have ram and storage. 

Hello, final steps before i buy this. Could anyone tell me if they would all work together please. I'm in France and it's mainly for games. I just think that the gpu is really overpriced so if anyone knows any alternatives it would be super nice. Thank you (PS i already have ram and storage)
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/pb4s7T

 

[marmour]

16 minutes ago, GoldenGuy said:

Budget (including currency): 750 euros 

Country: France

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Games mainly CSGO, The Division 2 Destiny 2

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

No peripherals needed, and already have ram and storage. 

Hello, final steps before i buy this. Could anyone tell me if they would all work together please. I'm in France and it's mainly for games. I just think that the gpu is really overpriced so if anyone knows any alternatives it would be super nice. Thank you (PS i already have ram and storage)
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/pb4s7T

 

Build looks pretty solid to me. Have a look at this GPU. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CnpmP6/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-oc-video-card-gv-n166soc-6gd

I checked the dimensions and I think it fits your case, you may want to check yourself though. I was also looking at the sapphire pulse 5600xt which is quite reasonably priced, and would give you better performance, however I think it's a bit too wide for your case.

Rest of the build looks good

[Mateyyy]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€180.00 @ Amazon France
Motherboard	MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	€144.94 @ TopAchat
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card	€273.98 @ Alternate
Case	Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case	€54.97 @ Amazon France
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€79.99 @ Corsair
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€733.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-10 16:50 CEST+0200

Zen and Zen+ (like the 2600) CPUs aren't particularly great when it comes to gaming compared to Zen 2 or Intel, particularly in CS:GO, so I'd highly suggest going with a 3000 series CPU instead. I went for the 3600 and ditched the aftermarket cooler to fit in the €750 budget. Otherwise, you'd probably be looking at a 3300X instead of the 3600. On that note, the NH-L9i you picked is compatible only with Intel 115x sockets - you'd need to go for the NH-L9a instead.

 

The B450I Gaming Plus is better than the Gigabyte board in terms of VRMs, and for just €10 more I'd say it's worth it. Keep in mind that it's very likely that it'll require a BIOS update to work with Zen 2 - maybe the retailer you buy it from could do this for you.

[GoldenGuy]

6 minutes ago, marmour said:

Build looks pretty solid to me. Have a look at this GPU. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CnpmP6/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-super-6-gb-oc-video-card-gv-n166soc-6gd

I checked the dimensions and I think it fits your case, you may want to check yourself though. I was also looking at the sapphire pulse 5600xt which is quite reasonably priced, and would give you better performance, however I think it's a bit too wide for your case.

Rest of the build looks good

Thank you : )

[GoldenGuy]

8 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€180.00 @ Amazon France
Motherboard	MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard	€144.94 @ TopAchat
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card	€273.98 @ Alternate
Case	Silverstone SG13 Mini ITX Tower Case	€54.97 @ Amazon France
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€79.99 @ Corsair
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€733.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-10 16:50 CEST+0200

Zen and Zen+ (like the 2600) CPUs aren't particularly great when it comes to gaming, particularly in CS:GO, so I'd highly suggest going with a Zen 2 CPU instead. I went for the 3600 and ditched the aftermarket cooler to fit in the €750 budget. Otherwise, you'd probably be looking at a 3300X instead of the 3600. On that note, the NH-L9i you picked is compatible only with Intel 115x sockets - you'd need to go for the NH-L9a instead.

 

The B450I Gaming Plus is better than the Gigabyte board in terms of VRMs, and for just €10 more I'd say it's worth it. Keep in mind that it's very likely that it'll require a BIOS update to work with Zen 2 - maybe the retailer you buy it from could do this for you.

Great to know, thank you. The thing is that i don't think i'll be capable of updating the BIOS by myself, that gpu changes will make save a few euros : ). But i'm a bit scared of the cpu overheating without anything on it since i don't have additional cooling, and i don't think the stock cooler would fit in there since i went with a normal power supply since it's cheaper.

[Mateyyy]

11 minutes ago, GoldenGuy said:

Great to know, thank you. The thing is that i don't think i'll be capable of updating the BIOS by myself, that gpu changes will make save a few euros : ). But i'm a bit scared of the cpu overheating without anything on it since i don't have additional cooling, and i don't think the stock cooler would fit in there since i went with a normal power supply since it's cheaper.

I'd ask the retailer or go to a PC shop, they should be able to do it fairly easily for a very small fee most likely. It's quite unfortunate that none of the ITX B450 boards support BIOS flashback if I'm not mistaken, as that would've allowed you to update the BIOS easily without even needing a Ryzen 1000/2000 chip.

The stock cooler should be alright for stock speeds, and on paper should fit inside the SG13 - the included Wraith Stealth has a 54mm height and the SG13 allows 61mm of clearance for the CPU cooler.

[GoldenGuy]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I'd ask the retailer or go to a PC shop, they should be able to do it fairly easily for a very small fee most likely. It's quite unfortunate that none of the ITX B450 boards support BIOS flashback if I'm not mistaken, as that would've allowed you to update the BIOS easily without even needing a Ryzen 1000/2000 chip.

The stock cooler should be alright for stock speeds, and on paper should fit inside the SG13 - the included Wraith Stealth has a 54mm height and the SG13 allows 61mm of clearance for the CPU cooler.

Thank you, sorry for bothering you but could i ask one last question, for bios update, could i download the latest on a usb stick from another pc then update the bios ? Because i just watched a few videos and it actually looks pretty easy to do.

[Mateyyy]

4 minutes ago, GoldenGuy said:

Thank you, sorry for bothering you but could i ask one last question, for bios update, could i download the latest on a usb stick from another pc then update the bios ? Because i just watched a few videos and it actually looks pretty easy to do.

No worries. Well that's what I was saying above about BIOS flashback - that would've allowed you to just plug a USB thumb drive in the rear and flash the BIOS without even having a CPU installed, but since the board doesn't support that functionality you'd need a compatible CPU first to have in the board, go into the BIOS, update and then put your Zen 2 chip in. If you were to put a Ryzen 3000 CPU in and it's got an older version of the BIOS that doesn't support it, it just won't POST at all.

[GoldenGuy]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

No worries. Well that's what I was saying above about BIOS flashback - that would've allowed you to just plug a USB thumb drive in the rear and flash the BIOS without even having a CPU installed, but since the board doesn't support that functionality you'd need a compatible CPU first to have in the board, go into the BIOS, update and then put your Zen 2 chip in. If you were to put a Ryzen 3000 CPU in and it's got an older version of the BIOS that doesn't support it, it just won't POST at all.

Oh ok sorry, so nothing will show up not even the bios. I might just go for the 2600 instead then at least i won't have compatibility issues, or i'll ask the seller first if they're ready for 3xxx series, thank you for the tips ! Have an awesome day, or what's left of it depending on where you are : )

[Mateyyy]

5 minutes ago, GoldenGuy said:

Oh ok sorry, so nothing will show up not even the bios. I might just go for the 2600 instead then at least i won't have compatibility issues, or i'll ask the seller first if they're ready for 3xxx series, thank you for the tips ! Have an awesome day, or what's left of it depending on where you are : )

Yeah I'd first ask the seller whether it's compatible out of the box or if they could update the BIOS for you.

No problem mate, you too!

[Nena Trinity]

3300X is also a option! :3 (unless you want more cores for a AAA game later) 

[GoldenGuy]

57 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Yeah I'd first ask the seller whether it's compatible out of the box or if they could update the BIOS for you.

No problem mate, you too!

Sorry was looking at the orginal motherboard and noticed it was ready for ryzen 3xxx, should i go for that one ? Asked about the msi one but it is not and they cannot update it for me.

[Mateyyy]

5 minutes ago, GoldenGuy said:

Sorry was looking at the orginal motherboard and noticed it was ready for ryzen 3xxx, should i go for that one ? Asked about the msi one but it is not and they cannot update it for me.

You can go for it, it's just that its VRMs are a fair bit weaker than the MSI board.

It should still run a 6-core 3600 without any issues, and especially if you have some half-decent airflow inside the case, it should run an 8-core like the 3700X at stock speeds.

[Aragorn-]

5 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

I'd ask the retailer or go to a PC shop, they should be able to do it fairly easily for a very small fee most likely. It's quite unfortunate that none of the ITX B450 boards support BIOS flashback if I'm not mistaken, as that would've allowed you to update the BIOS easily without even needing a Ryzen 1000/2000 chip.

The stock cooler should be alright for stock speeds, and on paper should fit inside the SG13 - the included Wraith Stealth has a 54mm height and the SG13 allows 61mm of clearance for the CPU cooler.

I use the larger Wraith Spire (earlier copper cored version) with my SG13. But it does have an SFX power supply, and the optional bracket to move the PSU right up to the top of the opening. Theres a decent gap between the cooler and PSU too.

 

I would definitely go SFX if you can in the SG13. I'm using a 500w silverstone with a 2600x and a Vega56.

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, Aragorn- said:

I use the larger Wraith Spire (earlier copper cored version) with my SG13. But it does have an SFX power supply, and the optional bracket to move the PSU right up to the top of the opening. Theres a decent gap between the cooler and PSU too.

 

I would definitely go SFX if you can in the SG13. I'm using a 500w silverstone with a 2600x and a Vega56.

Yeah going with an SFX PSU definitely wouldn't be a bad idea. For a 3600 and 1660S an SF450 would be plenty, but the SF600 might be the better choice for future GPU upgrades for example. OP would need to look for an ATX to SFX adaptor mount though, as the SG13 doesn't come with one afaik.

[Aragorn-]

My build did come with one, though i now realise it might have come with the PSU (SX500) rather than the case, but it puts the PSU sort of in the middle of the ATX opening. I ordered the optional PP08 bracket which is only a few £ and this moves the PSU right up to the top of the opening.

 

https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=631&area=en

 

I'm not actually sure why they dont just supply that bracket with their PSU, rather than supplying the other, different bracket!