Ryzen 3300x and 4C vs 6C discussion!

[Aman7]

Okay, so the ryzen 3300x seems like a very good cpu for its price. But there is a catch, in India (where I live) there is another cpu at almost the same price ($10 cheaper) called the ryzen 5 3500. (Just to clarify NOT the 3600, 3500X, or the 3500u) Now things get really interesting here, the 3500 for those unaware is a 6 cores and 6 threads cpu. (No hyperthreading) The base clock is 3.6 GHz and can be boosted to 4.1. It was launched in Q4 2019, so quite recent.

Now choosing one of the two, 3300x or 3500 is becoming a big dilemma. Since 3500 isnt worldwide, there are not many references i can get, but the few that i got suggested them to be almost equal in fps for diff games. But is it worth getting a 4C 8T cpu in 2020 or should i go with the 6C 6T. Some sources say that more physical cores is always better while others say 8T is important for gaming and the ccx layout of 3300x will help outperform the other. 4C will soon become outdated as more and more games utilize more cores and threads, but then again 3300x seems to have a better single core performance. To clarify about my own case, I am looking to mostly game (NO streaming or editing plans) and a bit of moderate usage. I am not always playing the latest and greatest of games. Also an important thing to note I will be using an rx580 or GTX 1650S most probably so will either cpu make a difference? i am starting to think the gpu will be the bottleneck but maybe i am wrong.

Thanks for reading, please leave your thoughts!

[Jurrunio]

3500X also has 4.1GHz boost, so it's just retailers messing up 3500x with the rumoured 3500 which is supposed to have lower clocks but didnt exist anywhere but leaks (or AMD's internal plans that we dont have access of)

 

depends on the game. 3300X is as close to a lower core count Intel CPU as you'd get on this platform so if the game plays very well with say the 7700k than greater core count Ryzen CPUs, then the 3300X will also beat the 3500X and vice versa. If 7700k and higher core count Ryzen both dont do that well (while greater core count Intel CPUs speed ahead), then 3500X and 3300x are equally viable.

[Mister Woof]

Take a look at 7700k vs 9600k

 

the answer lay there

 

personally, i'd just get the 3300x between those or spend more and get the 3600.

[Guest]

From this benchmark, it seems the 3300X is ~7% faster at single threaded applications like gaming, while the 3500 is tied for multi threaded applications. It seems like the 3300X is better than the 3500.

[Aman7]

Just now, Darpyface said:

From this benchmark, it seems the 3300X is ~7% faster at single threaded applications like gaming, while the 3500 is tied for multi threaded applications. It seems like the 3300X is better than the 3500.

"Better"

But are the 4 cores enough in 2020? and can they last me some years?
 

[boggy77]

i don't think with a 580 or a 1650 super it will make any difference. any difference will be seen for 2080 and up

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Aman7 said:

"Better"

But are the 4 cores enough in 2020? and can they last me some years?
 

With only a 1650S/RX 580, 4 cores is plenty. Back when 6700k/7700k are new people pair GTX 980Tis and later, GTX 1080/1080Tis with them.

[Aman7]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

depends on the game. 3300X is as close to a lower core count Intel CPU as you'd get on this platform so if the game plays very well with say the 7700k than greater core count Ryzen CPUs, then the 3300X will also beat the 3500 and vice versa. If 7700k and higher core count Ryzen both dont do that well (while greater core count Intel CPUs speed ahead), then 3500 and 3300x are equally viable.

Hmm, interesting... I usually enjoy long sessions of minecraft (vanilla and modded) which is a single core game, but i also play a bunch of other including csgo, witcher 3, gta 5, etc and wud like to explore more if my pc will handle it. Which do you think is better "overall"? 
 
Or is my graphics card not going to make much of a diff like boggy said in this thread

[Aman7]

By the way this is a really nice community, so quick responses. Thank you for all the help. Keep it coming!

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Aman7 said:

csgo

another single core game

 

4 minutes ago, Aman7 said:

witcher 3,

GPU bound as heck

 

4 minutes ago, Aman7 said:

gta 5

Faster cores still means more than more cores, and rather GPU bound by 2015 standards.

 

I think 3300X is still better. Even in terms of max all core performance, 3500X is only 5-7% faster (AMD's SMT provides up to 40% increase in per core performance, best case scenario in other words) than 3300X with the multi-CCX latency issue that 3300X does not face.

[Aman7]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

another single core game

 

GPU bound as heck

 

Faster cores still means more than more cores, and rather GPU bound by 2015 standards.

 

I think 3300X is still better. Even in terms of max all core performance, 3500X is only 5-7% faster (AMD's SMT provides up to 40% increase in per core performance, best case scenario in other words) than 3300X with the multi-CCX latency issue that 3300X does not face.

I think ill go for the 3300x then! Hopefully my pc isnt a potato in 4-5 years (jk)
Thanks! 

But I will still like more responses for a day or two, some more opinions and maybe someone who has a counterargument!

[RAS_3885]

35 minutes ago, Aman7 said:

I think ill go for the 3300x then! Hopefully my pc isnt a potato in 4-5 years (jk)
Thanks! 

But I will still like more responses for a day or two, some more opinions and maybe someone who has a counterargument!

Bang for the buck I also think the 3300x is the better way to go. Since you're not doing anything besides gaming the benefits of many additional cores won't be nearly as important. 4c/8t should be fine for the next handful of years for gaming, especially since the GPUs you're looking at aren't going to demand the CPU to push out hundreds of frames per second, so a faster CPU likely won't benefit you all that much. Also, depending on what resolution you play at it might matter even less. Moving to 1440p for example will make the CPU power less important since more games are likely to be GPU bounds at that point.

 

If you think you might start streaming or editing in the next 3-5 years, then you're probably better off with the 3600.

 

For reference, I'm still using a 4c/8t 4790k from 2015 for gaming only and it's holding up well.

[ezazyeah]

My friend has recently challenged me for which processors is better? I've suggested him to buy AMD RYZEN 3 3300X DESKTOP PROCESSOR