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Okay, I'll contribute my two cents, I'm gonna assume you're going for the 1st build.

  • I'd just go with the cheapest X570 board you can find, with overclocking you're going to get very little from the 3900X, so I personally think it should just be run stock. VRM quality is a nice to have, but really isn't essential in any way. I would personally avoid Gigabyte boards, but that's a personal preference.
  • I'd go for a 280mm AIO rather than a 360mm. While the 360mm AIO would have a minor edge in cooling performance, a 280mm still has plenty of capacity for a 105w chip running stock. More importantly, a 280mm would be a lot more quiet than a 360, since you'd have one less fan, and you won't have to spin it as fast. The best AIO on the market right now is the Arctic Liquid freezer II, but you might not be able to find one.
  • The m.2 version of the WD Blue SSDs is a pretty mediocre NVME SSD, since it's a DRAM-less SSD. I would do a bit more research and find a faster NVME SSD, you probably won't have to pay that much more, if at all, for a NVME drive with DRAM.
  • If you need to free up a bit of budget, you can always switch your SATA SSD for a Chinese one. Those Chinese SSDs are more than enough for storing games and other files on slightly faster storage, and they're quite cheap. I've had quite a few over the years, and they're pretty reliable. Since you're going to be putting your OS on the NVME drive, this might not be a poor idea.
  • Remember that you can get gray-market Windows 10 Pro keys on eBay for around $5.

 

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Hi, I'm kinda new to building a PC and this might seem to be a noob question, which of these two are the best for all around? Mainly use for gaming, video editing, and 3D animation. Will probably build a pc between these two once the pandemic situation is a bit off.

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And another thing, I'm not comfortable with overclocking at all but do I need to overclock the CPU processor in order to achieve the 3600MHz speed for the RAMs? And if it's possible, how? Thank you. 

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8 minutes ago, Arctovish said:

Hi, I'm kinda new to building a PC and this might seem to be a noob question, which of these two are the best for all around? Mainly use for gaming, video editing, and 3D animation. Will probably build a pc between these two once the pandemic situation is a bit off.

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And another thing, I'm not comfortable with overclocking at all but do I need to overclock the CPU processor in order to achieve the 3600MHz speed for the RAMs? And if it's possible, how? Thank you. 

For pure FPS in games, the 9900k will be superior. But, in editing and rendering assuming the programs you use take good advantage of many threads, the Ryzen will be much more effective at those tasks.

 

Not to say a 9900k won’t be good at them either, but I think for your situation the Ryzen makes more sense.

 

To run 3600 RAM, just enable XMP in the bios, and that’s it. 

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2 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

For pure FPS in games, the 9900k will be superior. But, in editing and rendering assuming the programs you use take good advantage of many threads, the Ryzen will be much more effective at those tasks.

 

Not to say a 9900k won’t be good at them either, but I think for your situation the Ryzen makes more sense.

 

To run 3600 RAM, just enable XMP in the bios, and that’s it. 

Are these pre-builts? They're both specced fairly well, but the cases and coolers are super-budget and not really what you see housing those CPU/GPUs. The motherboards are also both the bottom models for that chipset.

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For what you said you’ll be doing a ryzen 9 will perform much better.

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1 hour ago, iBabySlapper said:

Are these pre-builts? They're both specced fairly well, but the cases and coolers are super-budget and not really what you see housing those CPU/GPUs. The motherboards are also both the bottom models for that chipset.

Nope, they aren't pre-builts, I made them mostly from specific store here in my country and for the case, I just went with something that has somehow better airflow and case fans, I'm planning to change my CPU cooler into NZXT Kraken X72 360mm but will stay for stock speed since I'm not comfortable enough with overclocking and for the motherboard, is there any specifc MSI X570 motherboard(s) that are good enough and can handle Ryzen 9 3900x + RTX 2080 Super? Thank you so much.

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6 minutes ago, gloop said:

I'd personally go for the 1st build, the one with a 3900x. If you can, swap out the motherboard for this as it has better vrms vs the msi.

Got it, and in terms of overclocking, is it okay if I just stick with the stock speed? Was hoping for a straight manufacturer build for better sync but I guess I'll just go with this since I'm into performance anyway.

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Got it, and in terms of overclocking, is it okay if I just stick with the stock speed? Was hoping for a straight manufacturer build for better sync but I guess I'll just go with this since I'm into performance anyway.

You can enable PBO in Ryzen Master and it will overclock the CPU automatically. With a 360mm AIO it should boost pretty high.

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10 minutes ago, gloop said:

You can enable PBO in Ryzen Master and it will overclock the CPU automatically. With a 360mm AIO it should boost pretty high.

Okay got it, thanks. Last question, What's the difference between ASUS TUF Gaming X570 and MSI B450 Tomahawk Max? Will B450 Tomahawk Max be able to handle Ryzen 9 3900x + 2080 Super?

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56 minutes ago, Arctovish said:

Okay got it, thanks. Last question, What's the difference between ASUS TUF Gaming X570 and MSI B450 Tomahawk Max? Will B450 Tomahawk Max be able to handle Ryzen 9 3900x + 2080 Super?

The Tomahawk Max should be able to handle it, motherboards are not my expertise but I'd suggest you watch this video:

 

 

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Okay, I'll contribute my two cents, I'm gonna assume you're going for the 1st build.

  • I'd just go with the cheapest X570 board you can find, with overclocking you're going to get very little from the 3900X, so I personally think it should just be run stock. VRM quality is a nice to have, but really isn't essential in any way. I would personally avoid Gigabyte boards, but that's a personal preference.
  • I'd go for a 280mm AIO rather than a 360mm. While the 360mm AIO would have a minor edge in cooling performance, a 280mm still has plenty of capacity for a 105w chip running stock. More importantly, a 280mm would be a lot more quiet than a 360, since you'd have one less fan, and you won't have to spin it as fast. The best AIO on the market right now is the Arctic Liquid freezer II, but you might not be able to find one.
  • The m.2 version of the WD Blue SSDs is a pretty mediocre NVME SSD, since it's a DRAM-less SSD. I would do a bit more research and find a faster NVME SSD, you probably won't have to pay that much more, if at all, for a NVME drive with DRAM.
  • If you need to free up a bit of budget, you can always switch your SATA SSD for a Chinese one. Those Chinese SSDs are more than enough for storing games and other files on slightly faster storage, and they're quite cheap. I've had quite a few over the years, and they're pretty reliable. Since you're going to be putting your OS on the NVME drive, this might not be a poor idea.
  • Remember that you can get gray-market Windows 10 Pro keys on eBay for around $5.

 

REMILIA Mk.IIIG CPU: Ryzen 7 5700X3D, Cooler: Gelid Sirocco (Arctic MX6), RAM: 4x 8Gb sticks of Patriot Viper Steel Series 3600 CL17, Mobo: AsRock X570 Taichi, GPU: Inno3D RTX 3080 iChill x4 10G, Storage: 1TB Intel 670p NVME SSD boot drive, a few 1TB and 512gb SATA/NVME SSDs for game storage, 6 hard drives:2-12 TB, PSU: Montech Century II 850W, Case: Silverstone FLP02, PCIE Cards: Cheap Chinese Marvell 88SE9215 4 port SATA card, Sonnet Allegro USB3.2 Card Monitors: ViewSonic Elite XG270QC (165hz, 1ms MPRT, 1440p, VA, Freesync PP, pneumatic stand), electriq 27qhd180i (IPS, 180hz, 1440p, 1Ms), iiyama G2530HSU-B (75Hz, Freesync, one in landscape, one in Portrait, all on pneumatic monitor stands).

 

Mic: iSK UPM-1 USB XLR interface with Neewer NW700, Audio: Sabaj A3 160W DAC/AMP + Wharfdale Diamond 220 + Mission MS6 Sub, Fiio K11 R2R DAC + Douk P5 (Toshiba Tubes), Sendy Peacock, Mouse: Glorious Model I, Keyboard: Glorious GMMK ISO with Mengmoda MMD Tactile (main) and Kailh Box Navy (Function keys), Tribosys 3203 brush lubed, Taihao Green forest caps.

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