Things just got complicated

[OnionRings]

4 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Well it's 200mhz difference. Probably cut latency by 5-10ns running 3600 vs 3200, but noticeable in certain tasks more so than others. Gaming, you may see a 2fps average difference maybe. That would be within a margin of error.

 

If you where chasing benchmarking numbers, that's where you may see the performance gains the most.

 

But anything is better than 2133mhz in the end lol..... XD

For reals. I play fortnite save the world and with it at 2133 I wasn't even going over 100 fps. Massive stutters to 70s too. 

 

Alright no seriously let me go XMP my ram and take this screenies lmao.

[OnionRings]

https://prnt.sc/sa9ak6

https://prnt.sc/sa9awt 

There was 2 under read, not sure if that was my 2 different sticks or not so I just screenshot both.

@ShrimpBrime

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Yea, that's each stick. 

 

18-22-22-22-42-64 - 1800mhz. 

Samsung B-die mid/low quality bin... is ok.

 

The reason b-die is good is because it really does scale well with volt increase, you'd have no fears up to 1.45v.

 

So your goal would ultimately tweak down to 16-16-16-16-42-64 timings manually. You can set up docp profile, and adjust frequency to 3200 and set up the memory timings. You will see some nice performance gains, probably better than the XMP rated profile I think. 

 

But start looser. At 3200, change on the 22's to 20's, IE: 18-20-20-20, post and test. Then do all 18's. 

I think 1.410v would be an ok voltage to start really tweaking at. 

[OnionRings]

28 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Yea, that's each stick. 

 

18-22-22-22-42-64 - 1800mhz. 

Samsung B-die mid/low quality bin... is ok.

 

The reason b-die is good is because it really does scale well with volt increase, you'd have no fears up to 1.45v.

 

So your goal would ultimately tweak down to 16-16-16-16-42-64 timings manually. You can set up docp profile, and adjust frequency to 3200 and set up the memory timings. You will see some nice performance gains, probably better than the XMP rated profile I think. 

 

But start looser. At 3200, change on the 22's to 20's, IE: 18-20-20-20, post and test. Then do all 18's. 

I think 1.410v would be an ok voltage to start really tweaking at. 

And here is where onion boi gets scared and confused. Lots of numbers! So.. timings is under advanced DRAM config yes? Sub timings right? So um... turn off XMP... 3200, 1.45v, 18-20-20-20?

 

Oh yea and whats a docp profile?

[OnionRings]

@ShrimpBrimeOh yea I figured I should add, the reason I know like nothing about ram is well because my previous rig was a locked intel i7 with base 2133 ram that I couldnt OC due to a poop H110 motherboard.

[OnionRings]

@ShrimpBrime Is this right? At 1.41v xmp off?

Edit: posted with these settings, guess ill try gaming now.

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There you go. Getting the hang of it. 

How's the testing going? 

[OnionRings]

27 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

There you go. Getting the hang of it. 

How's the testing going? 

No crashes so far with those settings at 3200.

 

Edit: Might not do it tonight, but whats my next goal? 3600 with these settings? Then 3600 with 18s?

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1 minute ago, OnionRings said:

No crashes so far with those settings at 3200.

Good deal. tweak test, wash rinse repeat.

[OnionRings]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Good deal. tweak test, wash rinse repeat.

Whats my next step?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, OnionRings said:

Whats my next step?

20's to 18's. Looks like CL18-18-18-18 next.

 

After that the bigger squeeze 16-18-18-18...... 

[OnionRings]

2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

20's to 18's. Looks like CL18-18-18-18 next.

 

After that the bigger squeeze 16-18-18-18...... 

Alright ill do that tomorrow. I might leave the ram at 3600 though cus I saw in one of linus videos I think it was, that slower clocked ram with modified timings can actually outperform higher clocked ram without timings.

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Just now, OnionRings said:

Alright ill do that tomorrow. I might leave the ram at 3600 though cus I saw in one of linus videos I think it was, that slower clocked ram with modified timings can actually outperform higher clocked ram without timings.

Either way. At least you have a better grip on the situation and can change some settings with confidence. 

 

 

[OnionRings]

10 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Either way. At least you have a better grip on the situation and can change some settings with confidence. 

 

 

For sure. All the help was greatly appreciated. Quick question though, can unstable ram cause video lurching? I just woke up decided to pop on some live PD and I noticed the video would freeze a second, then like LURCH forward. I haven't touched it outside of what we did last night, but I only tested games, not media.

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14 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

For sure. All the help was greatly appreciated. Quick question though, can unstable ram cause video lurching? I just woke up decided to pop on some live PD and I noticed the video would freeze a second, then like LURCH forward. I haven't touched it outside of what we did last night, but I only tested games, not media.

Not sure on video play back but would have an issue with the entire system. Could just be the player being goofy.

 

 

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Not sure on video play back but would have an issue with the entire system. Could just be the player being goofy.

 

 

Yea that's what I'm thinking now, it went away. I'm about to try to lower the timings again. Or maybe ill try to run 3600 first.

[OnionRings]

@ShrimpBrimeWell, I went for the big shot and did 1.45v 3600 and 18s and it didnt quite like that. Im stuck in that like pre post cycle where my GPU fan goes super sayan right before the post comes up. How do fix?

[OnionRings]

5 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

@ShrimpBrimeWell, I went for the big shot and did 1.45v 3600 and 18s and it didnt quite like that. Im stuck in that like pre post cycle where my GPU fan goes super sayan right before the post comes up. How do fix?

Im guessing I need to clear my CMOS correct?

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8 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

Im guessing I need to clear my CMOS correct?

Yep. 

So it likes the 18-20-20-20 the best. Work with that then

[OnionRings]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Yep. 

So it likes the 18-20-20-20 the best. Work with that then

Ok so 18-20-20-20-42-64 at 3600 1.45v lets see if this works.

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, OnionRings said:

Ok so 18-20-20-20-42-64 at 3600 1.45v lets see if this works.

No go, BSOD on llgin screen. I might be stuck with 3200.

[OnionRings]

1 minute ago, OnionRings said:

No go, BSOD on llgin screen. I might be stuck with 3200.

I'm in at 3200, 1.45v, 18-20-20-20-42-64. I didn't try 18s at 3200 but honestly I don't think I will, clearing the cmos was annoying lol. I mean these tweaks should still be impressive right? Where can I benchmark it and compare it to other people with their kits? @ShrimpBrime

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23 minutes ago, OnionRings said:

I'm in at 3200, 1.45v, 18-20-20-20-42-64. I didn't try 18s at 3200 but honestly I don't think I will, clearing the cmos was annoying lol. I mean these tweaks should still be impressive right? Where can I benchmark it and compare it to other people with their kits? @ShrimpBrime

Well HWBot has a pretty big database. Not sure if any like systems match yours, but a variety of benchmarks to compare with.

 

When you look at the main page of any hardware, at the top, you can select the cooling type to slim the comparisons.