New Coding/Gaming pc

[urochurro]

Hey there,

This is my first ever pc build.

1. My budget is INR 50,000-60,000 (which is around 700-800 USD) in Mumbai, India. 

2. My aim is to do coding and machine learning with a little bit of gaming on the side. Games like PUBG, Call Of Duty, Far Cry, GTA 5, F1 and Forza Horizon.

3. I am planning on using only one 1080p monitor.

4. I need to purchase all the peripherals such as keyboard, mouse and headphones as well as windows.

 

The budget must include all the peripherals as well as the monitor and the machine itself. 
I would love to show off the PC so, if the case has a window and bit of rgb then it would be perfect!

[wall03]

Welcome to the forum!

 

I recommend this thread for help with keyboards, and my signature has links to motherboard and psu guides (the build guide is outdated). Thermaltake's H18 is $55 and is great for the price. You would want a 2060 Super and Ryzen 5 3600.

[Bombastinator]

The most difficult bit here is India as it has a different procurement system and PcPartPicker doesn’t work there.  I can’t compare pricing or availability at all.  It’s going to require someone from India to do that.  I can only discuss generalities, and even that, for me at least is kind of limited.

 

Programming requires almost no compute hardware at all.  People program on raspberry pis.  The keyboard gets kinda important though.  Competitive mmo Fps games like you describe like high refresh rates and fast single core, so a high refresh monitor but not a large one and color correctness isn’t important.  So fast monitor, the keyboard you personally like (and that can vary a lot). The blank space for me is machine learning.  I don’t know what kind of hardware is needed for that and it could be gpu or cpu related.  If it is not gpu related not a whole lot of gpu will be needed.  Just enough to drive a 1080p monitor at 144hz.

[urochurro]

17 minutes ago, wall03 said:

Welcome to the forum!

 

I recommend this thread for help with keyboards, and my signature has links to motherboard and psu guides (the build guide is outdated). Thermaltake's H18 is $55 and is great for the price. You would want a 2060 Super and Ryzen 5 3600.

Hey, thanks for you’re reply. 
I love the thermaltake case you suggested, it’s perfect!

And as for the cpu, is ryzen better than intel?

[wall03]

1 minute ago, urochurro said:

Hey, thanks for you’re reply. 
I love the thermaltake case you suggested, it’s perfect!

And as for the cpu, is ryzen better than intel?

Yup. Price/performance wise and also power consumption for the performance. AMD is better then Intel for mid-tier gamers. You're welcome! :)

[Bombastinator]

6 minutes ago, urochurro said:

Hey, thanks for you’re reply. 
I love the thermaltake case you suggested, it’s perfect!

And as for the cpu, is ryzen better than intel?

At almost all performance levels yes.  They tend to have more cores as well.  I don’t know what the requirements of machine learning are, but if it’s many threads ryzen will run away with it.

[urochurro]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The most difficult bit here is India as it has a different procurement system and PcPartPicker doesn’t work there.  I can’t compare pricing or availability at all.  It’s going to require someone from India to do that.  I can only discuss generalities, and even that, for me at least is kind of limited.

 

Programming requires almost no compute hardware at all.  People program on raspberry pis.  The keyboard gets kinda important though.  Competitive mmo Fps games like you describe like high refresh rates and fast single core, so a high refresh monitor but not a large one and color correctness isn’t important.  So fast monitor, the keyboard you personally like (and that can vary a lot). The blank space for me is machine learning.  I don’t know what kind of hardware is needed for that and it could be gpu or cpu related.  If it is not gpu related not a whole lot of gpu will be needed.  Just enough to drive a 1080p monitor at 144hz.

Yes, I’ve had problems on the locations before but if you could potentially help me with a pcpartpickerlist I could compare it with the prices here as some places have similar pricing to the USA.

 

okay so as for the gaming part I’m not quite sure what components would suffice the games I mentioned and so I would love some help there as if the pc is powerful enough to run those games at medium to high, it would be enough for the machine learning as that depends on the cpu as well as the gpu.

 

And for the keyboard I think I already found one that’s pretty good for the price -https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LSGKEC4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&linkId=cce59a82e0fa0180434f09c0d1d51be0&language=en_US&tag=linus21-20

[Fatih19]

36 minutes ago, wall03 said:

Welcome to the forum!

 

I recommend this thread for help with keyboards, and my signature has links to motherboard and psu guides (the build guide is outdated). Thermaltake's H18 is $55 and is great for the price. You would want a 2060 Super and Ryzen 5 3600.

Yes this is a very gooad case for the price. Has mesh front which allow for ample airflow. .

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, urochurro said:

Yes, I’ve had problems on the locations before but if you could potentially help me with a pcpartpickerlist I could compare it with the prices here as some places have similar pricing to the USA.

 

okay so as for the gaming part I’m not quite sure what components would suffice the games I mentioned and so I would love some help there as if the pc is powerful enough to run those games at medium to high, it would be enough for the machine learning as that depends on the cpu as well as the gpu.

 

And for the keyboard I think I already found one that’s pretty good for the price -https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LSGKEC4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&linkId=cce59a82e0fa0180434f09c0d1d51be0&language=en_US&tag=linus21-20

Sadly I can’t really even do that because of my lack of knowledge about machine learning.  I don’t know if there are specialized GPU systems that would help for one.  CUDA cores could be important, in which case something like an Nvidia 1660 or an evga 2060ko might make a lot of sense.  The problem is if they aren’t they don’t.   You don’t really need all that much gpu to do your gaming.  The keyboard is going to be very specific to you.  There are a lot of different kinds of keyboards and key types and layouts.  The monitor is best defined: something 144hz, 1080p and cheap.  So something TN.  I’m projecting $100 or less for that, but there are a lot of monitors out these days and I’m not super familiar.   I’m afraid I personally am not a ton of use.  
 

hopefully someone will come along that is.

[urochurro]

14 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

At almost all performance levels yes.  They tend to have more cores as well.  I don’t know what the requirements of machine learning are, but if it’s many threads ryzen will run away with it.

 

19 minutes ago, wall03 said:

Yup. Price/performance wise and also power consumption for the performance. AMD is better then Intel for mid-tier gamers. You're welcome!

Okay thanks guys really helpful

[urochurro]

45 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Sadly I can’t really even do that because of my lack of knowledge about machine learning.  I don’t know if there are specialized GPU systems that would help for one.  CUDA cores could be important, in which case something like an Nvidia 1660 or an evga 2060ko might make a lot of sense.  The problem is if they aren’t they don’t.   You don’t really need all that much gpu to do your gaming.  The keyboard is going to be very specific to you.  There are a lot of different kinds of keyboards and key types and layouts.  The monitor is best defined: something 144hz, 1080p and cheap.  So something TN.  I’m projecting $100 or less for that, but there are a lot of monitors out these days and I’m not super familiar.   I’m afraid I personally am not a ton of use.  
 

hopefully someone will come along that is.

so if i was to just depend on the gaming setup and the machine learning was secondary what would your suggestions be for the cpu motherboard and gpu etc 

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, urochurro said:

so if i was to just depend on the gaming setup and the machine learning was secondary what would your suggestions be for the cpu motherboard and gpu etc 

For just gaming a 6/12 cpu is considered something of a modern minimum.  4/8 and 6/6 are about on par with each other and work now but may not work later.  Which one is the bang/buck leader seems to vary.  There’s the 1600af, the 2600, and the 3600.  All are ryzen.  The issue is their prices vary a lot.  The 3600 is the fastest and the 1600af is the slowest.  The 1600af was leading the bang/buck challenge for a while because it could be had for under $100. It seems to have gone up a lot though so may no longer be worth it.  There are a few CPUs available in India that are not available in the US but they tend to lack multithreading which makes them questionable value. 
 

might have to drop the 144hz requirement as the monitors are appearing in the $200 range rather than the $100 range.  
 

had to move to a 75hz monitor which knocked down a bunch of requirements and still didn’t leave a lot of cash.  This machine is CPU heavy,  but I’m not seeing a good way out of that one atm.  It could later receive a more powerful GPU and monitor and possibly PSU to balance it out.  The lack of monitor power means not all that much gpu is needed for gaming though.

 

even with this theough I DID NOT ADD A KEYBOARD/mouse as that stuff is human interface and very subject to personal preference.  You might hate what I pick.

 

What I did find, was there wasn’t much savings to be had with a weaker cpu.  The 2600 was actually MORE expensive than the 3600.  Which was weird.  This is why put-of-nationality  choices like this aren’t very useful.  Prices change by area and they have a major effect on what is worth getting.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($172.76 @ Walmart) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($73.99 @ Best Buy) 
Storage: TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($96.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 4 GB GAMING Video Card  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($40.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($62.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus VP228QG 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor  ($116.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $684.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-30 11:57 EDT-0400

[igormp]

8 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($172.76 @ Walmart) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($73.99 @ Best Buy) 
Storage: TCSunBow X3 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($96.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 4 GB GAMING Video Card  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($40.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($62.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus VP228QG 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor  ($116.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $684.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-30 11:57 EDT-0400

Since he wants to do ML, AMD is a no go, sadly. He is forced to go with a nvidia card.

[Bombastinator]

2 hours ago, igormp said:

Since he wants to do ML, AMD is a no go, sadly. He is forced to go with a nvidia card.

That’s the thing.  I got zero idea of what is needed for ML.  I said so several times.  As such I didn’t want to make a list like that.  He told me to ignore the ML aspect.  So it seems you have some idea of what is needed for ML unlike myself.  This is what is needed:  which is more important core count of thread speed? And if GPUs can accelerate ML, what is needed for them to do it?

[igormp]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

That’s the thing.  I got zero idea of what is needed for ML.  I said so several times.  As such I didn’t want to make a list like that.  He told me to ignore the ML aspect.  So it seems you have some idea of what is needed for ML unlike myself.  This is what is needed:  which is more important core count of thread speed? And if GPUs can accelerate ML, what is needed for them to do it?

The things that depend on GPU will pretty much scale like they do in a game. For some specific tasks VRAM may be more important that raw power, but that's a non issue on regular GeForce cards since you can't go past 11gb (and even so cost tons of money). I'm not sure which nvidia card would fit in this budget, since the 1660 is more expensive than the 570, and I don't think the 1650S is really worth the money for games. Maybe an used 1060 or even a 1070?

 

As for the CPU, it really depends on what are you trying to do. Since he hasn't specified anything and seems to be starting into the whole ML thing, CPU performance isn't that important (I go by with a FX6300 lol). RAM is important, but I doubt he'll need more than 16gb anyway.

 

tldr; the build you did is nice, and switching the 570 for any nvidia card would be enough for ML and also his games.

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, igormp said:

The things that depend on GPU will pretty much scale like they do in a game. For some specific tasks VRAM may be more important that raw power, but that's a non issue on regular GeForce cards since you can't go past 11gb (and even so cost tons of money). I'm not sure which nvidia card would fit in this budget, since the 1660 is more expensive than the 570, and I don't think the 1650S is really worth the money for games. Maybe an used 1060 or even a 1070?

 

As for the CPU, it really depends on what are you trying to do. Since he hasn't specified anything and seems to be starting into the whole ML thing, CPU performance isn't that important (I go by with a FX6300 lol). RAM is important, but I doubt he'll need more than 16gb anyway.

 

tldr; the build you did is nice, and switching the 570 for any nvidia card would be enough for ML and also his games.

So what part of Nvidia makes Nvidia work better? If it’s CUDA cores specifically then scrimping everything to squeeze out an evga 2060ko might be the way.  It’s got the same number of cuda cores as a 1080 and 8 gig of memory.  If video memory is the be all end all there are low end cards with extra memory designed to run large video banks that might be the way to go.  There are 8gig 1050s for example.  No CUDA at all but if CUDA isn’t helpful why pay for it?

[igormp]

31 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

So what part of Nvidia makes Nvidia work better? If it’s CUDA cores specifically then scrimping everything to squeeze out an evga 2060ko might be the way.  It’s got the same number of cuda cores as a 1080 and 8 gig of memory.  If video memory is the be all end all there are low end cards with extra memory designed to run large video banks that might be the way to go.  There are 8gig 1050s for example.  No CUDA at all but if CUDA isn’t helpful why pay for it?

Doesn't the 2060 ko only have 6gb of vram? Anyway, CUDA cores is really important, but you need enough VRAM to fit your models. RTX cards have the added bonus of having Tensor Cores which greatly improve performance.

 

I'm also curious about that 8gb 1050, I've never seen one lol. Could you give me more info on it?

 

Anyway, the OP seems to be just starting in ML and has a tight budget, so I really wouldn't recommend anything over a 1660 Super.

[Bombastinator]

10 minutes ago, igormp said:

Doesn't the 2060 ko only have 6gb of vram? Anyway, CUDA cores is really important, but you need enough VRAM to fit your models. RTX cards have the added bonus of having Tensor Cores which greatly improve performance.

 

I'm also curious about that 8gb 1050, I've never seen one lol. Could you give me more info on it?

 

Anyway, the OP seems to be just starting in ML and has a tight budget, so I really wouldn't recommend anything over a 1660 Super.

2060 might very well be 6gb only.  I heard talk of an 8gb but it may have been a mod.  Doubled and tripled memory video cards do happen.  They aren’t super popular because they’re very niche.  Generally they’re very low end cards but have a bunch of video out on them.  A slow card with a lot of memory often isn’t good for much.  Like I said, video wall people mostly.  They don’t generally do them for gaming cards because it’s about pushing large amounts of slow video.  Tensor cores?  I was under the impression there was basically no earthly use for tensor cores.  They were nvidia’s albatross.  If this is the case a 2060ko sounds like the best card the OP even might be able to get into. It’s got cuda and tensor.  A 1070 would have more ram but fewer cuda and no tensor.  Used hardware isn’t available in every country though.

 

A ryzen1 1200 or something else cheap and 4 core to find the cash for the evga KO card.

[igormp]

54 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

A ryzen1 1200 or something else cheap and 4 core to find the cash for the evga KO card.

That would be a nice setup if he only wanted to do ML. But since he aims to game first and foremost, I guess that a 1600/3600 coupled with a mid-tier GPU would be more balanced.

 

55 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

 Tensor cores?  I was under the impression there was basically no earthly use for tensor cores.  They were nvidia’s albatross.

They are awesome for ML, as long as you can work with mixed precision. Basically gives you twice de performance and allows you to fit more data into your vram since you're using FP16 data instead of FP32.

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, igormp said:

That would be a nice setup if he only wanted to do ML. But since he aims to game first and foremost, I guess that a 1600/3600 coupled with a mid-tier GPU would be more balanced.

 

They are awesome for ML, as long as you can work with mixed precision. Basically gives you twice de performance and allows you to fit more data into your vram since you're using FP16 data instead of FP32.

So rtx is actually good for something at least... other than having Nvidia use fakery to add sound isolation that actually loads the rest of the machine even though they claimed it doesn’t.

[urochurro]

6 hours ago, igormp said:

The things that depend on GPU will pretty much scale like they do in a game. For some specific tasks VRAM may be more important that raw power, but that's a non issue on regular GeForce cards since you can't go past 11gb (and even so cost tons of money). I'm not sure which nvidia card would fit in this budget, since the 1660 is more expensive than the 570, and I don't think the 1650S is really worth the money for games. Maybe an used 1060 or even a 1070?

 

As for the CPU, it really depends on what are you trying to do. Since he hasn't specified anything and seems to be starting into the whole ML thing, CPU performance isn't that important (I go by with a FX6300 lol). RAM is important, but I doubt he'll need more than 16gb anyway.

 

tldr; the build you did is nice, and switching the 570 for any nvidia card would be enough for ML and also his games.

After reading this entire forum and a lot more, yes i am a beginner but doing a little research made me come to the same conclusion of doing this build with an nvidia card because of its tensor cores etc. 

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, urochurro said:

After reading this entire forum and a lot more, yes i am a beginner but doing a little research made me come to the same conclusion of doing this build with an nvidia card because of its tensor cores etc. 

Not all Nvidia cards have tensor cores and the ones that do tend to be expensive.