To last a decade

[codefined]

Hey,

 

My current desktop is now a decade old, so thinking about upgrading.  Looking for another desktop that can hopefully last me another decade.  Intending to spend about £2,500 (~$3,104), but already have a graphics card which will make the price cheaper.  On this system I do a bunch of machine learning, programming, gaming and streaming.  Ideally I need a CPU with a lot of cores to do parallel work, but also be able to run single-threaded games.  I'm currently intending to run three monitors off of this computer, but already have those, as well as other peripherals.

 

At the moment my build is:

 

- (CPU) AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (£698.99 / $868)

- (Motherboard) Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard (£407.99 / $506.68)

- (RAM) Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB 3600MHz 2x16GB DDR4 (£172.99 / $214.83)

- (SSD) Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe (£209.63 / $260.33)

- (Graphics Card) Nvidia GTX 1080 TI (Existing)

- (Case) Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition (3x 140mm fans) (£146.99 / $182.54)

- (Watercooling) For CPU & GPU, waterblocks, 360mm radiator, fittings, tubing, pump, etc. (£600 / $745)

- (Power Supply) 850W Corsair RMx, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold (£129.98 / $161.41)

 

TOTAL: £2,352 / $2,920

 

Last time I built a computer was over a decade ago, so I feel a little out of practice.  Am I spending too much / too little on any parts here?  I'm a little worried about how cheap the power supply is compared with the one I bought a decade ago,  but not sure whether technology has just come a long way int hat time.

[You_found_dom]

11 minutes ago, codefined said:

Hey,

 

My current desktop is now a decade old, so thinking about upgrading.  Looking for another desktop that can hopefully last me another decade.  Intending to spend about £2,500 (~$3,104), but already have a graphics card which will make the price cheaper.  On this system I do a bunch of machine learning, programming, gaming and streaming.  Ideally I need a CPU with a lot of cores to do parallel work, but also be able to run single-threaded games.  I'm currently intending to run three monitors off of this computer, but already have those, as well as other peripherals.

 

At the moment my build is:

 

- (CPU) AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (£698.99 / $868)

- (Motherboard) Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard (£407.99 / $506.68)

- (RAM) Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB 3600MHz 2x16GB DDR4 (£172.99 / $214.83)

- (SSD) Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe (£209.63 / $260.33)

- (Graphics Card) Nvidia GTX 1080 TI (Existing)

- (Case) Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition (3x 140mm fans) (£146.99 / $182.54)

- (Watercooling) For CPU & GPU, waterblocks, 360mm radiator, fittings, tubing, pump, etc. (£600 / $745)

- (Power Supply) 850W Corsair RMx, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold (£129.98 / $161.41)

 

TOTAL: £2,352 / $2,920

 

Last time I built a computer was over a decade ago, so I feel a little out of practice.  Am I spending too much / too little on any parts here?  I'm a little worried about how cheap the power supply is compared with the one I bought a decade ago,  but not sure whether technology has just come a long way int hat time.

It looks good to me, Samsung ssds are expensive , though

[codefined]

Just now, YT_DomDaBomb20 said:

It looks good to me, Samsung ssds are expensive 

£200 for 1TB is killing me, but I hear bad things about other companies.  Would you have a better suggestion?

[732]

12 minutes ago, codefined said:

Hey,

 

My current desktop is now a decade old, so thinking about upgrading.  Looking for another desktop that can hopefully last me another decade.  Intending to spend about £2,500 (~$3,104), but already have a graphics card which will make the price cheaper.  On this system I do a bunch of machine learning, programming, gaming and streaming.  Ideally I need a CPU with a lot of cores to do parallel work, but also be able to run single-threaded games.  I'm currently intending to run three monitors off of this computer, but already have those, as well as other peripherals.

 

At the moment my build is:

 

- (CPU) AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (£698.99 / $868)

- (Motherboard) Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard (£407.99 / $506.68)

- (RAM) Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB 3600MHz 2x16GB DDR4 (£172.99 / $214.83)

- (SSD) Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe (£209.63 / $260.33)

- (Graphics Card) Nvidia GTX 1080 TI (Existing)

- (Case) Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition (3x 140mm fans) (£146.99 / $182.54)

- (Watercooling) For CPU & GPU, waterblocks, 360mm radiator, fittings, tubing, pump, etc. (£600 / $745)

- (Power Supply) 850W Corsair RMx, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold (£129.98 / $161.41)

 

TOTAL: £2,352 / $2,920

 

Last time I built a computer was over a decade ago, so I feel a little out of practice.  Am I spending too much / too little on any parts here?  I'm a little worried about how cheap the power supply is compared with the one I bought a decade ago,  but not sure whether technology has just come a long way int hat time.

The PSU is good! It's one of the best brands out there.

What CAS latency is the RAM?

[Entropy.]

15 minutes ago, codefined said:

Hey,

 

My current desktop is now a decade old, so thinking about upgrading.  Looking for another desktop that can hopefully last me another decade.  Intending to spend about £2,500 (~$3,104), but already have a graphics card which will make the price cheaper.  On this system I do a bunch of machine learning, programming, gaming and streaming.  Ideally I need a CPU with a lot of cores to do parallel work, but also be able to run single-threaded games.  I'm currently intending to run three monitors off of this computer, but already have those, as well as other peripherals.

 

At the moment my build is:

 

- (CPU) AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (£698.99 / $868)

- (Motherboard) Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard (£407.99 / $506.68)

- (RAM) Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB 3600MHz 2x16GB DDR4 (£172.99 / $214.83)

- (SSD) Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe (£209.63 / $260.33)

- (Graphics Card) Nvidia GTX 1080 TI (Existing)

- (Case) Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition (3x 140mm fans) (£146.99 / $182.54)

- (Watercooling) For CPU & GPU, waterblocks, 360mm radiator, fittings, tubing, pump, etc. (£600 / $745)

- (Power Supply) 850W Corsair RMx, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold (£129.98 / $161.41)

 

TOTAL: £2,352 / $2,920

 

Last time I built a computer was over a decade ago, so I feel a little out of practice.  Am I spending too much / too little on any parts here?  I'm a little worried about how cheap the power supply is compared with the one I bought a decade ago,  but not sure whether technology has just come a long way int hat time.

The Power supply is totally fine. Don't get a 970 evo thats just... sad. Get a sabrent rocket PCIE gen 4 at 2 tb to last you a decade. The AORUS master seems overpriced try the MSI MEG ace (which is about $300 usd around here), for the RAM I'd recommend Trident Z neo 4x8 gb, at 3600mhz cl 16, I would also recommend another 360mm rad, seeing as this IS a 1080ti/3950x build. For the case I'd reccoment the lian Li pc-o11 dynamic, as it's just so versatile, accommodating for water cooling, and sexy. If you get the pc o11 dynamic you could get a front panel reservoir/pump combo from ekwb that gives you more space and a sexy front panel that is just... amazing loll. I have a build similar to this but jacked up in every way. Like 2080ti ect. and I can tell you it's just amazing 

[You_found_dom]

Just now, codefined said:

£200 for 1TB is killing me, but I hear bad things about other companies.  Would you have a better suggestion?

Sabrent rocket, crucial, and wd are fine

[codefined]

1 minute ago, 732 said:

The PSU is good! It's one of the best brands out there.

What CAS latency is the RAM?

The CAS latency on the RAM is 18, a little high, but still ~4x better than my existing device.  At 3600MHz, 18 CAS gives me a latency of 10ns.  Someone else recommend G.Skill instead, which I'm looking into now as an alternative.

[Entropy.]

4 minutes ago, codefined said:

The CAS latency on the RAM is 18, a little high, but still ~4x better than my existing device.  At 3600MHz, 18 CAS gives me a latency of 10ns.  Someone else recommend G.Skill instead, which I'm looking into now as an alternative.

Seems fine, but CAS 16 is still recommended. No matter what try quad channel ram though, it gives a performance boost and looks really really nice. Also this is a approximation of what your build would look like done, if you went hard tubing:

 

[Dravinian]

I did a part picker, as it is easier to look at.

 

Unless there is a specific reason, not sure why 32gb of RAM anyway? I think 16gb is sufficient for gaming, I know you mention machine learning so perhaps that requires more?

 

I agree that the MB is overkill and unnecessary, there are alternatives at better prices, not knocking the board, just saying it is a lot.

 

£600 on plumbing is a lot but obviously you have chosen that path.

 

The only surprise is that you are spending a LOT of money and running a 1080 ti.

 

While it isn't a bad card, and is still up there, better than AMDs offerings, if you posted saying you were buying a 2080, which the 1080 ti is equivalent to, I would be shaving money off your build trying to get you to the 2080 ti within your budget.

 

It is a lot of money, but frankly, change the motherboard, control the NVMe drive a little, be realistic about the power supply and reconsider your life choices in regards to waterloops and you could easily buy one without spending a penny more.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor	£679.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard	£363.64 @ SmartTeck.co.uk
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	£178.47 @ Scan.co.uk
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£200.98 @ Laptops Direct
Case	Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case	£146.49 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£129.98 @ Box Limited
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1699.55
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 21:40 BST+0100

 

[732]

5 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Seems fine, but CAS 16 is still recommended. No matter what try quad channel ram though, it gives a performance boost and looks really really nice. Also this is a approximation of what your build would look like done, if you went hard tubing:

 

Yeah, quad channel Trident Z looks sexy as fuck.

[Entropy.]

3 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

I did a part picker, as it is easier to look at.

 

Unless there is a specific reason, not sure why 32gb of RAM anyway? I think 16gb is sufficient for gaming, I know you mention machine learning so perhaps that requires more?

 

I agree that the MB is overkill and unnecessary, there are alternatives at better prices, not knocking the board, just saying it is a lot.

 

£600 on plumbing is a lot but obviously you have chosen that path.

 

The only surprise is that you are spending a LOT of money and running a 1080 ti.

 

While it isn't a bad card, and is still up there, better than AMDs offerings, if you posted saying you were buying a 2080, which the 1080 ti is equivalent to, I would be shaving money off your build trying to get you to the 2080 ti within your budget.

 

It is a lot of money, but frankly, change the motherboard, control the NVMe drive a little, be realistic about the power supply and reconsider your life choices in regards to waterloops and you could easily buy one without spending a penny more.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor	£679.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard	£363.64 @ SmartTeck.co.uk
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	£178.47 @ Scan.co.uk
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£200.98 @ Laptops Direct
Case	Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case	£146.49 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£129.98 @ Box Limited
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1699.55
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 21:40 BST+0100

 

He... already...has...a...1080ti …. 

[732]

1 minute ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

He... already...has...a...1080ti …. 

Ik, and us here be having GT 610s

[codefined]

8 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

While it isn't a bad card, and is still up there, better than AMDs offerings, if you posted saying you were buying a 2080, which the 1080 ti is equivalent to, I would be shaving money off your build trying to get you to the 2080 ti within your budget.

The 1080ti was a present and I would not feel comfortable upgrading it at this time.  It's the only part of this build which is fixed, plus it's free which I love

8 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

I know you mention machine learning so perhaps that requires more?

Yeah, it uses a lot of RAM.  I was debating increasing it to 64GB as it requires a crazy amount. 

 

2 minutes ago, 732 said:

Ik, and us here be having GT 610s

Ah, I have to use my computer 8 hours a day for work and 2 hours a day for fun.  It gets a lot of use.  A lot of training models already take ~12 - 18 hours a day on my graphics card.  Luckily, this does mean that work is funding a lot of this project (otherwise hell if I could afford it).

[codefined]

5 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

PCPartPicker Part List

That PCPartPicker list is super useful!  Thanks a lot for creating it

[732]

1 minute ago, codefined said:

 

Yeah, it uses a lot of RAM.  I was debating increasing it to 64GB as it requires a crazy amount. 

 

Considering 10 years ago computers had 1-2gb of ram, and now we have 16gb in budget pcs, imagine 10 years from now...

moores law exists though...

 

 

 

Also imagine watercooling the ram

[Dravinian]

5 minutes ago, codefined said:

The 1080ti was a present and I would not feel comfortable upgrading it at this time.  It's the only part of this build which is fixed, plus it's free which I love

Yeah, it uses a lot of RAM.  I was debating increasing it to 64GB as it requires a crazy amount. 

 

Ah, I have to use my computer 8 hours a day for work and 2 hours a day for fun.  It gets a lot of use.  A lot of training models already take ~12 - 18 hours a day on my graphics card.  Luckily, this does mean that work is funding a lot of this project (otherwise hell if I could afford it).

Well considering you are buying almost an entire machine, if you updated to the 2080 ti would it not assist your work - I thought that machine learning was something the RTX did?

 

You could keep both machines.

I did the same, have an old machine, sentimental it was a present, don't want to get rid of it, but bought a new one because i needed the upgrade and keeping the older one for driving games on the big TV, which are nice to sit on the sofa and play, and as a kinda media centre for movies/tv shows on the TV rather than trying to stream to it.

 

Just a thought you are about an inch away from 2 machines anyway.

[codefined]

1 minute ago, 732 said:

Considering 10 years ago computers had 1-2gb of ram, and now we have 16gb in budget pcs, imagine 10 years from now...

I currently have 16GB of DDR3-1600, running at a whopping 200MHz.  The fact that I can increase the clock frequency by 18x in a year is incredible to me.

[Bartholomew]

16 minutes ago, Brok3n But who cares? said:

Seems fine, but CAS 16 is still recommended. No matter what try quad channel ram though, it gives a performance boost and looks really really nice. 

Do you mean 4 sticks? Cause i might be wrong but ryzen is max dual channel afaik.

 

Whether or not 4 sticks would be beneficial would depend on the mobos mem topology (T versus daisy) if it prefers 2 or 4 sticks for best oc results.

[732]

1 minute ago, codefined said:

I currently have 16GB of DDR3-1600, running at a whopping 200MHz.  The fact that I can increase the clock frequency by 18x in a year is incredible to me.

4200mhz+ exists now, so that would be 21x

[Dravinian]

4 minutes ago, codefined said:

That PCPartPicker list is super useful!  Thanks a lot for creating it

No worries, also, PP is not the best for prices in the UK either.  I shopped around and got better deals on I would say about 30% of the components.  Some it is good on, some it is not so worth looking around.

[codefined]

1 minute ago, Dravinian said:

Well considering you are buying almost an entire machine, if you updated to the 2080 ti would it not assist your work - I thought that machine learning was something the RTX did?

That's plausible. Work are willing to fund 80% of the price or £2,000, whichever is lower.  I picked £2,500 as an aim because that allows me to spend only ~£500.  Any extra would have to come out of my pocket which quickly adds up to terrifying numbers.  It might be reasonable to lower some other specs to try to squeeze in a 2080ti though.

[codefined]

Just now, 732 said:

4200mhz+ exists now, so that would be 21x

I literally can't wait to see how much faster this desktop is.  I really feel my graphics card, whilst excellent, is being limited by every other component in my computer.  My current CPU is a 1st generation Intel Nehalem.  They've had 10 generations come out since then!

[Dravinian]

4 minutes ago, codefined said:

That's plausible. Work are willing to fund 80% of the price or £2,000, whichever is lower.  I picked £2,500 as an aim because that allows me to spend only ~£500.  Any extra would have to come out of my pocket which quickly adds up to terrifying numbers.  It might be reasonable to lower some other specs to try to squeeze in a 2080ti though.

If you did, LTT did a video on a program called Parsec, it allows you to use the power of one PC to execute programs on the weaker machine essentially.

 

Linus was editing 4k footage on an ultrabook...that is not something an ultrabook can do.

 

So your second 1080 ti machine, could play games in the highest ultra resolutions on your TV/monitor by utilising the power of the 2080 ti/Ryzen 9 machine, far beyond what it is actually capable of doing alone.

 

It is something I was going to try out, but had a bit of a setback with a water loop lol so just waiting to see if I can salvage the machine at all.

[codefined]

11 minutes ago, 732 said:

moores law exists though...

I'm worried that because Dennard's Scaling has broken down, that Moore's law might follow as well.  Admittedly I had this concern in 2010 (four years after Dennard Scaling broke down) and it still hasn't broken down.

[732]

1 minute ago, codefined said:

I'm worried that because Dennard's Scaling has broken down, that Moore's law might follow as well.  Admittedly I had this concern in 2010 (four years after Dennard Scaling broke down) and it still hasn't broken down.

It says that it'll break down around 2030, which is a decade until now.

Your PC will last a decade, so...