Intel to APU

[Osmium]

Okay so I might be downgrading to an APU soon. My question is how much of a real world performance hit would I get in games like Counter Strike  GO(which is somewhat CPU intensive) or other games. Don't even factor GPU performance into the equation at all I just want to know if the CPU will give me a significant frame hit.

[needmorewood]

well what are u "downgrading" from? resolution, current frame output. etc

[nsyedhasan]

If you have a GPU it may bottle neck. What are the specs you have currently?

[simtransporter]

We would need to know what your current CPU is and which APU you are "downgrading" to. Just saying "intel" and "APU" is a bit too vague.

[Osmium]

Sorry. An i5-3350P OCed slightly above stock.

 

Downgrading to a AMD A10 7700K or 7850K.

[Osmium]

Help would be appreciated. This is really important to me right now.

[Jack.EXE]

do you have a GPU?

[wpirobotbuilder]

I'll depend on the software you use. Once games start supporting HSA the newer APUs will crush that i5.

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/116214-how-amds-latest-kaveri-apus-perform-with-hsa-incredible/

[dushypoo]

I'd say none.

[Apach3]

by AMD's definition, any Intel CPU with integrated graphics is an APU, so to say you're "downgrading" from Intel to an APU, by definition, is a bit misleading. however, i understand the confusion, because no one refers to Intel parts as APUs.

 

as others have been saying, we need to know if you have a dedicated graphics card, and if you do have one what brand and model series it is. if you have any Nvidia GPU of equivalent or lesser performance than a GT640, it really wouldn't be worth it to "downgrade" to an AMD part. even if you do have an AMD-branded GPU, if it isn't an R7-series GPU your options are limited. as of late to the best of my knowledge, AMD has stated that only the R7 240 and R7 250 are officially supported with AMD's Dual Graphics mode. however, that's not to say they'll enable more support, particularly for the R7 260X and the new R7 250X and 260.

[LimpCurve]

Help would be appreciated. This is really important to me right now.

If you have no separate GPU, you will experience a significant increase in frame rate. With your current i5 you are seeing quite a bit of GPU bottleneck. Some people say that there is no such thing as GPU bottleneck and they are wrong. The thing is that bottlenecking from the GPU is so common some people don't even think of it that way. Just think of it like this, you have two number lines going from -5 all the way to 5. The first line represents CPU power and the second GPU power, you want them both tied at whichever number you choose 5 being the best, -5 being the worst. On the APU the CPU number line is about 0 which is considered normal for todays standards and the GPU is let's say a 2. This means while there is a tiny bit of CPU bottleneck, not even close to enough to make a significant difference in gaming performance. Now, your Intel CPU on the number line is let's say a .5, it's not even much more powerful than the APU itself while it's onboard graphics are about a -2 which is making for a lot of CPU bottleneck. In other words, you want a better gaming experience and about the same CPU performance, get the APU.

 

CPU Comparison:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3350P+%40+3.10GHz

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-7850K+APU+with+Radeon+R7+Graphics

 

Edit: Also, AMD's APU's support this thing called HSA which allows the 4 CPU cores and 8 GPU cores to work as a 12 core CPU. This only works in applications that support it though. If you have a job that involves multithreaded tasks like photoshop and rendering this APU would help a lot. If you don't though, you should still get it.

[LimpCurve]

I'll depend on the software you use. Once games start supporting HSA the newer APUs will crush that i5.

 

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/116214-how-amds-latest-kaveri-apus-perform-with-hsa-incredible/

I didn't think games can support HSA cause doesn't that only work if the GPU cores aren't working on seperate tasks? I still have quite a bit to learn about Kaveri so I could be wrong.

[harrynowl]

Okay so I might be downgrading to an APU soon. My question is how much of a real world performance hit would I get in games like Counter Strike  GO(which is somewhat CPU intensive) or other games. Don't even factor GPU performance into the equation at all I just want to know if the CPU will give me a significant frame hit.

For Counterstrike a Kaveri APU like the 7850K or 7600/7700k will be fine. I can play CSS on a HD4000 fine.

 

Although like said, more info is needed.

[Osmium]

do you have a GPU?

 

Yeah, you can find it in the classifieds section...

 

 

by AMD's definition, any Intel CPU with integrated graphics is an APU, so to say you're "downgrading" from Intel to an APU, by definition, is a bit misleading. however, i understand the confusion, because no one refers to Intel parts as APUs.

 

as others have been saying, we need to know if you have a dedicated graphics card, and if you do have one what brand and model series it is. if you have any Nvidia GPU of equivalent or lesser performance than a GT640, it really wouldn't be worth it to "downgrade" to an AMD part. even if you do have an AMD-branded GPU, if it isn't an R7-series GPU your options are limited. as of late to the best of my knowledge, AMD has stated that only the R7 240 and R7 250 are officially supported with AMD's Dual Graphics mode. however, that's not to say they'll enable more support, particularly for the R7 260X and the new R7 250X and 260.

 

Well the thing is my intel CPU has no intergrated graphics so no GPU = no functioning computer.  So even by AMD's defintion I am still rocking a CPU

 

If you have no separate GPU, you will experience a significant increase in frame rate. With your current i5 you are seeing quite a bit of GPU bottleneck. Some people say that there is no such thing as GPU bottleneck and they are wrong. The thing is that bottlenecking from the GPU is so common some people don't even think of it that way. Just think of it like this, you have two number lines going from -5 all the way to 5. The first line represents CPU power and the second GPU power, you want them both tied at whichever number you choose 5 being the best, -5 being the worst. On the APU the CPU number line is about 0 which is considered normal for todays standards and the GPU is let's say a 2. This means while there is a tiny bit of CPU bottleneck, not even close to enough to make a significant difference in gaming performance. Now, your Intel CPU on the number line is let's say a .5, it's not even much more powerful than the APU itself while it's onboard graphics are about a -2 which is making for a lot of CPU bottleneck. In other words, you want a better gaming experience and about the same CPU performance, get the APU.

 

CPU Comparison:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3350P+%40+3.10GHz

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-7850K+APU+with+Radeon+R7+Graphics

 

Edit: Also, AMD's APU's support this thing called HSA which allows the 4 CPU cores and 8 GPU cores to work as a 12 core CPU. This only works in applications that support it though. If you have a job that involves multithreaded tasks like photoshop and rendering this APU would help a lot. If you don't though, you should still get it.

 

Look I am talking raw CPU power. Also my GTX 660ti I think is doing just fine. BUt thanks for linking those benchmarks. It seems I might not be that worse off with that 7850k

 

For Counterstrike a Kaveri APU like the 7850K or 7600/7700k will be fine. I can play CSS on a HD4000 fine.

 

Although like said, more info is needed.

Alright that actually was the type of answer I was looking for.

 

To all thanks for the help but I am asking for a pretty broad answer for my very broad question. Compaired to any 3rd gen i5 which perform in about the same league especially when clocked to similar speeds. So will my framerates in games drop a whole lot? The 4 CPU cores of Kaveri APUs have nothing on Intel's in single threaded performance so will I suffer a frame hit in games. All I am asking for is an estimate. I am sorry if I sound angry because I am but not at you all and right now I can't help that.

[LimpCurve]

Yeah, you can find it in the classifieds section...

 

 

 

Well the thing is my intel CPU has no intergrated graphics so no GPU = no functioning computer.  So even by AMD's defintion I am still rocking a CPU

 

 

Look I am talking raw CPU power. Also my GTX 660ti I think is doing just fine. BUt thanks for linking those benchmarks. It seems I might not be that worse off with that 7850k

 

Alright that actually was the type of answer I was looking for.

 

To all thanks for the help but I am asking for a pretty broad answer for my very broad question. Compaired to any 3rd gen i5 which perform in about the same league especially when clocked to similar speeds. So will my framerates in games drop a whole lot? The 4 CPU cores of Kaveri APUs have nothing on Intel's in single threaded performance so will I suffer a frame hit in games. All I am asking for is an estimate. I am sorry if I sound angry because I am but not at you all and right now I can't help that.

Simply put, "So will I suffer a frame hit in games?" Yes but only by a frame or two. It is worth it.

[EpicGeekonFire]

wait you are going from Intel to AMD APU? 

[LimpCurve]

wait you are going from Intel to AMD APU? 

He's going from an Intel i5 3350p to an AMD APU, yes.

[ohJey]

Your CPU has no GPU, so right now your performance in those games is 0 fps.

Even if it had HD4000 or HD4600 grpahics, the CPU would still be bottlenecked by the crappy integrated graphics.

Yes the CPU power is worse, but you will have a better all around system on the APU

[EpicGeekonFire]

He's going from an Intel i5 3350p to an AMD APU, yes.

WOW

[NewHopeTech]

Sorry. An i5-3350P OCed slightly above stock.

 

Downgrading to a AMD A10 7700K or 7850K.

...That's not really a "downgrade"