how is this build?(v2)

[ketchupspill]

second possible build i could do. ive read the notes at the bottom and im ok with all of it, are there any problems?

 

main questions:

 

better CPU Coolers?

 

better aesthetics without sacrificing performance?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor	$307.00 @ shopRBC
CPU Cooler	AMD Wraith Max 55.78 CFM CPU Cooler	$48.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$258.50 @ Vuugo
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$146.99 @ Amazon Canada
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$89.99 @ Canada Computers
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$80.00 @ shopRBC
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$699.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA GD (2019) 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$119.99 @ Newegg Canada
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$149.50 @ Vuugo
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$579.99 @ Best Buy Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2609.45
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-22 22:43 EDT-0400

thx this is CAD btw

[RadiatingLight]

Good build. I'd get a cheaper board like MSI B450-A Pro Max, and you don't really need that CPU cooler. (if you really want a CPU cooler, Wraith Max isn't the one to buy for $50)

You also don't need to buy windows for full price. OEM keys are available from gray-market sites like kinguin for a fraction of the price.

 

I just took your build and put in a cheaper motherboard paired with a 3700X (which already comes with the Wraith prism, so no need to buy aftermarket)

 

I upgraded the SSD to 1TB and got faster RAM too

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$429.00 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.75 @ Vuugo
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$80.00 @ shopRBC
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$699.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA GD (2019) 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$119.99 @ Newegg Canada
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$149.50 @ Vuugo
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$579.99 @ Best Buy Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2612.20
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-22 22:56 EDT-0400

 

[ketchupspill]

2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Good build. I'd get a cheaper board like MSI B450-A Pro Max, and you don't really need that CPU cooler. (if you really want a CPU cooler, Wraith Max isn't the one to buy for $50)

You also don't need to buy windows for full price. OEM keys are available from gray-market sites like kinguin for a fraction of the price.

 

I just took your build and put in a cheaper motherboard paired with a 3700X (which already comes with the Wraith prism, so no need to buy aftermarket)

 

I upgraded the SSD to 1TB and got faster RAM too

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$429.00 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.75 @ Vuugo
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$80.00 @ shopRBC
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$699.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA GD (2019) 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$119.99 @ Newegg Canada
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$149.50 @ Vuugo
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$579.99 @ Best Buy Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2612.20
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-22 22:56 EDT-0400

 

thanks! but what do you mean i dont need CPU cooler? wont it crash becasue of super high temps?

 

also if i use the 450 it usually says i need a bios upgrade, should i worry abt that?

 

thanks!

[Jurrunio]

CPU: 3600 is $20 cheaper, for essentially the same thing.

 

CPU cooler: Unless you must have RGB LEDs, coolers like the Arctic Freezer 33 and Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black offer more performance for cheaper. 212 Black RGB costs more ($2) but has RGB LEDs.

 

Board: unless you plan on getting greater core counts of CPUs on this platform, MSI B450 ATX boards are plenty and they save you $100.

 

Memory: RGB sticks cost a hefty premium as you might already be aware (especially when you stick to specific brands), but in this case 3600MHz is cheaper than 3200MHz which makes the 3200MHz kit you chose awful

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/6jBTwP/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzrx

 

PSU: non modular PSU, [profanity] that

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kz7CmG/evga-power-supply-210gq0650

[ketchupspill]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

CPU: 3600 is $20 cheaper, for essentially the same thing.

 

CPU cooler: Unless you must have RGB LEDs, coolers like the Arctic Freezer 33 and Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black offer more performance for cheaper. 212 Black RGB costs more ($2) but has RGB LEDs.

 

Board: unless you plan on getting greater core counts of CPUs on this platform, MSI B450 ATX boards are plenty and they save you $100.

 

Memory: RGB sticks cost a hefty premium as you might already be aware (especially when you stick to specific brands), but in this case 3600MHz is cheaper than 3200MHz which makes the 3200MHz kit you chose awful

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/6jBTwP/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzrx

 

PSU: non modular PSU, [profanity] that

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kz7CmG/evga-power-supply-210gq0650

ok!

 

but one big thing, usually on the site it says 

 

• Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

 

so how much should i worry about that?

[RadiatingLight]

3 minutes ago, ketchupspill said:

thanks! but what do you mean i dont need CPU cooler? wont it crash becasue of super high temps?

 

also if i use the 450 it usually says i need a bios upgrade, should i worry abt that?

 

thanks!

The 3700X comes with the Wraith Prism (basically Wraith Max with RGB lights) already included in the box, so no need to buy a second cooler.

 

most B450 boards do need a BIOS update before using Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, but MSI's "MAX" Series of boards is specifically tailored to people who want cheaper boards on Ryzen 3000 and is guaranteed to come with a compatible BIOS out of the box.

[ketchupspill]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

The 3700X comes with the Wraith Prism (basically Wraith Max with RGB lights) already included in the box, so no need to buy a second cooler.

 

most B450 boards do need a BIOS update before using Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, but MSI's "MAX" Series of boards is specifically tailored to people who want cheaper boards on Ryzen 3000 and is guaranteed to come with a compatible BIOS out of the box.

alright, so if i use a msi max 450 with a 3k series no bios update needed?

 

the only reason i was ging wth 570 was due to the bios hassle, so this is great!

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, ketchupspill said:

ok!

 

but one big thing, usually on the site it says 

 

• Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

 

so how much should i worry about that?

None. MSI B450 Max boards are preflashed for 3rd gen and ATX boards all have BIOS flashing capability without CPU, so if it doesnt work you could flash the BIOS yourself without needing another CPU (tho it needs another computer to get the USB with BIOS file ready)

[RadiatingLight]

3 minutes ago, ketchupspill said:

alright, so if i use a msi max 450 with a 3k series no bios update needed?

 

the only reason i was ging wth 570 was due to the bios hassle, so this is great!

Yep! No hassle.

[ketchupspill]

@Jurrunio @RadiatingLight

 

so ive taken both your suggestions into consideration and i came up with this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$429.00 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Memory Express
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$156.50 @ Vuugo
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$80.00 @ shopRBC
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$699.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$149.50 @ Vuugo
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$579.99 @ Best Buy Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2698.95
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2678.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-22 23:17 EDT-0400

 

i switched the CPU for the 3700x for the Wraith cooler, got the 450, but changed it to one with onboard Wifi because i dont knwo where and how to get wifi cards and not sure if i have a ethernet connection. i kept the memory,  storage, gpu, case, and monitor. changed the PSU to the 650 watt like jurrunio said, and ill get a OEM windows key somewhere for cheap.

 

so this is good? does this 450 already have the compatible bios as well?

 

 

 

[RadiatingLight]

1 hour ago, ketchupspill said:

@Jurrunio @RadiatingLight

 

so ive taken both your suggestions into consideration and i came up with this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$429.00 @ Canada Computers
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Memory Express
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$156.50 @ Vuugo
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$80.00 @ shopRBC
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$699.00 @ Canada Computers
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Power Supply	EVGA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$129.99 @ Canada Computers
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	$149.50 @ Vuugo
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$579.99 @ Best Buy Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2698.95
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2678.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-22 23:17 EDT-0400

 

i switched the CPU for the 3700x for the Wraith cooler, got the 450, but changed it to one with onboard Wifi because i dont knwo where and how to get wifi cards and not sure if i have a ethernet connection. i kept the memory,  storage, gpu, case, and monitor. changed the PSU to the 650 watt like jurrunio said, and ill get a OEM windows key somewhere for cheap.

 

so this is good? does this 450 already have the compatible bios as well?

 

 

 

Yes, good build.

Since the motherboard isn't a "MAX" board (it doesn't have MAX in the name) it isn't guaranteed to have the correct BIOS but I'd say that there's still a 90% chance that it does have it. If not, AMD will send you a loaner CPU to flash the BIOS, but that's a lengthy process.

 

If you want to buy a dedicated wifi card, this is a cheap one: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/y8BTwP/rosewill-rnx-ac600pcev3-none-wi-fi-adapter-rnx-ac600pcev3

and this is a higher quality one but more expensive by a bit: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/m9WBD3/rosewill-rnx-ac1900pcev2-pcie-x1-wi-fi-adapter-rnx-ac1900pcev2

[ketchupspill]

10 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Yes, good build.

Since the motherboard isn't a "MAX" board (it doesn't have MAX in the name) it isn't guaranteed to have the correct BIOS but I'd say that there's still a 90% chance that it does have it. If not, AMD will send you a loaner CPU to flash the BIOS, but that's a lengthy process.

 

If you want to buy a dedicated wifi card, this is a cheap one: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/y8BTwP/rosewill-rnx-ac600pcev3-none-wi-fi-adapter-rnx-ac600pcev3

and this is a higher quality one but more expensive by a bit: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/m9WBD3/rosewill-rnx-ac1900pcev2-pcie-x1-wi-fi-adapter-rnx-ac1900pcev2

welp,  i looked it up on MSI's official site and it says this

 

Supports 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen AMD^® Ryzen™/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics / 2nd Gen AMD^® Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Graphics and Athlon™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics Desktop Processors for Socket AM4

 

so it should be fine? if it is that great cuz it also has a wifi card so 2 in one

[Guest]

2 hours ago, ketchupspill said:

welp,  i looked it up on MSI's official site and it says this

 

Supports 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen AMD^® Ryzen™/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics / 2nd Gen AMD^® Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Graphics and Athlon™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics Desktop Processors for Socket AM4

 

so it should be fine? if it is that great cuz it also has a wifi card so 2 in one

The B450 Gaming Pro Carbon has bios flashback so you can update it without a cpu if it doesn't ship with a working bios. 

 

And of course you don't need to buy a wifi adapter as it has it built in.

 

There is actually a 'MAX' version listed on MSI website, but not sure it is available yet.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-MAX-WIFI

 

 

A 5700XT would save you some more money. The MSI RX 5700XT Gaming X for example.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jbK2FT/msi-radeon-rx-5700-xt-8-gb-gaming-x-video-card-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gaming-x

 

I would also get the Corsair TXM over the EVGA GQ. 

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PVzZxr/corsair-txm-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na

[ketchupspill]

13 hours ago, lee32uk said:

The B450 Gaming Pro Carbon has bios flashback so you can update it without a cpu if it doesn't ship with a working bios. 

 

And of course you don't need to buy a wifi adapter as it has it built in.

 

There is actually a 'MAX' version listed on MSI website, but not sure it is available yet.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-MAX-WIFI

 

 

A 5700XT would save you some more money. The MSI RX 5700XT Gaming X for example.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jbK2FT/msi-radeon-rx-5700-xt-8-gb-gaming-x-video-card-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gaming-x

 

I would also get the Corsair TXM over the EVGA GQ. 

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PVzZxr/corsair-txm-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na

okay thanks! 

 

i changed my PSU to that, and im going to start another thread to make sure theres no problems.