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Budget build Vega vs 5700?

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Hey guys I just want a logic check here to see if I'm missing anything important in my understanding.

 

So im desperately wanting to upgrade from the 970 in my main PC which has aged uh terribly. I'd love to get an rx5700 but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to upgrade my CPU at the same time so I don't wanna blow all my budget on that. Here in Aus I can get the rx5700 for $500 but yesterday I saw an ad for a 2nd hand good condition Vega 56 flashed with a 64 bios for $350 and it's the cooler type I want. After looking at the benchmark results I'm starting to think I should just get the 56 because otherwise I'd be paying like nearly an extra 50% for an extra 10-15fps which really doesn't seem that good especially when I'm so budget limited. I know for a fact that the 56 with the 64 bios overclocked brings in a firestrike score that's only about 200 points behind the 5700 which I think is pretty impressive.

The reason I'm budget oriented is I have to change platform and Ive already got an AM4 board I can use so I want to get an R5 1600AF for it while I can because they're super cheap at the moment aswell as another 8gb of DDR4 so if I go for the 56 im gonna be able to upgrade my whole system for more or less the same amount as the 5700 alone would cost me. If I didn't have to upgrade my platform I would just go 5700 but AMD GPU's not liking x58 sort of kills my currnet main system which sucks because it has no trouble keeping up (W3680 @4ghz) but atleast I've already got an AM4 board and half the ram I need so I figure I should jump at the opportunity while the r5 1600af is available cheap because it's basically a 2600.

Does my logic sound right here?

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Vega 56 is pretty demanding on the PSU side, what specific model do you have?

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W3680 doesnt support AVX so you may be bottlenecked by that

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well personally I would never buy computer components used because not many stores sell them used which have a physical location you can go back to if it fails for some reason most used parts don't so its always buyer beware when you do. this is just my opinion. so I would go with the 5700 if AMD wasn't having issues with their drivers right now.

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5 minutes ago, tdkid said:

well personally I would never buy computer components used because not many stores sell them used which have a physical location you can go back to if it fails for some reason most used parts don't so its always buyer beware when you do. this is just my opinion. so I would go with the 5700 if AMD wasn't having issues with their drivers right now.

I always buy used so no.

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13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

W3680 doesnt support AVX so you may be bottlenecked by that

I'm not gonna use the W3680 anymore did you read the bit where I wanna go AM4? haha but no AVX really hasn't affected me at all yet in any of the game so play.

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22 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Vega 56 is pretty demanding on the PSU side, what specific model do you have?

I'm already plenty fine PSU wise I'm not an idiot Ive been building computers long enough to know how important a good PSU is haha

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2 minutes ago, nootnoot1277 said:

I always buy used so no.

well like I said, its just what I would do. if you always buy used then you didn't need to create a post asking us for our opinion since it seemed like you had already made your decision on it. but going for the cheaper option does allow you to maybe also get something else you want so yes your logic sounds good.

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Just now, tdkid said:

well like I said, its just what I would do. if you always buy used then you didn't need to create a post asking us for our opinion since it seemed like you had already made your decision on it. but going for the cheaper option does allow you to maybe also get something else you want so yes your logic sounds good.

No... I created a post to ask if there was anything I was missing performance wise in my logic regarding the difference between the two I didn't ask for people's opinions on buying used.

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oh ok. I misread it. I don't personally know if there is any performance difference. I do know linus posted a video in which he compared the best card of 2019 that you might want to watch if it interest you.

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11 minutes ago, tdkid said:

oh ok. I misread it. I don't personally know if there is any performance difference. I do know linus posted a video in which he compared the best card of 2019 that you might want to watch if it interest you.

Yeah problem is I don't think he covered a Vega 56 with the bios mod which this one has because it gives them a hell of a peformance boost and overclocking boost

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well I know linus made a video some time last year or whenever about him and I guess Anthony or whoever (cant remember) in which they tricked a GPU to think it wasn't getting any power to break the power limit on it.

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Buy the vega. and upgrade your cpu and thing like that

 

You get much more performance with vega and the ryzen 5 1600 AF than just upgradin to rx 5700

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1 hour ago, SavageNeo said:

Buy the vega. and upgrade your cpu and thing like that

 

You get much more performance with vega and the ryzen 5 1600 AF than just upgradin to rx 5700

That was my thought process as well although I may wait and see because I just found a guy selling an rx5700XT for $450 AUD which is $50 cheaper than a new NON XT model and that would set me up for years since I run a card for ever (as you can tell by me still running a 970)

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