should i upgrade my CPU

[KalistoGalaxy]

i found out my z370 motherboard is compatible with 9th gen CPUs so should i stick with my 8700k or should i upgrade to a 9700k or is my 8700k good enough as it is currently?

[Uptivuptiz]

6 minutes ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

i found out my z370 motherboard is compatible with 9th gen CPUs so should i stick with my 8700k or should i upgrade to a 9700k or is my 8700k good enough as it is currently?

It depends on what other specs is in the system and what the system is inteded for. For gaming and paired with something like a 2070, 5700 XT or lower it should be just fine. If you want to stream it might be a little weak if you're not using NVENC.

[KalistoGalaxy]

Just now, Uptivuptiz said:

It depends on what other specs is in the system and what the system is inteded for. For gaming and paired with something like a 2070, 5700 XT or lower it should be just fine. If you want to stream it might be a little weak if you're not using NVENC.

i have a GTX 1660 ti

[Jurrunio]

Not even minor architectural gains on the CPU from 8th to 9th gen (or frankly, since 4th gen) so this is a stupid idea. 9700k may have 8 cores, but it doesnt have hyperthreading so real world performance is still very similar. The use of solder under the heat spreader does help with thermals but still, the only upgrade even worth considering in the first place are the 9900k and unlocked variants.

 

Whether your actually need the i9 or if board is up to the task are other questions I need to ask.

[Uptivuptiz]

Just now, KalistoGalaxy said:

i have a GTX 1660 ti

Then you don't need to upgrade  

[Jurrunio]

Just now, KalistoGalaxy said:

i have a GTX 1660 ti

Pffftt, Wait till you get a 2080Ti before worrying about lack of CPU power.

[Mister Woof]

Considering a 5ghz 8700k still beats most Ryzen chips at most gaming still, no.

[Mister Woof]

15 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

It depends on what other specs is in the system and what the system is inteded for. For gaming and paired with something like a 2070, 5700 XT or lower it should be just fine. If you want to stream it might be a little weak if you're not using NVENC.

Even with a 2080ti a 5ghz 8700k usually beats or matches a 3950x. Or at least not meaningfully behind.

 

So, a 2070 or 5700xt is no sweat.

[KalistoGalaxy]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

Even with a 2080ti a 5ghz 8700k usually beats or matches a 3950x. Or at least not meaningfully behind.

 

So, a 2070 or 5700xt is no sweat.

i dont think an RTX gpu is for me cause i learned RTX on = FPS off

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

i dont think an RTX gpu is for me cause i learned RTX on = FPS off

Well, be that as it may, just trying to point out the 8700k still has a lot left in the tank im terms of gaming.

 

I personally have a 5700xt with my 8700k and it's great.

[LIGISTX]

4 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Considering a 5ghz 8700k still beats most Ryzen chips at most gaming still, no.

This...

 

When I got my 8700k I had the option to get a 9700 for ~50 bucks more, and I went 8700k simply because its literally "just as good" and saved me some money. Not to mention 8700k's OC pretty well, do 4.8GHz all core turbo should be no problem at all! And at 4.8GHz, your plenty fast for anything, especially a 1660 ti. With the money you would upgrade the CPU with, upgrade the GPU instead. This is of course only for gaming.

 

If you actually need more CPU power, a 9900k would be your best bet. But.... you would need to convince us of a use case where you actually need that (rendering, serious 3d modeling, etc etc).

[LIGISTX]

1 minute ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

i dont think an RTX gpu is for me cause i learned RTX on = FPS off

While that is a bit true, a 2070 super for instance will still get fantastic FPS with ray tracing on low settings, and it does add a lot of visual fidelity. Or, you can turn RTX off and still get an insane amount of FPS. I run 3440x1440 and can run low RTX in most games and still get 80+ FPS which is perfectly fine. Thats why GSYNC exists....

 

Remember, there is more to it than just raw FPS... Proper high refresh monitor, GSYNC (or freesync), and throw some RTX at it just to look good, and you would be fine!

 

In any case, an 8700k is plenty of power for all of these options.

[KalistoGalaxy]

1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

This...

 

When I got my 8700k I had the option to get a 9700 for ~50 bucks more, and I went 8700k simply because its literally "just as good" and saved me some money. Not to mention 8700k's OC pretty well, do 4.8GHz all core turbo should be no problem at all! And at 4.8GHz, your plenty fast for anything, especially a 1660 ti. With the money you would upgrade the CPU with, upgrade the GPU instead. This is of course only for gaming.

 

If you actually need more CPU power, a 9900k would be your best bet. But.... you would need to convince us of a use case where you actually need that (rendering, serious 3d modeling, etc etc).

well before i got my 8700k i saw an i5 CPU was like 100 less or something so i decided just to get a 8th gen i7

[LIGISTX]

Just now, KalistoGalaxy said:

well before i got my 8700k i saw an i5 CPU was like 100 less or something so i decided just to get a 8th gen i7

You made a great choice. That CPU is fantastic. I am just saying don't worry about the CPU. No reason to spend money there. You are a few chips away from the best gaming chip on the market....

 

If you want FPS gains, you need a better GPU. 

[KalistoGalaxy]

Just now, LIGISTX said:

You made a great choice. That CPU is fantastic. I am just saying don't worry about the CPU. No reason to spend money there. You are a few chips away from the best gaming chip on the market....

 

If you want FPS gains, you need a better GPU. 

before i got my 1660 ti i had a 1050 non ti GPU 2gb

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

well before i got my 8700k i saw an i5 CPU was like 100 less or something so i decided just to get a 8th gen i7

I got my 8700k in 2017 for $359 and it was worth every penny.

 

27 months going and no reason to upgrade in sight. It's been overclocked since day one, and delidded and overclocked to 5ghz for about 20 months with no degredation indicated.

 

Maybe Intel 11th gen or Ryzen 5th generation.

[KalistoGalaxy]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

I got my 8700k in 2017 for $359 and it was worth every penny.

 

27 months going and no reason to upgrade in sight. It's been overclocked since day one, and delidded and overclocked to 5ghz for about 20 months with no degredation indicated.

 

Maybe Intel 11th gen or Ryzen 5th generation.

ive been running stock since i had it would like to try to overclock it but unless i tried overclocking on something that wasent my only CPU i never tried doing either of those it runs just fine it could run better if i tried those but i dont want to unless i had a spare to try it on first

[KalistoGalaxy]

just curious would it be a good idea to upgrade my motherboard bios would i see an improvement on performance if i did that?

[Mister Woof]

Just now, KalistoGalaxy said:

just curious would it be a good idea to upgrade my motherboard bios would i see an improvement on performance if i did that?

Probably lose performance from security microcode updates.

 

But maybe worthwhile for that purpose anyway

[KalistoGalaxy]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

Probably lose performance from security microcode updates.

 

But maybe worthwhile for that purpose anyway

so is there a safe way to do all you said to get better CPU performance?

[Constantin]

47 minutes ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

i found out my z370 motherboard is compatible with 9th gen CPUs so should i stick with my 8700k or should i upgrade to a 9700k or is my 8700k good enough as it is currently?

8700k is almost the same with 9700k, really no need to upgrade.

[Vejnemojnen]

8700(k) aged well, I would not even bother considering an update. Perfectly fine. Later you might change the whole platform, but it is irrelevant now. I guess 10th gen 10400 will be very similar to 8700 btw.. : ) nut much of a change in manufacturing

[Mister Woof]

29 minutes ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

so is there a safe way to do all you said to get better CPU performance?

 

You can overclock it for sure, but bios updates will reduce performance a tiny bit. You don't have to do it, but it might be worth it for the security.

[KalistoGalaxy]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

 

You can overclock it for sure, but bios updates will reduce performance a tiny bit. You don't have to do it, but it might be worth it for the security.

tiny means 5 less mhz right?

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, KalistoGalaxy said:

tiny means 5 less mhz right?

MHz stays same, performance goes down because the mitigations reduce effectiveness of certain technologies like speculative execution