opinion

[ralphandmike]

which is better cpu bottlenecking or gpu bottlenecking or if a balance is possible little to none?  I have been wondering this for a while. I mean most systems have some type of it going on.

[Godlygamer23]

You ideally would want no bottleneck, but that will always exist, otherwise you would have infinite performance. Getting as close to a balanced system is the best. With that said, sometimes you can stretch your budget over time for certain components if you don't quite make enough to get everything at once, and that's certainly okay to do. But bottlenecking is also dependent on the application/game.

[ralphandmike]

1 minute ago, Godlygamer23 said:

You ideally would want no bottleneck, but that will always exist, otherwise you would have infinite performance. Getting as close to a balanced system is the best. With that said, sometimes you can stretch your budget over time for certain components if you don't quite make enough to get everything at once, and that's certainly okay to do. But bottlenecking is also dependent on the application/game.

I could be wrong but I thought it was more so due to the hardware limitations. that's what I was thinking anyways.

[Godlygamer23]

5 minutes ago, ralphandmike said:

I could be wrong but I thought it was more so due to the hardware limitations. that's what I was thinking anyways.

It is, but the bottleneck can shift. If you play Skyrim, you become more CPU bound if you use a vanilla version. If you start adding graphical modifications or increase the graphical load like resolution or anti-aliasing, you become more GPU bound. If you run programs that mostly utilize the CPU, having a faster graphics card will do nothing. 

[Bartholomew]

17 minutes ago, ralphandmike said:

which is better cpu bottlenecking or gpu bottlenecking or if a balance is possible little to none?  I have been wondering this for a while.

Bottleneck says little without context; and thats more than just gpu vs cpu, also resolution and monitor freq/target framerate.

 

Same Cpu/gpu combo can (just a example)

Cpu bottleneck on 1080p

Balanced at 1440p

Gpu bottleneck at 4k

Gpu bottleneck at 1440p 144hz

 

Add to that different titles/workloads and "it varies".

8 minutes ago, ralphandmike said:

I could be wrong but I thought it was more so due to the hardware limitations. that's what I was thinking anyways

Partly, yes,; but some games simple require more threads (or the opposite: require 1 fast thread); same with shader (gpu) code / driver use; some games are optimized better than others or preffer amd over nvidia, or vice versa.

 

Unless your hugely of the mark (going for dual or quadcore with a 2080ti, or i9 with some 6yo 2gb card for 4k) it usually isnt a "problem" unless the mix of above mentioned component is on the other end of the spectrum of "preffered" for exactly the titles/workloads you do most.

[ralphandmike]

1 minute ago, Godlygamer23 said:

It is, but the bottleneck can shift. If you play Skyrim, you become more CPU bound if you use a vanilla version. If you start adding graphical modifications or increase the graphical load like resolution or anti-aliasing, you become more GPU bound. If you run programs that mostly utilize the CPU, having a faster graphics card will do nothing. 

hmm I think I see what you mean.i have heard opinions its better to be more gpu than cpu bound. however I am wondering exactly if that is so due to ryzen 3000 and navi since big navi may be coming this year and due to ryzen 4000 also coming around October or December since both use 7nm plus and what kinds of performance gains we could see and all. the likelihood of lessening a bottleneck could be less daunting or more depending on how those products work and since I am using b450 seris boards it may make a difference though not sure on how much 

[Godlygamer23]

6 minutes ago, ralphandmike said:

hmm I think I see what you mean.i have heard opinions its better to be more gpu than cpu bound. however I am wondering exactly if that is so due to ryzen 3000 and navi since big navi may be coming this year and due to ryzen 4000 also coming around October or December since both use 7nm plus and what kinds of performance gains we could see and all. the likelihood of lessening a bottleneck could be less daunting or more depending on how those products work and since I am using b450 seris boards it may make a difference though not sure on how much 

I can't give a solid answer there because it depends on the use case scenario and budget in regards to what you would want to be limited by.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I can't give a solid answer there because it depends on the use case scenario and budget in regards to what you would want to be limited by.

What do you think about this bottleneck calculator. 

Given the specs I input, says I have a 3% bottle neck (which is ultra low) and my GPU and CPU work great together.

 

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/

[ralphandmike]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

I can't give a solid answer there because it depends on the use case scenario and budget in regards to what you would want to be limited by.

true but as of now I have a b450 mortar max and a ryzen 3950x. I am planning 64 gigs of ddr4 3200 and a 5700xt when I can afford one. more likely a powercolor or gigabyte one or maybe the msi model. it depends on what works for me better as my build will be more a workstation than a gaming for that I already have something done except for getting a navi card. I am currently using the rx580 in the gaming rig.  ryzen 3800x ddr 2666 64 gigs ssd aio. 

[ralphandmike]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

What do you think about this bottleneck calculator. 

Given the specs I input, says I have a 3% bottle neck (which is ultra low) and my GPU and CPU work great together.

 

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/

I don't know how accurate that calc is ive used it for different future setups and it give 100 percent on some of them as it keeps slanting to 2080ti cards but I think its a possible nvidia slant for them. I don't know what do you guys think

 

 

[Godlygamer23]

6 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

What do you think about this bottleneck calculator. 

Given the specs I input, says I have a 3% bottle neck (which is ultra low) and my GPU and CPU work great together.

 

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/

I just used it, and it doesn't seem to be bad, but even based on what I was saying before, they have a disclaimer:

*This result is based on average CPU and GPU usage from different programs and games. It changes based on operating system, background processes activity and targeted applications. This result is not universal and changes based on differences in hardware and software enviroments. Please do not use this calculator primary as decision maker than as helping tool to understand performance correlations between different components.

I'd have to do a full evaluation of it though to see how accurate it really is.

[Godlygamer23]

5 minutes ago, ralphandmike said:

I don't know how accurate that calc is ive used it for different future setups and it give 100 percent on some of them as it keeps slanting to 2080ti cards but I think its a possible nvidia slant for them. I don't know what do you guys think

I don't really use calculators. I just evaluate the loads my builds will be under and what I intend the function to be, and what I'm trying to achieve. Actually, that calculator is the last one I've used in literally years(excluding mathematical calculators ).

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I just used it, and it doesn't seem to be bad, but even based on what I was saying before, they have a disclaimer:

 

 

I'd have to do a full evaluation of it though to see how accurate it really is.

Well I input 8700K at 110% OC, 16GB memory and 2x RTX 2060s all of which I am running. 

Haven't found anything that would indicate a bottleneck during any usage. 

 

I would think most modern combinations would have a lower average bottle neck.

 

Vs say having a 2080ti on a Core 2 quad setup..... well now THAT is a bottleneck. lol.

[ralphandmike]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Well I input 8700K at 110% OC, 16GB memory and 2x RTX 2060s all of which I am running. 

Haven't found anything that would indicate a bottleneck during any usage. 

 

I would think most modern combinations would have a lower average bottle neck.

 

Vs say having a 2080ti on a Core 2 quad setup..... well now THAT is a bottleneck. lol.

I have found that the site seems to favor nvidia vid cards to reduce or eliminate bottlenecks when you check it for one as a suggestion. never a amd graphics card or anything else. which is kind of biased to some degree. at least that's what ive found when calc setups for computers.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ralphandmike said:

I have found that the site seems to favor nvidia vid cards to reduce or eliminate bottlenecks when you check it for one as a suggestion. never a amd graphics card or anything else. which is kind of biased to some degree. at least that's what ive found when calc setups for computers.

I have no idea how all that works really. I'd think NV would have to pay people for a bias opinion and I doubt that happens.

More like the AMD GPUs don't have any real competition over NVidia. At least not yet. 

 

There's gotta be some give and take though. You give your information, and take the results with a grain of salt.

[ralphandmike]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I have no idea how all that works really. I'd think NV would have to pay people for a bias opinion and I doubt that happens.

More like the AMD GPUs don't have any real competition over NVidia. At least not yet. 

 

There's gotta be some give and take though. You give your information, and take the results with a grain of salt.

true but heres the thing to have no bottlenecks they usually suggest a 2080ti level card and that seems to indicate to me that the site favors nvidia instead of anything amd makes. granted amd is getting close to 2080 performance but still it leans towards nvidia more.

[Guest]

Just now, ralphandmike said:

true but heres the thing to have no bottlenecks they usually suggest a 2080ti level card and that seems to indicate to me that the site favors nvidia instead of anything amd makes. granted amd is getting close to 2080 performance but still it leans towards nvidia more.

Well a 2080ti card is going to handle play back at 8K gaming at 4K give easily 144hz 144fps and up.

 

The video card power alone doesn't create a bottleneck by itself.

 

The Cpu to GPU compute power or lack thereof, is a bottle neck. So High CPU clocks and thread count lowers Cpu to Gpu bottle necking. Throw memory latency and bandwidth into the mix also, this play a direct role in Cpu compute power and efficiency. 

[xg32]

1 minute ago, ralphandmike said:

true but heres the thing to have no bottlenecks they usually suggest a 2080ti level card and that seems to indicate to me that the site favors nvidia instead of anything amd makes. granted amd is getting close to 2080 performance but still it leans towards nvidia more.

there are rare use cases that has a bottleneck no matter what with current hardware, like the cpu bottleneck for 240hz apex legend, but it's more likely toward the gpu side with modern aaa titles at 1440p/144hz or 4k

[ralphandmike]

8 minutes ago, xg32 said:

there are rare use cases that has a bottleneck no matter what with current hardware, like the cpu bottleneck for 240hz apex legend, but it's more likely toward the gpu side with modern aaa titles at 1440p/144hz or 4k

this is the problem with a lot of other sites like that and userbenchmark. they tend to prefer certain things or at least lean a certain way when ot comes to giving out some useful data which may not be accurate or right in terms of someone building a system or in terms of deciding upon a certain computer part whether its worth it or not. I think the reviewers on youtube are a better metric in that regard. but getting back to the bottleneck thing. I believe there was more of a consensus that gpu ones are more favorable to cpu ones.