Haven't built in a while...

[Lorkhan420]

    It's probably been close to 9 years since my last build, I've done some upgrades on my current daily driver, but it's about to reach the end of it's life soon. So I've been trying to get back up to date with the current state of things in the PC world, and plan a proper build that should last me for some time, with upgrade options so i can future proof it as much as possible. Any help, suggestions, or critiques are welcome, after months of research I feel like I've barely touched the surface of things that have changed since my last build.

 

Some caveats and intended use;

    I'm planning on using my current GPU, it's an MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB GDDR5 OC VR ready, for the build I'm going to get another one for crossfire, with the intent to upgrade later in the year.

    I would prefer a 1000 w PSU but I've settled on a theme with this build and that left me with very few options.

    I decided to go with air cooling for now, but intend on getting an aio for the GPU, once I decide on the right one, and eventually I want to custom water-cool the whole system with glass tubing.

    I want to use this computer as a gaming/workstation.

 

Intended build date:

Mid June

 

Budget:

$1800 US dollars

(Hopefully by June the prices will drop, with the remaining money left over for future upgrades such as GPU, and maybe a new monitor or desk)

 

Build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lorkhan420/saved/RPYNP6

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[Jurrunio]

Crossfire is dead, games with good support for that is getting rare

1000W PSU can power two systems of this spec... I see no reason to get any PSU over 750W for modern single GPU systems.

Prime X570-Pro = TUF with Intel LAN and white aluminum, that's how easy they make money from people wanting white. If you want wireless, better get the Asrock Steel Legend AX board so you dont get a red expansion card.

Preferably 3600MHz RAM, there's a Trident Z Neo 3600MHz CL18 4x8GB kit for $210. Better for performance.

[LIGISTX]

1 hour ago, Lorkhan420 said:

    It's probably been close to 9 years since my last build, I've done some upgrades on my current daily driver, but it's about to reach the end of it's life soon. So I've been trying to get back up to date with the current state of things in the PC world, and plan a proper build that should last me for some time, with upgrade options so i can future proof it as much as possible. Any help, suggestions, or critiques are welcome, after months of research I feel like I've barely touched the surface of things that have changed since my last build.

 

Some caveats and intended use;

    I'm planning on using my current GPU, it's an MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB GDDR5 OC VR ready, for the build I'm going to get another one for crossfire, with the intent to upgrade later in the year.

    I would prefer a 1000 w PSU but I've settled on a theme with this build and that left me with very few options.

    I decided to go with air cooling for now, but intend on getting an aio for the GPU, once I decide on the right one, and eventually I want to custom water-cool the whole system with glass tubing.

    I want to use this computer as a gaming/workstation.

 

Intended build date:

Mid June

 

Budget:

$1800 US dollars

(Hopefully by June the prices will drop, with the remaining money left over for future upgrades such as GPU, and maybe a new monitor or desk)

 

Build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lorkhan420/saved/RPYNP6

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

What the poster above me said. Basically, never run dual GPU’s unless you already have the highest performing single GPU. Your better off selling the 580 and buying a better single card with the money you made and the money you would have spent on a second. Crossfire and SLI really are dead... 

 

Also, 1000w is extreme overkill, and takes you way out of the “efficiency” zone of the PSU. The rig in my sig, 8700k @5ghz and rtx 2080 @1995 MHz, d5 pump, lots of fans etc, only draws about 480-500 watts. PC’s have come a very long way as far as efficiency goes, well, to be fair, in every way. But a 650 watt is enough for just about any consumer chip/single GPU setup. Seriously, don’t go crossfire, in most situations it will likely just make your gameplay worse. Micro stutter and driver support/issues will drive you insane.

 

You can save some cash by going with a cheaper mobo, as they really don’t help performance much. But I assume that particular board fits the white theme, so, obviously that’s a consideration.

 

Only thing I can really say is the PSU option is great, don’t worry, that’s plenty of power. And don’t get a second GPU, just save the money and upgrade later. It’s seriously not at all worth it. 

[boggy77]

What others said, plus, that case has a psu cover so you won't be able to see the white psu anyway and the industrial fans are extremely loud and for industrial applications only.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$469.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler	$99.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$182.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$185.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Inland Premium 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$72.98 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card	$529.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Meshify S2 ATX Mid Tower Case	$149.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$83.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC P14 PWM PST (5-pack) 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans	$39.74 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1835.60
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1815.60
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-21 02:21 EST-0500

 

[Lorkhan420]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Crossfire is dead, games with good support for that is getting rare

1000W PSU can power two systems of this spec... I see no reason to get any PSU over 750W for modern single GPU systems.

Prime X570-Pro = TUF with Intel LAN and white aluminum, that's how easy they make money from people wanting white. If you want wireless, better get the Asrock Steel Legend AX board so you dont get a red expansion card.

Preferably 3600MHz RAM, there's a Trident Z Neo 3600MHz CL18 4x8GB kit for $210. Better for performance.

Yeah I looked at the TUF board but the main reason I decided on the PRIME mb is the extra pcie slots 3 x 16 and 3 x 1, vs 2 with the TUF, the white aesthetic just added to that, and I don't mind paying a little extra for the aesthetics. I didn't put it in my original post but the color aesthetic is white/black/red, where any rgb, which I'm trying to have as little as possible, would be the main source of red, and when I get the courage to knowledge to build a water-cooling system I was thinking of using red for the fluid. Definitely a lot to think about, what GPU would you recommend, I didn't realize crossfire was dead, was hoping the extra gpu would help with rendering in my blender projects? Thanks.  

[Lorkhan420]

47 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

What the poster above me said. Basically, never run dual GPU’s unless you already have the highest performing single GPU. Your better off selling the 580 and buying a better single card with the money you made and the money you would have spent on a second. Crossfire and SLI really are dead... 

 

Also, 1000w is extreme overkill, and takes you way out of the “efficiency” zone of the PSU. The rig in my sig, 8700k @5ghz and rtx 2080 @1995 MHz, d5 pump, lots of fans etc, only draws about 480-500 watts. PC’s have come a very long way as far as efficiency goes, well, to be fair, in every way. But a 650 watt is enough for just about any consumer chip/single GPU setup. Seriously, don’t go crossfire, in most situations it will likely just make your gameplay worse. Micro stutter and driver support/issues will drive you insane.

 

You can save some cash by going with a cheaper mobo, as they really don’t help performance much. But I assume that particular board fits the white theme, so, obviously that’s a consideration.

 

Only thing I can really say is the PSU option is great, don’t worry, that’s plenty of power. And don’t get a second GPU, just save the money and upgrade later. It’s seriously not at all worth it. 

Thanks, with the PSU I was hoping to account for any future needs the system might have. Do you have any references for the efficiency zone for PSU's? I do plan on doing some overclocking, so I figured I would probably need more power for that, as well as a water-cooling system, which I'm not too sure about the power consumption for pumps. Any suggestions on a GPU? I put the rx 580 in my daily driver about a year ago figured I could just use it until the next step up in GPU's release, based on the 2080 ti and and 5700 xt releases I figured that sometime around the fall this year there might be newer developments or at least a decrease in price, when it comes time to upgrade I was thinking either XFX Radeon VII 16GB or XFX - AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT RAW II 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0, I'm not a fan of Nvidia, not because of their products but mainly their business practices, such as how they limit their cards for oc'ing. Thanks

[Lorkhan420]

29 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

What others said, plus, that case has a psu cover so you won't be able to see the white psu anyway and the industrial fans are extremely loud and for industrial applications only.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor	$469.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler	$99.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$182.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$185.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Inland Premium 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$72.98 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card	$529.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Meshify S2 ATX Mid Tower Case	$149.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$83.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC P14 PWM PST (5-pack) 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans	$39.74 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1835.60
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1815.60
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-21 02:21 EST-0500

 

Thanks, I didn't realize the fans were that loud, i think it said they were like 31 db, I'll definitely look into that.

[Jurrunio]

25 minutes ago, Lorkhan420 said:

what GPU would you recommend, I didn't realize crossfire was dead, was hoping the extra gpu would help with rendering in my blender projects?

Not just Crossfire, even SLI doesnt do well. Sure it's supported by Nvidia, but not so much game developers. What you should buy depends on budget. Best value high end card is the 2070 Super around $500, for mid range it's either the 5700XT or 2060S (2070 in some parts of the world where it's at 2060S price) at about $400, then the 2060 holding at $320-350.

 

Blender works better with CUDA, which is only available for Nvidia cards. It can use multiple cards at a time but CPU is still ultimately the key. Also expect software glitches and faults with AMD cards.

[Lorkhan420]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Not just Crossfire, even SLI doesnt do well. Sure it's supported by Nvidia, but not so much game developers. What you should buy depends on budget. Best value high end card is the 2070 Super around $500, for mid range it's either the 5700XT or 2060S (2070 in some parts of the world where it's at 2060S price) at about $400, then the 2060 holding at $320-350.

 

Blender works better with CUDA, which is only available for Nvidia cards. It can use multiple cards at a time but CPU is still ultimately the key. Also expect software glitches and faults with AMD cards.

Thanks, I'll have to do more research, when it comes time to upgrade I was thinking of XFX Radeon VII 16GB or XFX - AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT RAW II 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0, I really want to get a card that can take advantage of the 4.0 pcie, and as mentioned above, in response to LIGISTX, I really don't like nvidia, I want to like them but they make it hard :). I probably won't upgrade the gpu until this fall so I'll just keep using my rx 580 for now, it's probably the only part in my pc that does what I need it to anymore.

[boggy77]

While radeon vii and 5700xt can use pcie 4.0, they don't really take advantage of that, as they can't saturate the pcie 3 lanes. It's not like they are bottlenecked by pcie 3. Anyway, you didn't mention the purpose of this pc. If we're talking gaming, you don't need a 3900x, you're better off with a 3600 and a 2080ti for that budget

[Lorkhan420]

12 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

While radeon vii and 5700xt can use pcie 4.0, they don't really take advantage of that, as they can't saturate the pcie 3 lanes. It's not like they are bottlenecked by pcie 3. Anyway, you didn't mention the purpose of this pc. If we're talking gaming, you don't need a 3900x, you're better off with a 3600 and a 2080ti for that budget

Purpose wise Gaming/Workstation. Gaming at 1080p is fine for me, but I want to get into streaming (but not just game play). Workstation wise, I sort through large data sets, I have a slight obsession with number theory and working with prime numbers can use up a lot of cpu, I thought about the 3950x but settled on the 3900x as it would suit my needs just fine. On the other side of workstation use I'm into game development and design. Thanks for your time, I appreciate it, haven't really had anyone to bounce ideas off of or talk about pc's with.

[Lorkhan420]

Updated build:

 

Based on suggestions I altered my build. If anyone has some suggestions they would be appreciated. Still not planning on upgrading the gpu until later, but I think I'll go with the one in the parts list. Thanks for all of your help, let me know if I'm missing something or if there's a part that I could get more performance out of. One thing I'm definitely unsure of is the wireless adapter.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lorkhan420/saved/RPYNP6

[LIGISTX]

Even if you overclock like crazy, unless you go exotic cooling you won’t Need more then 650-750 watts in a single GPU standard consumer CPU system. And the efficient zone of a PSU is typically between 40 and 70% load iirc, and most of the time your system is at idle sipping about 100-120 watts max, so usually your on the low end of power draw.

 

Also, both companies have had plenty of shady business practices. Recently the debacle with the AMD bios flashes basically day of launch was pretty horrendous. But as far as nvidia limiting OCing, I’m not really sure what you mean. The gimped 200 dollar 2060 was like that, but that was a strange card, and still very good value... It’s hard to not recommend nvidia simply because they out perform AMD by miles, and honestly, I don’t think they are any particularly worse than AMD, Intel, or anyone else. Plus, nvidia drivers are better which means a lot to me. Driver issues are ssssooooo Windows Vista, I cant stand driver issues anymore.