Choosing amd or intel

[calarahil]

I'm currently looking to upgrade from a i7 4790k and can't help but feel frustrated with choosing between the 2. Reviewers and YouTube's have a love affair for the Ryzen stuff but they always say if you stream or do professional work it makes Ryzen better. When I look at gaming benchmarks Intel is better and that's all that I do. I intend on getting the i7 10700k because it's either going to be in line with or better than the i9 9900k. Am I looking at things wrong. Just looking for a healthy discussion about my internal dilemma

[just that pc guy]

2 minutes ago, calarahil said:

I'm currently looking to upgrade from a i7 4790k and can't help but feel frustrated with choosing between the 2. Reviewers and YouTube's have a love affair for the Ryzen stuff but they always say if you stream or do professional work it makes Ryzen better. When I look at gaming benchmarks Intel is better and that's all that I do. I intend on getting the i7 10700k because it's either going to be in line with or better than the i9 9900k. Am I looking at things wrong. Just looking for a healthy discussion about my internal dilemma

you want something thats cheap, fast, doesnt kick out alot of heat, but will still get hard core intel fans mad? ryzen . want something thats overpriced, kicks out more heat, and will put you in buyers remorse? intel

[calarahil]

3 minutes ago, just that pc guy said:

you want something thats cheap, fast, doesnt kick out alot of heat, but will still get hard core intel fans mad? ryzen . want something thats overpriced, kicks out more heat, and will put you in buyers remorse? intel

I have a microcenter near me to get a i7 9700k combo it would be around 450 for both which is cheaper then a Ryzen r9 setup and more gaming potienial and I have a nh d15 I'm not worried about heat output. https://www.microcenter.com/product/5002608/-intel-core-i7-9700k,-asus-prime-z390-p,-cpu---motherboard-bundle

[just that pc guy]

2 minutes ago, calarahil said:

I have a microcenter near me to get a i7 9700k combo it would be around 450 for both which is cheaper then a Ryzen r9 setup and more gaming potienial and I have a nh d15 I'm not worried about heat output. https://www.microcenter.com/product/5002608/-intel-core-i7-9700k,-asus-prime-z390-p,-cpu---motherboard-bundle

oh nice, i would honestly go with amd though just because of how better they are performence wise, check up on some online benchmarks if that helps

[calarahil]

3 minutes ago, ItsQuantum said:

Depends exactly what you want to do with it really. I've had a Ryzen 5 2600 for about 18 months and it has been awesome. It wasn't too expensive, 6 cores/12 threads and it pretty amazing for everything I throw at it - games or other loads. Intel tends to be slightly ahead in gaming from what I remember but it wasn't a large difference nowadays and really wasn't worth the added cost at the time I upgraded. But I would definitely recommend Ryzen from my own personal experience.

The issue I have is I dont want to go budgety with amd on a r5 and suffer frames for it when I can get more from a i7 10700k. I'm just at a loss because reviewers only look at production and streaming both of which I don't do. Didnt know if I'm thinking about this wrong.

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, just that pc guy said:

you want something thats cheap, fast, doesnt kick out alot of heat, but will still get hard core intel fans mad? ryzen . want something thats overpriced, kicks out more heat, and will put you in buyers remorse? intel

Lol. Depends on what you do, I found my Ryzen rig far less enjoyable than my Intel setup. Slower too

 

2 minutes ago, calarahil said:

I have a microcenter near me to get a i7 9700k combo it would be around 450 for both which is cheaper then a Ryzen r9 setup and more gaming potienial and I have a nh d15 I'm not worried about heat output. 

9700K is a damn solid gaming CPU. Ryzen's equivalent is a 3700X/3800X, which has twice the threads and better IPC/single core, but they're slightly behind in pure gaming because their arch still has more core to core and RAM latency. 

I highly doubt you'll get buyer's remorse with the 9700K unless you're playing really thread hungry titles, or multitasking a lot. If you enjoy all-core OCing it'll be more fun too, Ryzen is still terrible at that. 

If you don't want to OC your chip and don't mind the slight loss in gaming perf, most of the 3000 series Ryzens are a damn good option and they'll perform better almost everywhere else. 

[Stu_Bear]

I'd personally buy a 3700x over a 9700k...and a b450 board...cost around the same.  Unless you have a super-high refresh rate monitor...like above 144hz.  Still the 3700x will make for smoother game play.

[ElBubsio]

Hi,

 

If you want to check out some gaming benchmarks, there's loads of them on youtube.  Just put the 2 CPUs/graphics cards you're thinking about and someone will probably have done a comparison.  I personally like ryzen though as you get 90% of the performance for about 60-70% of the price of intel (at least last time I checked).

[calarahil]

14 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Lol. Depends on what you do, I found my Ryzen rig far less enjoyable than my Intel setup. Slower too

 

9700K is a damn solid gaming CPU. Ryzen's equivalent is a 3700X/3800X, which has twice the threads and better IPC/single core, but they're slightly behind in pure gaming because their arch still has more core to core and RAM latency. 

I highly doubt you'll get buyer's remorse with the 9700K unless you're playing really thread hungry titles, or multitasking a lot. If you enjoy all-core OCing it'll be more fun too, Ryzen is still terrible at that. 

If you don't want to OC your chip and don't mind the slight loss in gaming perf, most of the 3000 series Ryzens are a damn good option and they'll perform better almost everywhere else. 

I may OC but that depends on what headroom I get from the next gen i7 whicc has same thread and count as the i9 current gen 

[calarahil]

14 minutes ago, Stu_Bear said:

I'd personally buy a 3700x over a 9700k...and a b450 board...cost around the same.  Unless you have a super-high refresh rate monitor...like above 144hz.  Still the 3700x will make for smoother game play.

The issue I have though is I'd be losing gaming performance for my productivity which I don't utilize.

[Stu_Bear]

I'd wait to see what Ryzen 4000 has to offer.  Also, if want the best of both worlds...3950x!  There's only a handful of games that play better on Intel I think compared to a 3950x.

[ElBubsio]

1 minute ago, calarahil said:

The issue I have though is I'd be losing gaming performance for my productivity which I don't utilize.

Here's a benchmarking video from youtube -

 

 

 

As this shows, you're getting about 5-10% extra performance with intel, but the price is about 30-40% more expensive (I just checked on eBuyer).  If you have unlimited budget, by all means spend away, but if you're on any kind of budget, that's AMD is far better performance for the money.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, calarahil said:

I may OC but that depends on what headroom I get from the next gen i7 whicc has same thread and count as the i9 current gen 

Ah well if you're waiting for next gen, I believe AMD has their 4000 series coming around then? I forget what the guesstimate at this point is. But point being AMD should have an improvement on Zen 2, meaning they'll likely catch or pass Intel. Can't really make an Intel vs AMD gaming capability decision for next-gen stuff because nobody has benched it yet. 
 

[teenage_club]

51 minutes ago, Stu_Bear said:

I'd personally buy a 3700x over a 9700k...and a b450 board...cost around the same.  Unless you have a super-high refresh rate monitor...like above 144hz.  Still the 3700x will make for smoother game play.

from the way OP's build is looking, overclocking seems to be a possibility, so I would check things like VRM cooling and stuff before buying just any b450 mobo, even though it does support overclocking

[calarahil]

1 hour ago, teenage_club said:

from the way OP's build is looking, overclocking seems to be a possibility, so I would check things like VRM cooling and stuff before buying just any b450 mobo, even though it does support overclocking

Here is what it comes down to for me. 1. The socket I would have to get a noctua kit to fit am4 so added cost there. 2. I'm not a fan of on chip pin setups. Most of you I imagine weren't building pcs when I did but back on socket 939 I did and bent pins are dumb. 3. I have a micro center near me so the price difference between the i7 and the 3700x is very small but I get more out of the i7. So it comes down to why does everyone throw out gamer only for production work especially Linus's videos I understand the workload in getting things done but frame rate for gamers should be top dog as a recommendation. If Nvidia for example put out a pci e 4 cars then maybe but I just feel like everyone shills for Amd and I'm trying to understand the Ryzen craze.

[xg32]

3 hours ago, calarahil said:

The issue I have though is I'd be losing gaming performance for my productivity which I don't utilize.

if you can get a deal for the 9700k and u live near a mc, just go for it, 9700k is still the best gaming cpu if you get a slight discount

[calarahil]

38 minutes ago, xg32 said:

if you can get a deal for the 9700k and u live near a mc, just go for it, 9700k is still the best gaming cpu if you get a slight discount

I'm waiting on the 10 series to release because the i7 is getting hyper threading again so it will be 8 cores 16 threads much like the 9900k but at i7 money unless microcenter puts the i9 at a high discount id go with the next series. 

[calarahil]

4 hours ago, Stu_Bear said:

I'd personally buy a 3700x over a 9700k...and a b450 board...cost around the same.  Unless you have a super-high refresh rate monitor...like above 144hz.  Still the 3700x will make for smoother game play.

The problem is in a lot of benchmarks I was looking at the 3700k falls a good margin short in benchmarks 5-10 frames is not small. 

[calarahil]

4 hours ago, ElBubsio said:

Here's a benchmarking video from youtube -

 

 

 

As this shows, you're getting about 5-10% extra performance with intel, but the price is about 30-40% more expensive (I just checked on eBuyer).  If you have unlimited budget, by all means spend away, but if you're on any kind of budget, that's AMD is far better performance for the money.

I plan on using microcenter. I'm just trying to understand the arguement that one is inherently better strictly for gaming. I'll use an example for a 3800x  combo at microcenter its 500 dollars. 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5003223/-amd-ryzen-7-3800x-with-wraith-prism-cooler,-asus-prime-x570-pro,-cpu---motherboard-bundle

If i go with a intel i7 9700 for example I'm spending 50 dollars less. 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5002608/-intel-core-i7-9700k,-asus-prime-z390-p,-cpu---motherboard-bundle

[KaitouX]

9 minutes ago, calarahil said:

The problem is in a lot of benchmarks I was looking at the 3700k falls a good margin short in benchmarks 5-10 frames is not small. 

5~10 frames at 1080p using a 2080Ti and usually at over 100fps, with higher resolutions and slower GPUs the difference gets smaller. When you consider such small difference in gaming, the fact that the AMD option uses less power while being faster at almost everything that isn't gaming makes it the better option for most people.

Also if gaming is a focus you probably don't need a X570 board and can get a decent B450+3700X for ~$400.

[calarahil]

Just now, KaitouX said:

5~10 frames at 1080p using a 2080Ti and usually at over 100fps, with higher resolutions and slower GPUs the difference gets smaller. When you consider such small difference in gaming, the fact that the AMD option uses less power while being faster at almost everything that isn't gaming makes it the better option for most people.

Also if gaming is a focus you probably don't need a X570 board and can get a decent B450+3700X for ~$400.

Thats true I could go down to a lower series board however you lose out on pci e 4. And considering that the ballpark I normally land myself in with a i7 type build the only reason I would go AMD at this point would be to either A. Get higher frames then a i7 which at this moment amd hasnt done. and B. Get PCI E 4

[KaitouX]

7 minutes ago, calarahil said:

Thats true I could go down to a lower series board however you lose out on pci e 4. And considering that the ballpark I normally land myself in with a i7 type build the only reason I would go AMD at this point would be to either A. Get higher frames then a i7 which at this moment amd hasnt done. and B. Get PCI E 4

If you're going to use a 2070S/5700XT or faster GPU at 1080p then get Intel, otherwise AMD will provide you with the same experience while using less power, that's pretty much it for your case. PCIe 4 shouldn't be something to make you change what CPU you are going to buy.

 

Also there's a good chance AMD is going to be as fast with Zen 3, that should be compatible with current MB, which isn't the case for Intel.

[calarahil]

Just now, KaitouX said:

If you're going to use a 2070S/5700XT or faster GPU at 1080p then get Intel, otherwise AMD will provide you with the same experience while using less power, that's pretty much it for your case. PCIe 4 shouldn't be something to make you change what CPU you are going to buy.

What about 1440p and 144hz I haven't looked too far into stuff in that area. 

[KaitouX]

You can get some idea of the scaling in this review:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1897-ryzen-5-ryzen-9-core-i9-gaming-scaling/

[calarahil]

3 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

You can get some idea of the scaling in this review:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1897-ryzen-5-ryzen-9-core-i9-gaming-scaling/

Yea really hasn't changed my mind and hasnt topped Intel yet and the price difference on mobo and cpu isn't in a position to sway me towards amd. That and pins on CPUs again yuck and a new noctua mount