Blower 5700 xt?

[Aidan.69420]

Anyone have a blower style 5700 xt? I’m curious about noise levels since My pc will be on my desk.  I’m on a budget looking at pairing an EVGA 2060 KO($410 CDN) WITH A Ryzen 3600, but I’m open to buying a 5700 xt for around $500 CDN, but I would be buying a blower card in that case.  I Want to know if the blower card is too annoying for gaming use and if I should just stick with the 2060 KO.  I’m not going with a 5700 either, since it’s more money than the 2060 KO, and with not too much of a performance change, I’d prefer NVIDIA drivers. 

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Aidan.69420 said:

but I would be buying a blower card in that case.  I Want to know if the blower card is too annoying for gaming use and if I should just stick with the 2060 KO.

All in all the reference 5700XT only issue is being louder than the aftermarket cards, if noise is of no bother to you because of headsets and alike then I don't really see an issue with it.

 

Performance wise all 5700XT are extremely on pair from one another.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

All in all the reference 5700XT only issue is being louder than the aftermarket cards,

Don't they let the VRAM get much too hot? Or is that only an issue with the stock fan profile? 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Don't they let the VRAM get much too hot? Or is that only an issue with the stock fan profile? 

Fine tuning the fan profile does help a bunch and surprisingly the reference card actually has direct contact to the VRM and the main vapor chamber heatsink which helps a ton making it better than even a couple of aftermarket cards:

I would say it is perfectly adequate

[Jurrunio]

the non XT custom model (RX 5700) is the better choice tbh if you dont mind the extra steps to bypass OC limits. Their performance is more comparable to the 2060 Super

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

Fine tuning the fan profile does help a bunch and surprisingly the reference card actually has direct contact to the VRM and the main vapor chamber heatsink which helps a ton making it better than even a couple of aftermarket cards:

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I would say it is perfectly adequate

Oh lol, I'd typed VRAM. IIRC the VRMs are overkill for the stock card, same as on the reference Vega cards. Whereas I'd seen stuff about worrying temps on the GDDR6 VRAM. 

 

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

the non XT custom model (RX 5700) is the better choice tbh if you dont mind the extra steps to bypass OC limits. Their performance is more comparable to the 2060 Super

Why? Like... why? That's like telling someone who can afford a Vega 64 to get the V56 instead. Sure you can OC a lower card up but if you have to reset to stock because of driver issues or anything then you're stuck with a worse card. Also this assumes your card will be able to OC well enough to compete with the higher card, you can cool it, and given it's likely a lower bin it'll probably want more power than the better card wanted in the first place. I can even OC my RVII for a full 11% performance increase, but since it's not an amazing bin, it also eats a casual 380W doing that, which is more than many entire PCs. 

Aka "get the lower card and OC" is dumb advice. Get the best card (within reason) that you can afford, and OC from there. If it's a shitty bin or you have to revert to stock for any reason, you're at least guaranteed the performance of that card. 

[Aidan.69420]

7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

the non XT custom model (RX 5700) is the better choice tbh if you dont mind the extra steps to bypass OC limits. Their performance is more comparable to the 2060 Super

I don’t really want to tinker with the card too much.  This is my first pc build ever, and my first gaming pc.  Directly switching from Xbox to this bow

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Aidan.69420 said:

I don’t really want to tinker with the card too much.  This is my first pc build ever, and my first gaming pc.  Directly switching from Xbox to this bow

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh I'd stick with the Nvidia card tbh. In my experience and from what I've read, on average they have less issues. AMD drivers since mid-2019 have been pretty shit, and Adrenaline 2020 has gotten even worse lol. Lot of people getting random blackscreens on Vega/Navi cards (I include Vega because I'm running a Vega card and get them regularly, and the vast majority of reports I've seen from other people are on Navi cards). Not fun when the entire PC blackscreens, audio dies, then it full reboots. 

Ofc you could get a good experience (all the people not complaining did), but the amount of complaints I do see is higher than I'd like. Drivers are bad enough that GamersNexus actually asked AMD reps about them at whatever the last big tech showcase was, IIRC CES? Or the other one, forget the name. But yeah right now they're very oof, though AMD has said they're gonna work on them. As to whether they do or not, and how long it takes, isn't known. 

 

And it's not like you're making a massive compromise, the 2060 is still an excellent card. 

[rares495]

You don't want to deal with AMD's driver issues while building your first PC. Trust me. Buy an Nvidia card.

 

If you do decide to go AMD, avoid the reference 5700 XT like the plague. Those cards get crazy hot and will kill m.2 SSDs that sit directly underneath them. Happened to me twice at work.

[Jurrunio]

39 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Why? Like... why? That's like telling someone who can afford a Vega 64 to get the V56 instead.

We're talking about a blower V64 and Red Dragon V56 if you use the Vega terminology, but a good chunk cheaper because 5700XT is taking the flagship tax atm.

 

39 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Aka "get the lower card and OC" is dumb advice.

dumb when there's a larger difference between the full card and cut down one. 5700 is 90% that of the 5700XT in hardware, which is higher compared to say, Nvidia which tends to leave an 80-85% gap and AMD below 90%, without clock limits on the cheaper one.

 

Of course now that the 5600XT is basically stabbing the 5700 from the back withonly a 25% memory cut.... it's messy.

 

47 minutes ago, Aidan.69420 said:

I don’t really want to tinker with the card too much.  This is my first pc build ever, and my first gaming pc.  Directly switching from Xbox to this bow

then dont get the Radeons, get an RTX card. I'd still rather spend more and get a standard 2060 instead of the KO (which comes with a 1660Ti cooler strapped on) for the cooling (and room to OC in the future, since KO has locked power limit)

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

dumb when there's a larger difference between the full card and cut down one. 5700 is 90% that of the 5700XT in hardware, which is higher compared to say, Nvidia which tends to leave an 80-85% gap and AMD below 90%, without clock limits on the cheaper one.

And I just told you how I have to brutally fist 380W through my RVII to get the fucker to produce a 10-11% OC right? A 10% OC is fucking massive on a GPU, and even if you get that you're just matching a bone stock 5700XT. 

What's the point? 

 

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

We're talking about a blower V64 and Red Dragon V56 if you use the Vega terminology, but a good chunk cheaper because 5700XT is taking the flagship tax atm.

Given current pricing I guess? I'm talking equal V64 to equal V56, it was a common (and also fucking stupid) practice to recommend a V56 with a BIOS flash/powerplay table mod over a V64 back when Vegas were the mid-high end. 

The difference between a good 5700XT and 5700 is like what, $100 or so? Not massive, especially since the 5700 is maybe possibly as fast as the 5700XT if you OC like an absolute madman, whereas the 5700XT performs like (surprise) a 5700XT out of the box!

 

[Jurrunio]

22 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

And I just told you how I have to brutally fist 380W through my RVII to get the fucker to produce a 10-11% OC right? A 10% OC is fucking massive on a GPU, and even if you get that you're just matching a bone stock 5700XT. 

What's the point? 

Noise levels and saving money? Power is much cheaper than the cards themselves.

 

23 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

$100 or so?

How many kWh of electricity is that then?

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Noise levels and saving money? Power is much cheaper than the cards themselves.

Pushing masses of power through a card makes it quieter than another card running stock? Why did I put my RVII on a waterblock to reduce noise and temps when pushing more power then?

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

How many kWh of electricity is that then?

IDK actually. Does any savings over the life of the card make up for extra wear and tear when pushing a card that hard? And do they again, somehow magically guarantee you'll get a 10% performance increase from an OC anyways? 

Either way it's impossible to convince me that pushing a card that hard is a good idea for anyone but OC enthusiasts, everyone else should just get a card that performs the way they want at stock and call it a day, any OC they do push is just icing on the cake. And OP expressed that they don't want to OC anyways, making this conversation fruitless anyways, and the suggestion even more silly. 

Maybe confirm that someone both wants to and is capable of pushing a card that far before suggesting that option. 

[Jurrunio]

37 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Pushing masses of power through a card makes it quieter than another card running stock? Why did I put my RVII on a waterblock to reduce noise and temps when pushing more power then?

Cuz no partner's allowed to slap a 3 slot 300mm+ heatsink onto a Radeon VII?

 

37 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

IDK actually. Does any savings over the life of the card make up for extra wear and tear when pushing a card that hard? And do they again, somehow magically guarantee you'll get a 10% performance increase from an OC anyways? 

Will you even notice the extra load and condition on a good model? I doubt that, I've pushed a 1070 beyond factory limits (stock limit is 150w, now it's regularly doing 200w and can peak to 225w) as well and didn't notice any serious problem. Even the fans that are usually at 80-90% fan speed worked fine, while being somewhat shouty.

 

None of the OC stuff are guaranteed, but the cooler situation is guaranteed to exist on the reference card. They're all built the same.

 

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And OP expressed that they don't want to OC anyways, making this conversation fruitless anyways, and the suggestion even more silly. 

Maybe confirm that someone both wants to and is capable of pushing a card that far before suggesting that option. 

I will, next time

[Tonberry]

My RX 5700 XT was a blower, the temperatures are more to be concerned than the noise.

I can tolerate its noise than its temperatures. Mine was running at 94C at full load before I watercool it.

 

It's capped at 144 FPS in my 5 GHz 8700K system when playing my favourite game, but it flies so much smoother at 180-210 FPS when it's in my 3700X system with exact same game settings.