keeping windows 7

[kelvinhall05]

44 minutes ago, Los Serpent said:

lol,

because what your calling secure is a piace of shit

 

secure, yes it is! what kind of miserable hacker would make a virus for an system NO one uses? and the few who do are nerds who could never get hacked because they spend their life online?

 

"Not sure why you'd rather use an old, unsupported, and insecure OS" 

 

dude i stated twice why.

 

"old" yes, and?

Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Go read up a bit about Linux and how it even works and then come back.

[kelvinhall05]

1 hour ago, TomvanWijnen said:

I'm not the creator of this thread, but I need to use Office, which, according to an article from a month or two ago, can be done by using Wine, but only up until Office 2010, which will be losing support in a few months too unfortunately. Office 2016 was possible on another program, but that program isn't free, so it's no option either. Using a virtual machine for every Word document would be ridiculous.

Libreoffice. It's free. It works.

1 hour ago, TomvanWijnen said:

There's also the matter of having to relearn a lot of the OS, which is also inconvenient. Though it'd be awesome to be able to switch, Linux just isn't a realistic option for me.

 

I'm a fucking retard and I learned it in a few weeks. There isn't much to learn, all you have to "learn" is that you install stuff through a package manager or in command line.

[RageTester]

3 hours ago, TomvanWijnen said:

I'm not the creator of this thread, but I need to use Office

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-use-microsoft-office-for-free-on-the-web

 

I haven't done windows update for years anyway, not planning to start, so I'll keep using WIN7 until maybe WIN10 gets rid of system bugs, never use latest, use stable versions! Can't get windows to work on my Raspberry Pi, so I know a thing or two about linux, and it isn't hard to understand indeed.

Most of the world is going mobile though, so Android is the OS we should get used to...

[homeap5]

You may still use win7. And it will be more and more safe in fact - the less people will use it, the less probability that hackers will want to focus on that system.

It's like XP - so many people warning about security risk, but I am waiting many years to read something like "and now it happens - XP, as we said, was widely attacked by hackers who knows that Microsoft no longer support this system - lot of people who still using XP lost their data". No, nothing like that. After so many warnings and talking about very big risk, I can't remember any of big XP attack by some group of hackers who wait until XP will be not supported my M$.

 

But anyway - Comodo Firewall (and only firewall, not AV, if you find it) will be very helpful if you're worry about security and attacks.

 

[Sauron]

4 hours ago, Los Serpent said:

i wanna keep windows 7, what are some things i'll have to lookout for?

 

and i can i keep NOT using a antivirus as i have done up until now?

You can but you shouldn't if you care even a little about security.

4 hours ago, Los Serpent said:

i work as an IT technician for one of the largest best companies in italy (IMA)

It's a bit weird you wouldn't know the answer to this question if you're an IT technician

[Sauron]

8 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

And it will be more and more safe in fact - the less people will use it, the less probability that hackers will want to focus on that system.

Nonsense, there are still plenty of W7 computers around and you can bet your last penny that every hacker worth their salt will jump on them like a wolf as soon as the first zero-day that will never be patched shows up. Maybe 10 years from now this reasoning will make some sense, right now it's the exact opposite.

10 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

It's like XP - so many people warning about security risk, but I am waiting many years to read something like "and now it happens - XP, as we said, was widely attacked by hackers who knows that Microsoft no longer support this system - lot of people who still using XP lost their data". No, nothing like that.

Google "wannacry". Where were you in 2018?

[homeap5]

6 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Nonsense, there are still plenty of W7 computers around and you can bet your last penny that every hacker worth their salt will jump on them like a wolf as soon as the first zero-day that will never be patched shows up. Maybe 10 years from now this reasoning will make some sense, right now it's the exact opposite.

Google "wannacry". Where were you in 2018?

"Wannacry" was not designed for XP only. And XP gets fix from Microsoft anyway. Any other examples?

 

Nonsense or not - we can back to this thread after 2-3 years and then you'll tell me how many attacks was made BECAUSE win7 was no longer supported.

 

I works on many computers in many places (some of them remotely). One of them has XP installed that runs fine over 10 years. Still connected to internet and still works without hackers attacks. I'm feeling sooo lucky, because probably I'm the only one who still has access to XP machine working without viruses. I assume that's magic.

 

[Sauron]

12 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

"Wannacry" was not designed for XP only.

But it was mainly spread through XP machines that hadn't been updated for a while.

13 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

And XP gets fix from Microsoft anyway.

Yeah, that's unlikely to happen again. They only did it because of how incredibly disastrous Wannacry ended up being to crucial infrastructure.

13 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

Any other examples?

That's the one that made the headlines (which is what you requested, moving the goalpost much?), and you couldn't really miss it because it was ransomware... there's no real way of knowing how much undetectable malware is out there for XP because nobody is really looking for it. There are some pretty interesting stats on massive interdevice botnets that were made possible by outdated operating systems though.

16 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

Nonsense or not - we can back to this thread after 2-3 years and then you'll tell me how many attacks was made BECAUSE win7 was no longer supported.

First of all you claimed it would somehow be more secure, so by that logic I should expect a full report from you on how malware infections on W7 computers stayed about the same as before EOL. But don't worry, it's quite likely we'll get a Wannacry 2 eventually given how many people seem hellbent on keeping 7.

18 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

I works on many computers in many places (some of them remotely). One of them has XP installed that runs fine over 10 years.

Ah yes, one computer runs fine therefore there can't possibly be any security risk.

19 minutes ago, homeap5 said:

I'm feeling sooo lucky, because probably I'm the only one who still has access to XP machine working without viruses. I assume that's magic.

It's coincidence, it's not like 100% of outdated machines are going to be automatically infected, especially if you're careful. That doesn't mean you should trust it with sensitive information. Besides, you can't be sure it's not infected.

[TomvanWijnen]

2 hours ago, RageTester said:

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-use-microsoft-office-for-free-on-the-web

Thanks, but unfortunately the online version of Word (which is what I use most) misses many features that I often use, so it's sadly not a viable replacement. I've also had many issues (in the couple of times that I used it, yes I used it within the past few months) with Word online lagging like crazy.

 

3 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Libreoffice. It's free. It works.

It works indeed, but I need some features that LibreOffice unfortunately does not have. Because I was curious I just looked one specific thing up, and it seems that I would need to install an extension for it, which isn't perfect but doable, but said extension does not do everything that I need it to do and does some things very inconveniently. Why switch from something that just works? (most of the time, that is - I'll be the first to admit to the many failures Office has)

 

1 hour ago, homeap5 said:

Comodo Firewall (and only firewall, not AV, if you find it) will be very helpful if you're worry about security and attacks.

Thanks, I'll look into that! I managed to (somewhat willfully, I must admit) forget about the ending of Windows 7 so some computers in my house are still on 7... Fortunately they aren't the most used nor do they download much, but it's still a bit oopsie.

 

Ido, however, think that it's unacceptable to end support so early. It's very inconvenient to have to move to a new operating system during the regular lifespan of a computer. It's also just not feasible for most users to do this properly and it'll take me hours to first back up all files - in the hope of not missing anything, then install a new OS, and then configure everything...

[Windows95]

7 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Not a joke. Linux is better for most workloads and I'd say that the only thing it's (slightly) behind Windows in is gaming (mostly due to the anti-cheat software some games use, such as Battleye, not working on Linux). It's also more secure and isn't full of spyware like Windows 10 is.

lets see

 

Cubase: windows

FLstudio: windows

Sony Vegas: windows

literally games: windows

 

cant avoid gate's bullshit unfortunately

[kelvinhall05]

17 minutes ago, Windows95 said:

literally games: windows

The only games I haven't been able to run are ones that use Battleye. For me, all that means is no PUBG.

[Los Serpent]

18 hours ago, Sauron said:

You can but you shouldn't if you care even a little about security.

It's a bit weird you wouldn't know the answer to this question if you're an IT technician

i only started recently, besides even if i had 30 years of experience i always ask for opinions, i'm not some twat full of himself who thinks he's got all the anwsers, even if i'm sure of something i still ask

[Los Serpent]

14 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

The only games I haven't been able to run are ones that use Battleye. For me, all that means is no PUBG.

lol, no arma 3 and dayz > missing out on the best games on steam 

[kelvinhall05]

33 minutes ago, Los Serpent said:

lol, no arma 3 and dayz > missing out on the best games on steam 

https://www.protondb.com/app/107410 Arma 3 works fine. Do your research before you make bogus claims.

[Los Serpent]

29 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

https://www.protondb.com/app/107410 Arma 3 works fine. Do your research before you make bogus claims.

dude, you're the one who needs a lot of research. "The only games I haven't been able to run are ones that use Battleye" you do realize that arma runs on battleye right? so i guess you are wrong.

[kelvinhall05]

4 minutes ago, Los Serpent said:

dude, you're the one who needs a lot of research. "The only games I haven't been able to run are ones that use Battleye" you do realize that arma runs on battleye right? so i guess you are wrong.

Did you click the link I sent?

[Los Serpent]

11 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Did you click the link I sent?

lol, only read the title "

Works great with a little tweaking to make it run initially" sucks that you have to tweak everything to make linux work

[kelvinhall05]

5 minutes ago, Los Serpent said:

lol, only read the title "

Works great with a little tweaking to make it run initially" sucks that you have to tweak everything to make linux work

But it runs, no? And it's rated gold on Proton. That's pretty damn good.

[Ashleyyyy]

On 1/22/2020 at 6:57 PM, Los Serpent said:

i wanna keep windows 7, what are some things i'll have to lookout for?

ok, so forgetting about the whole linux argument, i wanna ask why stick with 7 when 8.1 exists?

 

i understand not wanting to use Windows 10, but 8.1 is actually a great OS. it has many of the same under the hood improvements windows 10 also has, so it's faster than 7, and unlike 10 which forces you to use Metro for some things like settings, with 8.1 you can disable Metro almost entirely. all the settings are still in control panel and you can use classic start to get a proper start menu back. 

[Godlygamer23]

On 1/22/2020 at 2:49 PM, Los Serpent said:

secure, yes it is! what kind of miserable hacker would make a virus for an system NO one uses? and the few who do are nerds who could never get hacked because they spend their life online?

Also, it doesn't necessarily mean it's secure if no one hacks it. It's more proper to just call it "safe" unless it's proven to be "secure", and even then, nothing is perfectly secure anyway.