Non- overclocking CPU

[klapstok]

Hey guys

 

What are the better options for a non overclocking CPU - and a good fitting motherboard?

I was thinking about going for an i9400f or AMD Ryzen 3600. 

My CPU will probably be the RTX 2060 Super

 

Can you guys help me out? 

all other parts recommendations are more than welcome too! 

 

thanks brothers

[Jumballi]

but the 3600 can overclock, is there a reason you're specifically looking at non overclocking?

[klapstok]

1 minute ago, Jumballi said:

but the 3600 can overclock, is there a reason you're specifically looking at non overclocking?

yes I'm considering that one since its as cheap as the i5 9400f. ( but won't overclock the 3600)

 

In my opinion, overclocking would just be a higher demand for your computer so I'd just change computers after each 5 years instead of another year and a half with OC.

also with non overclocking computers I can save some more money on parts too

[Jumballi]

1 minute ago, klapstok said:

yes I'm considering that one since its as cheap as the i5 9400f. ( but won't overclock the 3600)

 

In my opinion, overclocking would just be a higher demand for your computer so I'd just change computers after each 5 years instead of another year and a half with OC.

also with non overclocking computers I can save some more money on parts too

overclocking isn't too strenuous as long as you got sufficient cooling, actually non overclocking parts also fall into the same category of bad coolers kill faster

while yes you can save a couple dollars on intel, the lack of non z390 motherboards and it sometimes even being cheaper to just get the k model makes the non k cpu sorta doa.

as for ryzen, everything overclocks on ryzen so you might as well if you do get a sufficient cooler

[klapstok]

4 minutes ago, Jumballi said:

overclocking isn't too strenuous as long as you got sufficient cooling, actually non overclocking parts also fall into the same category of bad coolers kill faster

while yes you can save a couple dollars on intel, the lack of non z390 motherboards and it sometimes even being cheaper to just get the k model makes the non k cpu sorta doa.

as for ryzen, everything overclocks on ryzen so you might as well if you do get a sufficient cooler

okay, thanks for the information. 

 

could you maybe look at this prebuild and tell me if it has the requirements? and if i should change motherboard, pcu, cooling,..

the 1TB hdd & 500gb ssd is my prefered option. 

i just think they put junk cooling systems and pcu.

 

https://www.dragoncomputers.eu/gamerPCs-vanaf-600/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-6-Core-12-threads-3.6Ghz-turbo-4.2Ghz-super-snelle-Inno3D-Nvidia-Geforce-RTX-2060-SUPER-8GB-GDDR6-grafische-kaart-256GB-SSD-16GB-DDR4-tempered-RGB?filter=115

[Beerzerker]

One good thing about the 3600 is it's a lower wattage chip making it easier to cool.

Going with a 3000 Ryzen is a good move since you can tweak RAM for higher speeds, which in turn affects performance with Ryzen. I'd get at least PC 3600 RAM for it, maybe even higher in rating but PC 3600 itself is good as long as you have a set that has good timings.

Sets based on CL16 are what to look for but there area few that's even tighter... And more expensive.

 

Make sure you have at least 16GB's worth once done, 32GB's is better and will make it more viable for a longer period of time, more RAM equals more cost yet may well be worth it.

If budget is a problem then PC 3200 sticks would be what to go for.... Or at least what gets you the amount you'd need for the system regardless of PC rating.

 

As for a board, a mid-tier at best is what to get since you won't be OC'ing it, if you have gaming in mind then the cheapest X570 would be what to look for and grab - Like this one as an example. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

 

However.....

Look any board over in terms of features you either want or need. Make sure it has everything you want or expect before pulling the trigger on a given board. 

[Jumballi]

2 minutes ago, klapstok said:

okay, thanks for the information. 

 

could you maybe look at this prebuild and tell me if it has the requirements? and if i should change motherboard, pcu, cooling,..

the 1TB hdd & 500gb ssd is my prefered option. 

i just think they put junk cooling systems and pcu.

 

https://www.dragoncomputers.eu/gamerPCs-vanaf-600/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-6-Core-12-threads-3.6Ghz-turbo-4.2Ghz-super-snelle-Inno3D-Nvidia-Geforce-RTX-2060-SUPER-8GB-GDDR6-grafische-kaart-256GB-SSD-16GB-DDR4-tempered-RGB?filter=115

it's more than powerful enough, the problem is that rdr2 has problems and rockstar won't publicly acknowledge them. just look at the timeline with problems with gtav pc launch and expect a similar timeline for 2dr2

my better recommendation is to look at any other game since rdr2 is so poorly optimized, you'll actually get a decent idea looking at those recommended specs

[klapstok]

8 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

One good thing about the 3600 is it's a lower wattage chip making it easier to cool.

Going with a 3000 Ryzen is a good move since you can tweak RAM for higher speeds, which in turn affects performance with Ryzen. I'd get at least PC 3600 RAM for it, maybe even higher in rating but PC 3600 itself is good aslong as you have a set that has good timings.

Sets based on CL16 are what to look for but there area few that's even tighter... And even more expensive.

 

As for a board, a mid-tierat best is what to get since you won't be OC'ing it, if you have gaming in mind then the cheapest X570 would be what to look for and grab - Like this one as an example. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

 

However.....

Look any board over in terms of features you either want or need. Make sure it has everything you want or expect before pulling the trigger on a given board. 

would you think that the Gigabyte B450M is sufficient for Ryzen 5 3600? ( its a cheaper one but upgrading to a X570 would cost me alot more)

[GoldenLag]

country?

18 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

As for a board, a mid-tier at best is what to get since you won't be OC'ing it, if you have gaming in mind then the cheapest X570 would be what to look for and grab - Like this one as an example. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

 

x570 is hardly neccesary. also that isnt a good x570 board to begin with, as such i dont see the reason to spend extra ons something unneccesary. 

[Beerzerker]

Just remember you get what you pay for and once you get it, it's yours.

Again, make sure whatever you choose has everything you want or need before buying. All the USB, SATA ports, m.2 slots..... Everything.

Once you see what will work and satisfy your needs go for it.

Most any board period should run a 3600 with ease anyway.

 

EDIT:

@GoldenLag
The above post was a suggestion based on if they are wanting to game and take advantage of the newer PCI lane setup.
You are right though, it's not a requirement.

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

The above post was a suggestion based on if they are wanting to game and take advantage of the newer PCI lane setup.
You are right though, it's not a requirement.

gaming especially doesnt need x570.......

 

and there was no mention of PCIe anywhere or connectivity anywhere before i addressed the comment as far as i can tell. 

16 minutes ago, klapstok said:

would you think that the Gigabyte B450M is sufficient for Ryzen 5 3600? ( its a cheaper one but upgrading to a X570 would cost me alot more)

you would be looking at the B450m AC from ASrock, or a B450 board from MSI that is labeled "Max" and that has a VRM heatsink. 

[SavageNeo]

The gigabyte b450 m is good enough for the ryzen 3600. Though MSI has some b450 boards that have "Max" in its name. That means it support thired gen ryzen without bios update. The ryzen 3600 is far better is multitaskin and workload etc than 9400f. Tho 9400f can have a little better gaming results in some games, but is some modern games it lags since it only has 6threads.

 

So 16gb of ram is enough, 32gb not worth it. It can be handy to get 32gb if hardcore renderer or 3d modeller but otherwise not worth the money. 

16gb of 3600mhz cl26 ram is the sweet spot. Like trident z neo or g.skill rippjaws would be good.

 

RTX 2060 super is a good choice, but keep in mind 5700XT is better and if its at the same price (red devil or sapphire nitro) then it is worth it.

 

[klapstok]

3 hours ago, SavageNeo said:

The gigabyte b450 m is good enough for the ryzen 3600. Though MSI has some b450 boards that have "Max" in its name. That means it support thired gen ryzen without bios update. The ryzen 3600 is far better is multitaskin and workload etc than 9400f. Tho 9400f can have a little better gaming results in some games, but is some modern games it lags since it only has 6threads.

 

So 16gb of ram is enough, 32gb not worth it. It can be handy to get 32gb if hardcore renderer or 3d modeller but otherwise not worth the money. 

16gb of 3600mhz cl26 ram is the sweet spot. Like trident z neo or g.skill rippjaws would be good.

 

RTX 2060 super is a good choice, but keep in mind 5700XT is better and if its at the same price (red devil or sapphire nitro) then it is worth it.

 

Thank you very much! 

 

I think i have everything on a list. could your review this? 

I'm not quite sure about the PCU and CPU cooler

 

AMD Ryzen 3600  3.6 Ghz

RTX 2060 Super

MSI B450M 

1TB HDD

500GB SSD

16 gb RAM (3000Mhz)

PCU: ? 700 Watt Xilence Performace C 12cm fan 82+ 

CPU cooler: ? Artic Cooling Freezer 34 CPU / Xilence CPU cooler M403  PRO / 

 

 

inspiration : https://www.dragoncomputers.eu/gamerPCs-vanaf-600/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-6-Core-12-threads-3.6Ghz-turbo-4.2Ghz-super-snelle-Inno3D-Nvidia-Geforce-RTX-2060-SUPER-8GB-GDDR6-grafische-kaart-256GB-SSD-16GB-DDR4-tempered-RGB?filter=115